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Why and how?
- Thread starter misson
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Don't know too much about how bombs work but here is what I do know.
Open a bomb DP in notepad\wordpad and you will see this in the files.
[GUNSTATIONS]gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,1d1*11000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,17637
11000 is the damage done to the object with direct hit. 17637 is weight in ounces of the bomb.
Open a bomb DP in notepad\wordpad and you will see this in the files.
[GUNSTATIONS]gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,1d1*11000,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,17637
11000 is the damage done to the object with direct hit. 17637 is weight in ounces of the bomb.
misson
Charter Member
Thank u Allen for your reply.
I´ve tryed that, but seems the modified dp file does not reload, thats why i have not a new cdp file generated, think so..
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
Delete the cdp file for that bomb after you have updated the DP file of the "bomb". CFS2 will make a new cdp file when you start the game. There are other things to think about when trying to change a weapons DP. Just changing the damage won't change how it looks after it hits the ground. Well I take that back it does change the damage area. Thats the shock wave you see after it explodes.
You have to change the effects to realy change the look. If you realy want to learn about modifing weapons and effects then i suggest looking at this site.
http://web.tiscali.it/Nanni/CFS/
And
http://web.tiscali.it/Nanni/CFS/
Jaxon gets into some on his site.
http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Tips.html
http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Downloads_Effects.html
plus in the DPED there is a help file called "How to" that explains what everything does in a DP. not everything is needed with Weapons or other none aircraft DPs.
Check that out and see if there is anything you like.
Till later,
John
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
they will be in the object_dp folder. if you use that weapon it will create a new cdp. if you renamed the DP then you wont see the weapon ingame. change the name of the original DP, i add a 1 or letter after then name, then have your new DP use the old name. does that make sense?
see if that works.
see if that works.
misson
Charter Member
I think the same! perhaps i have some trouble with my cfs2 .
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
pass them to me and i'll give them a go. it has to be something simple.
right now i'm trying to get my WWI bombs to work. they are fighting me all the way. i've forgotten a few steps. thats what happens when you take breaks from the game.
so if the names are the same... are you using the right name in the aircraft DP?
and is the aircraft DP correct. check for errors in there. look for typos and numbering mistakes.
when you select your aircraft are they showing up?
take a look at that.
right now i'm trying to get my WWI bombs to work. they are fighting me all the way. i've forgotten a few steps. thats what happens when you take breaks from the game.
so if the names are the same... are you using the right name in the aircraft DP?
and is the aircraft DP correct. check for errors in there. look for typos and numbering mistakes.
when you select your aircraft are they showing up?
take a look at that.
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
Oops...
Hey misson. i might be mistaken as to the cdp. after messing with my bombs i dont have a cdp with them. so they might not have them. i'll let you know as i go ahead.
Hey misson. i might be mistaken as to the cdp. after messing with my bombs i dont have a cdp with them. so they might not have them. i'll let you know as i go ahead.
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
Weapons don't generate CDP's, only inf objects do that...
CFS2 Bomb Programming
Regarding bombs, this is a copied SOH posted tutorial some years back from my CFS2 Notes file, don't really know who the author was. All you need to know about CFS2 bombs:
=================================================================================================================
CFS2 bomb programming
One thing to remember when working with bombs in CFS2;
CFS2 creates bomb damage in two very different ways.
1. If the bomb strikes the targets DP Boxes the hit point number in the Bombs DP is applied to the target.
In case 1 the damage value in the bombs DP Gunstation section is used.
A 1000lb bomb looks like this:
([GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,1d1*10000,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,16000
It delivers 10000 Hit Points to the directly to the DP of the object it hits. Pretty simple and straight forward so far. If the bomb/rocket makes a direct hit, it acts just like a bullet as far as the target DP is concerned.
2. If the bomb strikes the ground next to the target, CFS2 uses 3 different FX's depending on the weapon_type in the bombs DP.
This is where things get messy.
First off, there are 4 different “weapon_type”s that cover all of the different bombs.
Type 1 is the lightest, like the 30 & 60kg and 250Lb’ers.
Type 2 covers the 250kg and 500lb bombs.
Type 3 is for the 1000lb bomb and Type 4 is used by the 800kg and 2000lb bombs.
Now that that’s clear, let’s make mud.
When a bomb strikes the ground in CFS2 the program selects one of 3, yes 3 and not 4 FX to trigger. You’d think there would be 4 FX since there are 4 different weapons types, right?
Nope. Here’s how things work out.
The 3 Effects are the fx_gndexpl_s, m & l:
Type 1 bombs use the “s” FX:
Type 2 uses the “m” FX:
and Types 3 & 4 both use the “l” FX.
Doing DP weapon work and trying to figure out the numbers. I searched around for a listing but could not find it. I thought it would be good to have a list/guide for easy checks and weapon functions.
I thank Pen32 and Talos2005 for some of the info. I did research also.
Basically no matter what you want to call your weapon or what ever you make it look like it will always do/follow what the number represents.
Lets try to add on to the list. Addition/Removal of data and corrections welcome! Stay on topic.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
All weapons are
unit family=4
category=37
[Weapon Types:]
1=Bomb (small) 30lb, 100lb, 250lb, 30kg, 60kg
2=Bomb (medium) 500lb, 250kg
3=Bomb (large) 1000lb, 500kg, 800kg
4=Bomb (very large) 2,000lb. 1000 kg
5=Rocket
6=Rocket air to air
7=Rocket
8=Rocket (timed) - 8 seconds
9=Torpedo - MK13, seems to be for lighter torpedoes
10= Torpedo - MK13, seems to be for lighter torpedoes
11=Torpedo - Type91, seems to be for heavier torpedoes
12= Torpedo - Type91, seems to be for heavier torpedoes
13=bullet
14=drop Tank 1000 lbs
15=Drop Tank - Jap 330litre, Jap 200litre, corsair/hellcat/lightning tanks, most picked
16=Drop Tank (200gal)
17=Drop Tank (150gal18= drop Tank 1000 lbs
18= drop Tank 1000 lbs
19= drop Tank 1000 lbs
20=Pylon - Pylons, Pods, Parts: Used for rocket pods, ordinance mounts, pylons and SID pilot
==========================================
They also use...
max_weight=
========================================
All you need to do is alter the weight in the .dp (OBJECTS_DP)
Example: wep_us_2000lb_gp.dp (stock CFS2 item)
[BOXES]
box.0=%box_name.0%,-1.26,-0.08,-2.74,1.26,5.76,2.74
[SYSTEMS]
system.0=%system_name.0%,2000,21
[BOXMAPS.0]
; Box = bomb_0
boxmap.0=100,21
[EFFECTS.0]
; System = bomb
effect.0=10,LIBRARY,fx_fuelleak_s,
effect.1=30,LIBRARY,fx_oilleak_m,
effect.2=50,LIBRARY,fx_fuelleak_m,
effect.3=95,LIBRARY,fx_airexpl_l,
effect.4=100,BOMB,,
[GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,1d1*20000,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,32000
[guns.0]
gun.0=1,0,0,0,0,0,0
[MISC_DATA]
unit_family=4
category=37
max_weight=909 (this appears to be in Kg.) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
weapon_type=4
[STRINGS]
"box_name.0"=bomb_0
"system_name.0"=Bomb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Changing the weight to "9" would allow you to sling a pair of these 2000lb monsters onto the O-1F Birddog (Cessna) & take off with no trouble at all.
The plane will perform as though it had a 9KG bomb under each wing.
Found this out when I slung a torpedo under a Zero just for fun. (flight performance suffered badly until the torp. weight was changed)
================================
...all of the system parts with the higher numbers are the ones to focus on. Anything with mid to high five figures is sure to profoundly harden a target and delay its destruction. By reducing these higher values by 75% or whatever you think is appropriate, you will essentially achieve the same effect as pre-damaging in MB, but without having to contend with MB's temperament. Plus, as i said before, the item's strength is permanently reduced for any application in new missions or as substitutions in existing missions.
Another correlating factor that plays into this is the damage dice of your weapons used against the target. Every bomb, torpedo and rocket dp has a damage dice imbedded into its gunstation that determines how many hitpoints it will deliver against the lifepoints of the individual systems in a target. For example, this highlighted red portion is the standard dice for all of my 1000lb bombs, regardless of the sources:
[GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,>>> 7d7*40000 <<<,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42000
The MS stock standard for this sized weapon is:
[GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,>>> 1d1*10000 <<<,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,16000
First, 10000 hitpoints is not my idea of a 1000lb high explosive weapon in CFS2. Secondly, the parameter of 7d7* builds a random effectiveness factor into the detonation, as opposed to the straightforward predictability of using 1d1* parameter. A 1d1* setup will always detonate with the same range, magnitude and collateral effect. A 7d7* setup will surprise you with random results; one hard target will take two direct hits to destroy and another just one; a set of "hard" hangars will take collateral damage from a near miss and burn in one case, while another similar near miss does nothing but produce smoke and dust....i like that idea.
--------------------------------------------------------
....Did you do a similar change for the 500 lb and smaller weapons to include rockets?...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep....none of my weapon dices are stock. Even my add-on weaps are changed likewise. And in making these types of mods, i pretty much used the 7d7* param in all weaps no matter the type in order to keep the randomness factor involved. But the numerical hit points i did vary depending on the size and type. I won't bother to post any more examples on other types here because i think any reader can now understand the relational methodology and make these mods according to their own preferences. Its your thing, do whatcha wanna do...
Regarding bombs, this is a copied SOH posted tutorial some years back from my CFS2 Notes file, don't really know who the author was. All you need to know about CFS2 bombs:
=================================================================================================================
CFS2 bomb programming
One thing to remember when working with bombs in CFS2;
CFS2 creates bomb damage in two very different ways.
1. If the bomb strikes the targets DP Boxes the hit point number in the Bombs DP is applied to the target.
In case 1 the damage value in the bombs DP Gunstation section is used.
A 1000lb bomb looks like this:
([GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,1d1*10000,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,16000
It delivers 10000 Hit Points to the directly to the DP of the object it hits. Pretty simple and straight forward so far. If the bomb/rocket makes a direct hit, it acts just like a bullet as far as the target DP is concerned.
2. If the bomb strikes the ground next to the target, CFS2 uses 3 different FX's depending on the weapon_type in the bombs DP.
This is where things get messy.
First off, there are 4 different “weapon_type”s that cover all of the different bombs.
Type 1 is the lightest, like the 30 & 60kg and 250Lb’ers.
Type 2 covers the 250kg and 500lb bombs.
Type 3 is for the 1000lb bomb and Type 4 is used by the 800kg and 2000lb bombs.
Now that that’s clear, let’s make mud.
When a bomb strikes the ground in CFS2 the program selects one of 3, yes 3 and not 4 FX to trigger. You’d think there would be 4 FX since there are 4 different weapons types, right?
Nope. Here’s how things work out.
The 3 Effects are the fx_gndexpl_s, m & l:
Type 1 bombs use the “s” FX:
Type 2 uses the “m” FX:
and Types 3 & 4 both use the “l” FX.
Doing DP weapon work and trying to figure out the numbers. I searched around for a listing but could not find it. I thought it would be good to have a list/guide for easy checks and weapon functions.
I thank Pen32 and Talos2005 for some of the info. I did research also.
Basically no matter what you want to call your weapon or what ever you make it look like it will always do/follow what the number represents.
Lets try to add on to the list. Addition/Removal of data and corrections welcome! Stay on topic.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
All weapons are
unit family=4
category=37
[Weapon Types:]
1=Bomb (small) 30lb, 100lb, 250lb, 30kg, 60kg
2=Bomb (medium) 500lb, 250kg
3=Bomb (large) 1000lb, 500kg, 800kg
4=Bomb (very large) 2,000lb. 1000 kg
5=Rocket
6=Rocket air to air
7=Rocket
8=Rocket (timed) - 8 seconds
9=Torpedo - MK13, seems to be for lighter torpedoes
10= Torpedo - MK13, seems to be for lighter torpedoes
11=Torpedo - Type91, seems to be for heavier torpedoes
12= Torpedo - Type91, seems to be for heavier torpedoes
13=bullet
14=drop Tank 1000 lbs
15=Drop Tank - Jap 330litre, Jap 200litre, corsair/hellcat/lightning tanks, most picked
16=Drop Tank (200gal)
17=Drop Tank (150gal18= drop Tank 1000 lbs
18= drop Tank 1000 lbs
19= drop Tank 1000 lbs
20=Pylon - Pylons, Pods, Parts: Used for rocket pods, ordinance mounts, pylons and SID pilot
==========================================
They also use...
max_weight=
========================================
All you need to do is alter the weight in the .dp (OBJECTS_DP)
Example: wep_us_2000lb_gp.dp (stock CFS2 item)
[BOXES]
box.0=%box_name.0%,-1.26,-0.08,-2.74,1.26,5.76,2.74
[SYSTEMS]
system.0=%system_name.0%,2000,21
[BOXMAPS.0]
; Box = bomb_0
boxmap.0=100,21
[EFFECTS.0]
; System = bomb
effect.0=10,LIBRARY,fx_fuelleak_s,
effect.1=30,LIBRARY,fx_oilleak_m,
effect.2=50,LIBRARY,fx_fuelleak_m,
effect.3=95,LIBRARY,fx_airexpl_l,
effect.4=100,BOMB,,
[GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,1d1*20000,0,0 ,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,32000
[guns.0]
gun.0=1,0,0,0,0,0,0
[MISC_DATA]
unit_family=4
category=37
max_weight=909 (this appears to be in Kg.) <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
weapon_type=4
[STRINGS]
"box_name.0"=bomb_0
"system_name.0"=Bomb
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Changing the weight to "9" would allow you to sling a pair of these 2000lb monsters onto the O-1F Birddog (Cessna) & take off with no trouble at all.
The plane will perform as though it had a 9KG bomb under each wing.
Found this out when I slung a torpedo under a Zero just for fun. (flight performance suffered badly until the torp. weight was changed)
================================
...all of the system parts with the higher numbers are the ones to focus on. Anything with mid to high five figures is sure to profoundly harden a target and delay its destruction. By reducing these higher values by 75% or whatever you think is appropriate, you will essentially achieve the same effect as pre-damaging in MB, but without having to contend with MB's temperament. Plus, as i said before, the item's strength is permanently reduced for any application in new missions or as substitutions in existing missions.
Another correlating factor that plays into this is the damage dice of your weapons used against the target. Every bomb, torpedo and rocket dp has a damage dice imbedded into its gunstation that determines how many hitpoints it will deliver against the lifepoints of the individual systems in a target. For example, this highlighted red portion is the standard dice for all of my 1000lb bombs, regardless of the sources:
[GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,>>> 7d7*40000 <<<,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,42000
The MS stock standard for this sized weapon is:
[GUNSTATIONS]
gunstation.0=3,21,8,0.00,0,0,0,0,0,0,>>> 1d1*10000 <<<,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,16000
First, 10000 hitpoints is not my idea of a 1000lb high explosive weapon in CFS2. Secondly, the parameter of 7d7* builds a random effectiveness factor into the detonation, as opposed to the straightforward predictability of using 1d1* parameter. A 1d1* setup will always detonate with the same range, magnitude and collateral effect. A 7d7* setup will surprise you with random results; one hard target will take two direct hits to destroy and another just one; a set of "hard" hangars will take collateral damage from a near miss and burn in one case, while another similar near miss does nothing but produce smoke and dust....i like that idea.
--------------------------------------------------------
....Did you do a similar change for the 500 lb and smaller weapons to include rockets?...
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep....none of my weapon dices are stock. Even my add-on weaps are changed likewise. And in making these types of mods, i pretty much used the 7d7* param in all weaps no matter the type in order to keep the randomness factor involved. But the numerical hit points i did vary depending on the size and type. I won't bother to post any more examples on other types here because i think any reader can now understand the relational methodology and make these mods according to their own preferences. Its your thing, do whatcha wanna do...
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
Allen,
You don't see all of them with the DP editor as its ment for aircraft.
You don't see all of them with the DP editor as its ment for aircraft.
Hi Allen,
Did you see the text line above the category numbers list?
"Lets try to add on to the list. Addition/Removal of data and corrections welcome! Stay on topic."
If you have done some experiments and can tell us what you learned, why not share it with us instead of throwing out WTFs and general statements that they don't work like that? I know I would appreciate learning something from you and I imagine the rest of the crew would as well.
How did numbers 6 and 13 work when you tested them? Was there zero difference between 5, 6, and 7? There are 4 different numbers for different bomb sizes. Does number 13 correspond with one of those or is it something different?
Thanks in advance.
Did you see the text line above the category numbers list?
"Lets try to add on to the list. Addition/Removal of data and corrections welcome! Stay on topic."
If you have done some experiments and can tell us what you learned, why not share it with us instead of throwing out WTFs and general statements that they don't work like that? I know I would appreciate learning something from you and I imagine the rest of the crew would as well.
How did numbers 6 and 13 work when you tested them? Was there zero difference between 5, 6, and 7? There are 4 different numbers for different bomb sizes. Does number 13 correspond with one of those or is it something different?
Thanks in advance.
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
I have seen the air to air rockets used but i don't think they function any differently then normal rockets. I'll test it out and report back. I'm not able to find the weapons that used it at the moment so i'll make one.
I dont think i've seen the 13=bullet used at all.
DPs are the simplest files to read but the most misunderstood. I've learn how an aircrafts DP is used for controling the AIs in MB and ingame. so i'm sure there is a relation to that with the weapon and obj DPs. that may be why we don't see a change. if the AI uses them there might be. the 6= could be to tell the AI to use the rockets air to air. now thats a thought i think i'll test.
till later.
John
I dont think i've seen the 13=bullet used at all.
DPs are the simplest files to read but the most misunderstood. I've learn how an aircrafts DP is used for controling the AIs in MB and ingame. so i'm sure there is a relation to that with the weapon and obj DPs. that may be why we don't see a change. if the AI uses them there might be. the 6= could be to tell the AI to use the rockets air to air. now thats a thought i think i'll test.
till later.
John
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
6 does infact make a difference. they will fly in the air longer and straiter. I have not tested then with the AI. For that I will have to make a mission. I'll post both types with screen shots so we can see the difference. I'm not even sure what to do with the bullet. maybe leave it for another day.
Hi Bub,
Yeah that's the weapon type number 8. The Daedelus Fw190A-8 included weapons package has WGr. 21cm rockets that use that type code, and they do explode after 8 seconds. Great for hitting tightly packed B17 formations if you can time it right.
Yeah that's the weapon type number 8. The Daedelus Fw190A-8 included weapons package has WGr. 21cm rockets that use that type code, and they do explode after 8 seconds. Great for hitting tightly packed B17 formations if you can time it right.