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Valley Air Base
- Thread starter Helldiver
- Start date
It'll be in Gary's next pack for UK2000 VFR airfields, but it no longer looks even vaguely like it used to, so as a reception point for period Transatlantic flights, you'll be disappointed. It's home to pretty much every Hawk in the UK and three bright yellow SAR helos now. That's it.
There are some modern versions of RAF Valley kicking around the usual sites but I don't think anyone has taken it back to the war years as far as I can recall.
A lot has been added to Valley over the years so it would be a really stripped down version if anyone did it.
A lot has been added to Valley over the years so it would be a really stripped down version if anyone did it.
...actually, I backtrack on my previous statement after looking it up in Wales and West Midlands...
Apparently, apart from runway extensions, the general layout hasn't changed as much as I thought. One large hardstand has been added (comparatively recently) but other than that the layout would be fairly familiar.
I'll take a look at aerial photos at some point and see if I can pick out the old from the new. It won't be what HD wants, though, I strongly suspect, if I do anything.
Apparently, apart from runway extensions, the general layout hasn't changed as much as I thought. One large hardstand has been added (comparatively recently) but other than that the layout would be fairly familiar.
I'll take a look at aerial photos at some point and see if I can pick out the old from the new. It won't be what HD wants, though, I strongly suspect, if I do anything.
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sandar
Guest
Helldiver; One of my interests is the origin of place names in the UK. Most place names have a long and torturous gestation.
Valley, on the island of Angelsey, North Wales probably has little Welsh influence in the origin of the name.
The Welsh name for Valley is currently Y Fali, which is modern Welsh and originates from the anglicised version. Older Welsh opinion maintain the name should be Dyffryn.
Historians are of the opinion that the place name is Irish in origin. North Wales was heavily settled by Irish tribes around 450 to 550 AD. The suggestion is that the original name for Valley was the Irish
Baile, which I understand is pronounced 'Bally' and means in old Irish 'a settlement'.
Welsh language historians cannot find a Welsh word that could offer a true Welsh origin,so the Anglicised version, Valley has stuck. It has nothing at all to do with valley's.
RAF Valley is one of the busiest RAF bases in Britain. It is the fast jet training base for all UK fast jet pilots and many from other nations as well. It is not uncommon to see aircraft of all shapes and sizes from all NATO and other, countries visiting Valley.
I still have FS9 and have Garry Summons British Airports, of which there is a fairly good rendition of RAF Valley.
Valley, on the island of Angelsey, North Wales probably has little Welsh influence in the origin of the name.
The Welsh name for Valley is currently Y Fali, which is modern Welsh and originates from the anglicised version. Older Welsh opinion maintain the name should be Dyffryn.
Historians are of the opinion that the place name is Irish in origin. North Wales was heavily settled by Irish tribes around 450 to 550 AD. The suggestion is that the original name for Valley was the Irish
Baile, which I understand is pronounced 'Bally' and means in old Irish 'a settlement'.
Welsh language historians cannot find a Welsh word that could offer a true Welsh origin,so the Anglicised version, Valley has stuck. It has nothing at all to do with valley's.
RAF Valley is one of the busiest RAF bases in Britain. It is the fast jet training base for all UK fast jet pilots and many from other nations as well. It is not uncommon to see aircraft of all shapes and sizes from all NATO and other, countries visiting Valley.
I still have FS9 and have Garry Summons British Airports, of which there is a fairly good rendition of RAF Valley.
letsgetrowdy
Charter Member
ooooo... where abouts??
DaveWG
Charter Member
There's a Valley here: http://www.arm-computers.co.uk/html/fsx.html
Scroll down, it's number 23. Click the piccy to download.
Scroll down, it's number 23. Click the piccy to download.
letsgetrowdy
Charter Member
Cool, that's not for just GenX users, though?
Motormouse
SOH-CM-2025
Yes indeed, the Irish tribes (and other near neighbours) took advantage
of the end of Roman rule in Britain @ 408 to expand their own fiefdoms.
ttfn
Pete
Hi Folks
You may be able to pick out some development history detail
from RAF Valley's history page.
I hadn't been aware of Valley's '43 onwards import/export role.
HTH
ATB
Paul
You may be able to pick out some development history detail
from RAF Valley's history page.
I hadn't been aware of Valley's '43 onwards import/export role.
HTH
ATB
Paul
I've looked at a number of the sceneries from the site that Dave G suggests and none of them have been directly usable. Yes, they will display in the sim without photoscenery and with default mesh, but they have no flatten files or excludes, so surfaces vanish underground and your aprons and runways will be heavily overgrown if you use autogen.
I may do Valley better than the basic AFD update on my site right now anyway, because I want to, but while my operational airfield will be accurate to whichever period I base it on, the support structures will be generic and not accurately placed. Hence it will not meet your original spec, Helldiver.
I'm under no illusions as to the narrow scope of interest that what I knock together has.
I may do Valley better than the basic AFD update on my site right now anyway, because I want to, but while my operational airfield will be accurate to whichever period I base it on, the support structures will be generic and not accurately placed. Hence it will not meet your original spec, Helldiver.
I'm under no illusions as to the narrow scope of interest that what I knock together has.
falcon409
SOH-CM-2025
I was also looking at trying to do what Helldiver was wanting, but I found nothing in the way of visual history on that base, unlike many of the other WWII British bases that have detailed aerial maps and even closeup images of the hangar styles and barracks.
With RAF Valley, it seems the only interest is in the current base and it's mission. The original base seems to have been left to historical text only.
With RAF Valley, it seems the only interest is in the current base and it's mission. The original base seems to have been left to historical text only.
Because Valley is still active, there will be more limitations on information on it than there will be for sold off or closed RAF Stations. Unlike the U.S. Which has a rationale of providing information unless necessary, the assumption in the U.K. Is to classify first and then declassify if forced to. It can be very frustrating.
However, I do have a period layout in a book which will allow me to do the operational side. Like I said, only landside would be representative in anything I do. Airside would be as accurate as I can make it with limited sources.
However, I do have a period layout in a book which will allow me to do the operational side. Like I said, only landside would be representative in anything I do. Airside would be as accurate as I can make it with limited sources.
Hi Folks
The flatten, terrain blend, etc. are in the CVX file.
There's an autogen exclude built in to the AFD file.
Are you saying they don't work ?
(can't test myself as I've video card probs ATM).
There was also something nearby,
possibly an emergency/dispersal/decoy field,
at the location of what is now the Ty Croes / Anglesey Racing Circuit
Interested to know what it was.
HTH
ATB
Paul
Ian -
The flatten, terrain blend, etc. are in the CVX file.
There's an autogen exclude built in to the AFD file.
Are you saying they don't work ?
(can't test myself as I've video card probs ATM).
There was also something nearby,
possibly an emergency/dispersal/decoy field,
at the location of what is now the Ty Croes / Anglesey Racing Circuit
Interested to know what it was.
HTH
ATB
Paul
RAF Mona was just a few miles to the SE of RAF Valley. I believe it is now a small commercial/club airport. A buddy of mine was thinking of re-doing Mona for FSX and was in contact with the owners/operators a couple of years ago with a view to them supplying photos of buildings. They were all gung-ho and excited about the prospect of having a realistic Mona in FSX but unfortunately some RL issues cropped up that prevented him from completing the project.
Hi Folks
Bob -
Mona is to E, or ENE.
See googlemap link in my o/p to the location I'm referring to.
Possibly its Ty-Croes Anti-Aircraft Artillery Range
at the now demolished Llangwyfan Isaf village, (MoD).
Had to laugh.
I'd just dug out some early 60's O&S maps,
Valley is shown as sand dunes,
overlaid by the words Valley Airfield.
Whereas RAF Mona is shown to taxiway LOD.
ATB
Paul
Bob -
Mona is to E, or ENE.
See googlemap link in my o/p to the location I'm referring to.
Possibly its Ty-Croes Anti-Aircraft Artillery Range
at the now demolished Llangwyfan Isaf village, (MoD).
Ian -
Had to laugh.
I'd just dug out some early 60's O&S maps,
Valley is shown as sand dunes,
overlaid by the words Valley Airfield.
Whereas RAF Mona is shown to taxiway LOD.
ATB
Paul
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sandar
Guest
<TABLE class="vcard geo" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=secthdr colSpan=4></TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD rowSpan=99 noWrap></TD><TD class=adr colSpan=2>Mona, Anglesey, Wales, United Kingdom</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD></TD><TD class="fn org" colSpan=2>RAF Mona</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD noWrap>ICAO:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap>EGOQ</TD></TR><TR><TD class=secthdr colSpan=4>
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</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Type:</TD><TD class=note colSpan=2 noWrap>Airport (Aerodrome, Airfield)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Use:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap>Military</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Latitude:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap><ABBR class=latitude title=53.258619></ABBR>53°15'31"N (53.258619)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Longitude:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap><ABBR class=longitude title=-4.373550></ABBR>4°22'25"W (-4.373550)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Datum:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap>WGS 1984</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Elevation:</TD><TD colSpan=2>202 ft (62 m)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Runways:</TD><TD colSpan=2>1</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Longest:</TD><TD colSpan=2>5180 × 150 ft (1579 × 45.5 m)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Raf Mona was opened in 1915 as a RNAS airship base to patrol the North Atlantic and approaches to Liverpool.
During WWII it was as an air gunnery school operating Avro Ansons and Blackburn Bothas Nowadays Today, Mona is used for circuit practise and as an emergency relief landing field by Hawks from RAF Valley. Both a civilian flying club and 2474 (Cefni) Air Training Corps operate from Mona.
Air Traffic control at Mona is operated from Valley with about 65,000 movements a year at Valley and around 30,000 aircraft movements from Mona.
Details
</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Type:</TD><TD class=note colSpan=2 noWrap>Airport (Aerodrome, Airfield)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Use:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap>Military</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Latitude:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap><ABBR class=latitude title=53.258619></ABBR>53°15'31"N (53.258619)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Longitude:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap><ABBR class=longitude title=-4.373550></ABBR>4°22'25"W (-4.373550)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Datum:</TD><TD colSpan=2 noWrap>WGS 1984</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Elevation:</TD><TD colSpan=2>202 ft (62 m)</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Runways:</TD><TD colSpan=2>1</TD></TR><TR vAlign=top><TD>Longest:</TD><TD colSpan=2>5180 × 150 ft (1579 × 45.5 m)</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
Raf Mona was opened in 1915 as a RNAS airship base to patrol the North Atlantic and approaches to Liverpool.
During WWII it was as an air gunnery school operating Avro Ansons and Blackburn Bothas Nowadays Today, Mona is used for circuit practise and as an emergency relief landing field by Hawks from RAF Valley. Both a civilian flying club and 2474 (Cefni) Air Training Corps operate from Mona.
Air Traffic control at Mona is operated from Valley with about 65,000 movements a year at Valley and around 30,000 aircraft movements from Mona.
S
sandar
Guest
BAsys:
The Ty Croes circuit opened in 1997. It was developed from the old rallycross circuit. Rallycross still takes place here on a special section which bypasses the second half of the track. It has been completely redeveloped inot a new motor racing circuit which opened in 2007.
The original use of the site was as an army base and radar station monitoring and protecting the Irish Sea and approaches into Liverpool.
The Ty Croes circuit opened in 1997. It was developed from the old rallycross circuit. Rallycross still takes place here on a special section which bypasses the second half of the track. It has been completely redeveloped inot a new motor racing circuit which opened in 2007.
The original use of the site was as an army base and radar station monitoring and protecting the Irish Sea and approaches into Liverpool.