Windows 8 and flightsim

vmx12

Charter Member
I sincerely hope I'm not asking a question that's been exhausted before, but reading my latest issue of PC World and its news about Microsoft allowing a limited-time $40 upgrade to Windows 8 has me excited but worried, too.

Will it be compatible with FS9 or FSX? Assuming Windows 8 will be better (I hate assumptions!!!), I don't want to limit my productivity by not upgrading - just because of a game.:icon_eek:

Darrin
 
Hi,

It remains to be seen whether Windows 8 is really an improvement or a "lemon" like WinMe. Given that MS appears to want to create an OS that works for both tablets (with a touch screen) and traditional PCs (with keyboard & mouse) its a bit of a gamble, and from what reviews I read the system is much more suited to the tablet format (using big App buttons like on an iPhone or iPad.)

My personal view is that this is likely to be extremely frustrating for the traditional PC owner, and failing PC issues not withstanding, one of the reasons I recently replaced my PC was to get Win7 rather than Win8 as the OS. Given that FS2004 and FSX are designed around a keyboard/mouse interface, Win8 is likely to cause headaches even if it isn't actually incompatible.

As always, once Win 8 has actually been released and users can see for themselves we will no doubt get a better idea about what existing computer users think.

Alastair
 
Before you jump on the latest OS from M$, ask yourself the following question:

"What can I do in Windows 7 that I couldn't do in Windows 98?"

Maybe FS9 won't run in W98, but I'm not sure. If it won't, then ask, "What can I do in W7 that I couldn't do in WinXP?"

By the time I asked myself that question I had already bought a new computer with W7. Compared to XP, I found W7 less stable and it won't run some software that I used regularly. The new software that I had to buy to replace what wouldn't work in W7 is clunkier, more complicated, less user-friendly, and doesn't do anything, or at least anything that I want to do, better than what it replaced. I would've been much better off if I'd had my new confuter built with XP as the OS.

Then ask yourself a second question: "What do I expect to be able to do in W8 that I can't do in W7?"

Unless you have a good answer to that one, keep your forty bucks until you find something worthwhile to spend it on.
 
I have one computer still clunking away with XP. The major disadvantage is the approx three and a half gig limit on RAM.

Unless your certification at a high level of geekitude is a consideration, being an early adopter of whatever generates more heat than light.

T
 
I'll confess to getting Windows 7 as soon as the release candidate was available, but I'm sticking with it: it was for a nearly new rig and that rig is now as old as Windows 7 plus 6 months. I long ago learned the way to keep your rig running quickly is to never upgrade your software, so I'm still on Office 2003, Photoshop CS2, FSX, CFS3 etc (the other way is to stuff the M/B with as much memory as it can take). I only had one program (3ds Max 7) which wouldn't run in Windows 7 and had to be upgraded, but all my other legacy software is as happy as the day is long.

I've heard from one user that FSX will run on Windows 8 - without setting DX10 mode - but I'd like to hear from others whether Windows 8 will run FS9, CFS2/3 etc which all need DirectX 9.

As far as geekitude certification level goes, I rank rather below an anorak.
 
A friend of mine, who owns only FSX and is not what I call an avid sim pilot I should add, has tried W8 on a spare PC and it works. No issues with install or use or adding aircraft that he could see.

That said I firmly believe that all OS changes by MS are cursed by the two step syndrome. 95 good. 98 bad. XP good Vista bad. W7 good .... W8 bad??

So I personally see no reason to jump to W8 since there is unlikely anything groundbreaking new in that OS as far as FS is concerned.
I have the luxury of a dedicated FS PC. Nothing goes on that which is not required by FS. Other applications I may want or need are running on one of two other PCs or the laptop.

Cheers
Stefan
 
A friend of mine, who owns only FSX and is not what I call an avid sim pilot I should add, has tried W8 on a spare PC and it works. No issues with install or use or adding aircraft that he could see.

That said I firmly believe that all OS changes by MS are cursed by the two step syndrome. 95 good. 98 bad. XP good Vista bad. W7 good .... W8 bad??

So I personally see no reason to jump to W8 since there is unlikely anything groundbreaking new in that OS as far as FS is concerned.
I have the luxury of a dedicated FS PC. Nothing goes on that which is not required by FS. Other applications I may want or need are running on one of two other PCs or the laptop.

Cheers
Stefan

Don't forget Windows ME... that one didn't fare too well either. A "Non DOS" operating system is a strange concept anyhow. It is just my opinion... nothing else.:salute:

As a general rule, I usually wait a year after the initial release of something before I jump on the bandwagon, such as the release of IE9 to replace IE8... Win7 to replace WinXP... etc. I run Win7 on both my PC's, it works magnificently on both machines and at this point, Win8 is going to have to be able to do the dishes and clean out the cat box (figuratively speaking), before I consider replacing Win7. If something ain't broke, don't fix it!

BB686:USA-flag:
 
"I have one computer still clunking away with XP. The major disadvantage is the approx three and a half gig limit on RAM." - fliger747

We have 4 PCs running XP and a laptop which came with Win7. I agree with Fliger; other than the RAM limit, I am happy with XP. Plus, it's on a C-D :icon_lol:


"If something ain't broke, don't fix it!" - BB686:USA-flag:

Microsoft should have listened to BB and stopped at XP. :stop: Every time I use the laptop I utter a few choice words directed at MS. Other than different names for similar functions and new menus to memorize, I have not found anything in Win7 that is necessary vis a vis XP. But then again, we wouldn't be stimulating the economy, would we? :a1451: :icon_lol:

- H52
 
I can think of one very cool thing about running FS on a touch-screen system, and that's the ability to press buttons and flip switches with my finger instead of having to use the mouse. But I could do that with W7 (and maybe even XP) if I could afford a good touch-screen monitor...
 
Back in the days of wood-burning, steam-driven confuters, when I was a little baby kid (that would be the 1950s) the automobile manufacturers practiced a marketing strategy called "Planned Obsolescence." Every three years they would move to a new chassis and body whether or not there were any actual improvements over what went before. The idea, of course, was to make people feel like they were driving old, obsolescent cars, so they'd want to buy new ones. If you were able to live with the social stigma that went with driving an older car, you'd find it difficult to keep your four year old car running because you couldn't get parts for it.

The solution was that Congress passed a law that says if you sell a car in the US, you're required to provide parts and support for ten years. The auto industry complied, but they continued to make unnecessary cosmetic changes to their cars every few years. The driving public responded by buying European and Japanese cars in massive numbers, happily driving imported cars that never seemed to look old while driving Detroit to the brink of ruin.

I would love to see Micro$oft treated the same way, but it's not likely to happen. Today the Congress is owned lock, stock and barrel by big business (like M$) and will roll over for any big firm's whining that any proposed law will "stifle innovation."
 
LOL I love a good political debate as much as the next guy (or more) but I'll stick to the technical matters here since this is a FS forum :D
The 3-4 year cycle on automobiles is not that different in Europe or Japan and at least in Germany you have the added help from the federal government that mandates higher safety standards than almost anywhere else combined with bi-annual inspections that can in fact render a car inoperable.

Best example for this was the classic VW Beetle...not this new fangled monstrosity .the original one. It had a weak point in the front suspension attachments after prolonged exposure to salt and the wet elements. For many years there was a repair piece sold by VW to be welded in when the original was found to be bad. VW replaced the Beetle with the Golf or Rabbit but folks just kept fixing their beloved Bugs and the new car had only lackluster success. So VW told the TUV, the technical inspection authority, that this repair was no longer deemed safe since the repair kit by now was also manufactured by other people. Suddenly even an otherwise healthy bug had to be driven to the junk yard if that front suspension piece was found rusted....as there now was no authorized repair for the problem.
Golf sales went up and Beetles became a rare sight on German streets...after being the dominant car for a few decades. Fast forward another few years and the Golf is now the #1 selling car and VW decides that keeping its iconic Beetle alive is not such a bad idea after all and the same repair is once again approved by the manufacturer.

However I don't think the US auto industry went into the toilet because they changed styles every three years or so...I think that had a lot more to do with a severe lack of technical advance that went beyond chrome-do-hickies and power-this and power-that. Not to mention an average build quality that was shoddy at best. When the 70s fuel crisis "surprised" the world of motoring they had absolutely nothing that could compete with Germany and Japan. The imports had better handling, brakes, quality and they delivered all of that with double the mpgs.

Some would argue that once again the US giants missed the boat in the more recent history related to fuel management. Maybe thinking that "drill-baby-drill" actually works and gas prices will not be a determining factor for car buyers as much as 20-way power adjustable seat ( I adjusted mine exactly once....since nobody else gets to drive my cars ) or power lift gates and doors, all pulled around by in-effective huge displacement engines. 230 Hp from a 5 liter plus V8 is just laughable. VW got that much power out of a 2 liter inline 4 weighing about a third.

Of course the consumer is at least partially to blame in all of this. If they can sell that mess, be it Win ME or the ancient technology V8, they will keep building it. Re-packaged on occasion to get a new shine on it. If the consumer asks for a specific product often and strongly enough AND there is an alternative even the big boys react.

In the world of OS we are however pretty limited. We can of course switch to Apple or Linux. But we'd then have to deal with some sort of portal software to be able to run our sim as we know it. Or at least with Apple switch to a sim that was designed for the OS.

With the OS as with cars I evaluate based on my own needs and desires. If there is something I really like and getting it will not break the bank I'll give it a try. Sometimes that turns out to be a poor choice, but most times I find I get what I want. Of course all that evaluating does take a bit of time, so I am usually not the first one to buy anything ;)

Cheers
Stefan
 
My Dell XPS laptop runs 32-bit VISTA, my Falcon Northwest gaming rig runs 64-bit VISTA, and my 10 year old internet Falcon NW PC runs XP. They all run anything that I throw at them, provided
the processors in each are capable. I must've been one of the few people that liked Windows ME....never had a problem with it and it ran every game/sim I loaded. I tend not to upgrade the
OS until I buy a new PC, so I may not be the best source. Upgrading an old PC with a new OS has always made me uneasy. I'd rather start fresh from the ground up, so to speak.
 
My OS experience goes back to the early days of DOS, Windows 3.1, Windows XP and now Windows 7.0.

My nine year old Dell runs Windows XP, and the wife's laptop runs Windows 7. Before I retired my agency migrated to Windows 7.0.

The major issues I experienced with such OS upgrades are the drivers, specifically when the OS went from 32-bit to 64-bit. My position at the time was responsible for an investment of some $$$ in business software that would not play with each other because of the confilct between a 64-bit OS and 32-bit drivers.

Our agency had to migrate to Windows 7.0 becuase of the lack of business support for Windows NT 4.0 and XP, but all the other vendors we dealt with were slow in upgrading their products to work within that enviromment - and if it did, their upgrades came at a price.

I'm doing my homework on replacing my home system, and intend to migrate to Windows 7.0. I'm going to assume that I will also have to acquire a new printer and scanner if I cannot find the appropriate drivers. In my research the various vendors are trying to entice me to make an advance purchase on Windows 8.0 with a $15 coupon. No thanks. I'll stick with what I know.

To get back on track, I'm still interested in hearing any stories about FS9 or FSX running under Windows 8.0.

My 2 cents worth...

:ernae:
--WH
 
I'm in an IT program at school, and every single instructor I've talked to has told me that in their opinion, W8 will be great on a tablet/laplet, but it's not very good on a regular PC without touchscreen technology. And from my own experience, I have to agree. The "Home" screen is pretty much what you'd see on a tablet, with massive icons intended for fingers. You can get to a regular "Desktop," but it takes a couple of clicks/taps to get there.
 
I was always taught not to touch the screen, so I'm finding this new technology a bit difficult.
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3 pc's on XP, and one on Win7. Each has it's own uses, but they're all set to classic view, or as close as I can get, so I can find my way way around each one easily.

As a late adopter I'll be watching the intro of Win8 from afar any-ways.

Just my 2 cents.

Cheers Esq.
 
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