Western Roundup: Announcement and Discussion

MM

MM

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The Spring Event Team is delighted to bring you another of the annual series of MSFS flying events. This year, the Spring Event focuses on General Aviation during the contemporary era. Everyone is welcome to participate in this light-hearted and friendly competition. (Someone will win and receive all our congratulations – but no one really cares. The important thing is to have fun flying and mastering the challenges.)

The Spring Event typically attracts simulator pilots who participate in the forums at AVSIM, FlightSim.com, and Sim-Outhouse as well as elsewhere on the web. You can learn more about the event, and register to participate, by visiting the Sim-Outhouse Multiplayer forum here:
(http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/forumdisplay.php?6-Around-The-World-Race-Multiplayer-Events)

The Western Roundup has the following features.


  • Fly General Aviation Aircraft seventeen legs (about 10-12 hours in the air) from Seattle, through the Rocky Mountain West and Desert Southwest, and then back to San Francisco Bay.
  • Your goal is to minimize time and fuel consumption.
  • Fly whenever you like, either online or offline. Use real time weather but set the simulator clock to daylight if you wish.
  • You can use any of a large number of pre-authorized GA aircraft. (Piston-powered, not turbines.) The event parameters make aircraft of different speeds and fuel consumption more-or-less competitive, depending on the skills and strategies of the pilot.
  • Newcomers can take advantage of the Rookie Mulligans that absolve newcomers of penalties for crashes and similar "rookie" mistakes.
  • The Roundup begins on April 27 and ends on May 27, 2013. You may enter and fly at any time before the finish.

A nearly-final draft of the general setup and the essential rules, as well as clarifications and updates, can be found at the Official Rules and NOTAMS thread here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/showthread.php?77403-Western-Roundup-Official-Rules-and-NOTAMS

Or the draft (without updates) can be downloaded from a Dropbox server here:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22163895/The Western Roundup v0.90.pdf


We hope that everyone will enjoy this year's Spring Event.

The Spring Event Team
Paul Beaudoin, Jim Doner, Mike MacKuen, Willy McCoy, and Kevin Moore,
with Rob Ibey, Rob Osborne, Jeff Williams and Nick Wood.
 
Regarding approval for A/C white list:

When submitting data for consideration of A/C not currently on list where would you like the prop pitch set at when compiling test data ?
 
Hi Md,

We have always tested at fine (or low) pitch.

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Kevin
 
Missing from the list: Meyers 200D by Piglet in FSX Freeware (ruled ineligible or overlooked?)

By the numbers this normally-aspirated dream machine achieves

Sea level
160 pph
194.0 KTAS
6000
137
191.6
10000
118
189.4
18000
89
181.6

Service ceiling is probably about 21000 as it was wheezing to get to FL180 (17+minutes but only because it rockets the first 6000)
 
Hey All,

Hmmm... - heads out to the hangar... Ah Ha my Glassair III TC - quick test - about 285 kts True GS at 6000, 305 kts true GS at 10000 and 340 kts true GS at 18000. Should be competitive - ya think! And not mentioned in the rules.

On the other end I believe there is a Dynaero with a 100hp rotax which should be about 4-5 gallons an hour at 160+ kts. Hmmm... Another interesting choice. I'll have to go look for it.

Gotta get that power/consumption thing right.

-Ed-
 
Thinking about the Meyers 200, I checked in with Ms. Murphy. Pushed through the glass doors and found her staring intensely at her laptop's data display. She smiled as she looked up.

"Slim Berinsky examined the test data, took the ship up, and confirmed the application. Looks like the Meyers 200D fits into the competition nicely as a Silver Class aircraft."

I thanked her and turned to leave when she called me back.

"We should salute the pilot for the nomination. It is important to acknowledge the great history of General Aviation by recognizing these clever designs of the 1950s and 1960s. A spectacular performer for its class and a robust construction, the Meyers is a near classic. Please let the pilot know how much his nomination is appreciated."
 
On the way out, I passed the hangar and ran into Berinsky. He nodded his head and summoned me for a quick word. "M, could you tell these guys that we need a little more standardization and a bit more data?"

He jotted down a few notes on a creased yellow sheet. We would like to have

- the maximum KTAS at 6,000, 10,000 and 18,000
- the fuel flow (PPH) at 6,000, 10,000 and 18,000
- these measures should use Herve Sors' AFSD
- the throttle should be full to the firewall
- the pitch should be "fine" (as in the takeoff setting)
- the mixture should be set at "automixture" in the MSFS settings
- the weather should be the MSFS pre-set "clear skies" to emulate a standard day
- the simulator that was used for the test (FS9 or FSX)

in addition, if convenient, we could complete our records if you send along:

- the manifold pressure setting for the engine for each test
- the maximum_indicated_speed from the aircraft config file
- the critical altitude from the aircraft config file

If you are submitting more data, might you help us out? (These last bits are not required, but would help us understand the capabilities of the aircraft.)

Thanks,
-M
 
Would like to fly the Sibwings Saab Safir in the bronze class, do I need to submit data for consideration or has this aircraft been found ineligible? Might also consider the Taifun or Grumman American as candidates if the Safir is a no go.

Al
 
Al,

Any of these possibilities would be an excellent addition. They seem a bit slow to be really "competitive" but they will provide a wonderful sense of variety. And delightfully, they will give the pilot plenty of time to admire the scenery. All are great aircraft.

Please do submit the test data. While your entry will almost certainly be accepted, we want to keep intact the idea of an "approved" White List.

We would be happy to have you join the Spring Event.

--M
 
The Taifun is a great plane, it should cruise around 130-140kts. Taking its measurments ought to be interesting as the prop pitch control is manual, like that of the early Spitfires. The plane's failure modelling will 'break' the prop if RPM limits exceeded over given lenght of time.

Another thing that might be fun for a future race would be to have maybe a seperate category for the civil warbirds such as the A2A Civil P-51 and Milviz Redbull P-38.

Cheers
TJ
 
After testing have determined that my initial choices, while maybe appropriate for a touring class, do not have the goods to compete with their speedier brethren in the bronze class. So Bonanza shopping I will go.

Al
 
I noticed that Al (oldpropfan) has asked about using FSrealWXlite in the entries thread. I've also been testing this recently and getting good results; I did think earlier of asking if it could be used in the event, but I wanted to make sure I was happy with its stability on my system first (seems OK, but I want more hours to be sure). If FSrealWXlite is approved though, that would sway me towards using it and that would make two of us. Is this enough to warrant consideration?

Nick
 
To be honest, we're not familiar with the program ourselves and are trying to find out more. Where is it available from? And what versions of FS does it work with?
 
Willy said:
To be honest, we're not familiar with the program ourselves and are trying to find out more. Where is it available from? And what versions of FS does it work with?
Click to expand...

http://www.hanse-coders.net/index.php?page=self&id=1

Weather add-on for FS2002, FS2004 and FSX
It decodes METAR and upper wind data (additional weather information such as types of clouds are in preparation) and sends it to the flight simulator.


@MM

Mike... seems the past week or so FSX Wx reporting back to "normal".
 
Hey All,

Australian Simulations Glassair III TC - Clear weather - all AFSD

6000 286.1 IAS 304.8 GS 32.6 gals/hr 29.3 MP (if you want pounds/hr multiply by 6)
10000 277.9 IAS 314.3 GS 32.7 gals/hr 29.3 MP
18000 270.6 IAS 345.4 GS 32.6 gals/hr 29.1 MP
Max indicated 300
CA 18000
Documentation says Vne is 291 but overspeeds at 305

Curious that fuel/air mixture makes no difference - it is TC though - engine sound pitch changes at about 23000

Fast plane what do you think?

-Ed-
 
EasyEd said:
Hey All,

Australian Simulations Glassair III TC - Clear weather - all AFSD

6000 286.1 IAS 304.8 GS 32.6 gals/hr 29.3 MP (if you want pounds/hr multiply by 6)
10000 277.9 IAS 314.3 GS 32.7 gals/hr 29.3 MP
18000 270.6 IAS 345.4 GS 32.6 gals/hr 29.1 MP
Max indicated 300
CA 18000
Documentation says Vne is 291 but overspeeds at 305

Curious that fuel/air mixture makes no difference - it is TC though - engine sound pitch changes at about 23000

Fast plane what do you think?

-Ed-
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I am thinking this one belongs in the Platinum Class.
 
Hey All,

I suspect the Lancair Legacy is about as fast - it needs some competition. Funny how approved aircraft don't have to show their numbers so everybody has equal information in aircraft selection. Hmmm the power of assymetric information in economics or flight sim. Anyway here is the Glassair in climb attitude. :mixedsmi:

540rg-verticle2.jpg


-Ed-
 
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