What in the heck is a " DFW.c.v."-- Just shot down one!

[CW3SF]

What in the heck is a " DFW.c.v."-- Just shot down one!

In a furball I got a Pfalz D111a and a DFW.c.v. and after landing went through the claim form process. In the list of planes I found the "Pfalz D111a" of course but could not find the "DFW.c.v." so I typed that in the aircraft type slot and was quickly told "all will be rejected" if I send it.

Removing the DFW.c.v. made it just fine.

But somehwere over the fields of combat lies a flaming weck that I planted known as a DFW.c.v. ----- WHAT GIVES !!!!!!

We need a "gun camera".

THANKS for your work

CW3SF

 

[Polovski]

Hi CW3SF, don't manually type the list of aircraft slot, only use the pull down selection.
It will vary the choices some, if you do not see the craft then don't panic - use the generic choices shown "single seater" or "2 seater" or whatever other generic choice you get given etc. You can put DFW in the description.

 

[before]

We need a "gun camera".

Guynemer used to take pictures of his defeated opponents.

Here's probably (almost certainly) Guynemer's claim number 78, the first one of 6 July 1917. He claimed a single-seater Albatros, north of Craonne (behind German lines) at 16h45. Unfortunately, this victory was then recorded as probable. I can't say if his camera really helped him... He's got confirmation for only 53 victories over -at least- 87 claims; but French confirmation procedure was drastic to say the least.

This picture was taken at 15 meters from the Albatros scout.

 

[paarma]

Wow! I have never seen this picture before. Interesting is to research the markings of th albatros in this picture. Looks like it is dv or dva version meaby lozenge wings and interesting white band in the fuselage...

Guynemer used to take pictures of his defeated opponents.

Here's probably (almost certainly) Guynemer's claim number 78, the first one of 6 July 1917. He claimed a single-seater Albatros, north of Craonne (behind German lines) at 16h45. Unfortunately, this victory was then recorded as probable. I can't say if his camera really helped him... He's got confirmation for only 53 victories over -at least- 87 claims; but French confirmation procedure was drastic to say the least.

This picture was taken at 15 meters from the Albatros scout.

 

[before]

Well, Jasta 32 was operating in this sector and has probably got at least one scratch with GC12 in this particular day.

Obtln Schmidt claimed a SPAD at noon over Guyencourt which is about 10 and a half km south from the old village of Craonne. This scout was possibly Sgt Lecomte of SPA103 who has a forced landing after a fierce fight.


Anyway, as far as I know, here were the nearest Jastas:

• 1 located at Vivaise, 25km northwest of Craonne
• 13 located at Boncourt, 21km northeast of Craonne
• 14 located at Marchais, 15km north of Craonne
• 15 located at Boncourt, 21km northeast of Craonne
• 19 located at St-Loup-en-Champagne, 30km east of Craonne

 

[Bullethead]

I can't say if his camera really helped him... He's got confirmation for only 53 victories over -at least- 87 claims; but French confirmation procedure was drastic to say the least.

Cool pic, but if this was all I had to go on, I'd be dubious, too. If the camera was aligned with the the guns and only clicked when the guns fired, then this pic just shows that he missed. He was shooting well behind the target here.

 

[before]

Well, I dunno exactly how the camera worked (I've read it somewhere ages ago; I can find that again); but pictures were taken after the fights. Some show only a plane going down like this one, but others show a burning plane going down making the evidence much more significant.

Anyway, french confirmation procedure was strict (3 independant witnesses -squadron mates disqualified- :friday:, location, time, aircraft type and victory type -flamed, shot to pieces or crashed-) and I really don't know if pictures were cared by authorities. All claims were officials, but divided into 2 categories: Confirmed (added to "les communiqués d'armées"; i.e. official publications) and Probables (could be reported in military citations; for instance, last citation of Fonck indicates 75 confirmed plus 69 probables behind enemy lines).

 

[Mk2]

Guynemer used to take pictures of his defeated opponents.

Here's probably (almost certainly) Guynemer's claim number 78, the first one of 6 July 1917. He claimed a single-seater Albatros, north of Craonne (behind German lines) at 16h45. Unfortunately, this victory was then recorded as probable. I can't say if his camera really helped him... He's got confirmation for only 53 victories over -at least- 87 claims; but French confirmation procedure was drastic to say the least.

This picture was taken at 15 meters from the Albatros scout.

That picture is autographed by him (the light signature above the bold one on the bottom) , I can tell because I own an autograph post card of Guynemer's...is that your piece?