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What do you retired NonComs think?

tigisfat said:
It's very interesting to ask the same military leadership question to such a diverse audience from different services, rank tiers and generations. What's most interesting is the words of some of you NCOs and Officers that never had much involvement with female service members.
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Not quite, the Israeli Armed Services were (quite some time ago I hasten add) highly integrated, mainly because of the low population IIRC.
At the time of my tour the 'Sabras' (as the female soldiers were nick named) had a reputation for exceptional efficiency during duty hours allied to their devotion toward living life in the fast lane off duty.
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One of my best postings ...................EVER!!!!
 
strykerpsg said:
Without having seen the situation, would disagree with the public beratement, regardless of gender. I have just at twenty years of being a infantryman and would have pulled her away from the subordinates, but probably within sight of them and talked to her one on one. I don't think our military has degraded to the point of needing witnesses, but more acute situational awareness and professionalism. That male E7 has now undermined that Navy females credibility to her subordinates, regardless of the situation. A better professional would have just asked her to speak alone, at least out of ear shot and made the corrections needed to continue the mission. Just my opinion, many will disagree.

Matt
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Was just cruising the thread and tho I side with the E7 THIS comment demands a reply...

...Don't you think the PS1 undermined her own credibility by 'mouthing off' to a superior ranking NCO as well as undermined the E7's authority ? This has a substantial effect on unit cohesion and I feel the E7 was justified in the way he proceeded simply to demonstrate 'who'se in charge'.

...luckily I was never of any rank to be dressing down anyone, but if I'd been subordinate like that I'd expect to be immediately corrected, not pulled aside for a lecture.
 
I'm a retired Air Force E-7, and you were right to pull him to the side. Yes he was right to stop it, but he should have kept it real short and sweet. He should have asked for her (or their) supervisor (if she had one), and met them later in a more secluded, if not private setting, along with his "witness". You should always meet with the person's supervisor when you need to address something like this, especially if they are of a different service. Believe me, been there and done that. There's a time and place for everything, and he could have handled it differently, but it appears that his "E-7" mindset got the better of him.
 
thunderchief452 said:
I'm a retired Air Force E-7, ..... and he could have handled it differently, but it appears that his "E-7" mindset got the better of him.
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Well now,

you gotta remember that it may have taken you 10-20 years to make master in the USAF, but in the army you can easily make E-7 after six months time in service. If you're a real mover and shaker, you can pin on E-9 at your one year mark.:icon_lol: (being sarcastic, of course, I know you Army guys work for your rank like everyone else)
 
MaddogK said:
Was just cruising the thread and tho I side with the E7 THIS comment demands a reply...

...Don't you think the PS1 undermined her own credibility by 'mouthing off' to a superior ranking NCO as well as undermined the E7's authority ? This has a substantial effect on unit cohesion and I feel the E7 was justified in the way he proceeded simply to demonstrate 'who'se in charge'.

...luckily I was never of any rank to be dressing down anyone, but if I'd been subordinate like that I'd expect to be immediately corrected, not pulled aside for a lecture.
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I agree the PS1 probably did more harm to her authority and reputation than anything else, however, the mission must continue and would do any good to anyone to undermine her situation further by public berating. I am by no means opposed to chastising at large for something unattributable to any one individual, but each situation varies. My main point was that most women will not want to be treated differently because of gender, but the same as their peers. Secondly, I also whole heartedly endorse the other person's chain of command knowing what's going on if it warrants.

I also agree an immediate correction is called for, what I vehemently disagree with is the fact that it was done openly to mitigate embarassment to the counselor or fear of being accused of something outside the scope of the counselling.

Doesn't matter if there is ever an agreement or not, that's why there are different forms of leadership, some good, some bad. I do agree with most of your statement just do not think there is one version to fit all situations.

Matt
 
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