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I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a couple of skin or even planes out there with a livery for MATS.

First off....I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find a Super Constellation in the Winged livery of MATS in the early 50's. I have been looking through my reference books on MATS, and I can't find any photo evidence of this liver on a C-121C or later plane, but I think it would be wonderful to have in the hangers.

Next I am hoping one of our painters will take up this challenge that I am about to show. It is a Douglas C-118A.

It would also be another wonderful bird in our hangers.

Thanks in advance
 
Cowboy1968 said:
I was wondering if anyone knew if there was a couple of skin or even planes out there with a livery for MATS.

First off....I was wondering if anyone knows where I can find a Super Constellation in the Winged livery of MATS in the early 50's. I have been looking through my reference books on MATS, and I can't find any photo evidence of this liver on a C-121C or later plane, but I think it would be wonderful to have in the hangers.

Next I am hoping one of our painters will take up this challenge that I am about to show. It is a Douglas C-118A.

It would also be another wonderful bird in our hangers.

Thanks in advance
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Flightsim.com has this one

Name: three_c121as.zip Size:
12,129,314 Date: 12-07-2009 Downloads: 711
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three_c121as.gif
FS2004 USAF Lockheed
L-749 / C-121A Constellations. These repaints represent US Air Force 48-612, an
early all-silver snub-nosed C-121A with "MATS ATLANTIC" titles circa 1949,
48-614, a polished silver and white VC-121A circa 1955, and 48-609, a
"photoreal" texture alternative for an aircraft already present in the Lockheed
L-749 base pack. By Manfred Jahn.

and

Name: r7v-1.zip Size: 10,182,115
Date: 05-25-2009 Downloads: 2,176
[SIZE=-1]
R7V-1.GIF
FS2004 Lockheed R7V-1 / C-121C
Super Constellation. The R7V-1 and the C-121C were the military transport
versions of the Super Constellation. Textures include R7V-1 131635 (by Eric
Joiner), and USAF/MATS C-121C 54-151. The package requires a working
installation of the G and H Super Constellation packs (L1049H.ZIP, L1049G.ZIP). By
Team 1049 - Roland Berger, Volker Boehme, Manfred Jahn, Luis Pallas, Bill Tyne,
and Stefan Werner.

which should cover the Connie;
and if you're not too picky there's a C-54 MATS paint of Jens' DC-4
for a C-118 maybe try Tom Gibson's Cal-Classics; there was a rendition done for Fs2002 that should be ok for
Fs2004


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Pete
 
Have those packages. The C-121A is actually the US Air Force version of the Lockheed L-749 Constellation. I have the winged livery for that bird, and I love it.

I am looking for the winged livery for the Lockheed C-121C and later. The C-121C is the US Air Force version of the Lockheed L-1049 Super Constellation. This bird would look wonderful with the Winged livery of early 1950's. The Version you are mentioning is in the "white top" livery that was carried on MATS planes from around 1954 to 1966, and then was carried over to MAC (Military Airlift Command) when MATS (Military Air Transport Service) was disbanded.

Out of all the propliner and early jet operators, I think I enjoy MATS the best....

Little know fact is that MATS actually operated a lot of its fleet on an airline and air freight type schedule....They had as many daily scheduled routes as any airline. They even contracted with US based airlines for use of gates and terminals at civilian fields.

The activities of MATS, included the Air Weather Service, Air Transport Maintenance Service, Air Rescue Service, Aircraft Ferrying Service. They handled the Geographic Survey.

In the end, MATS was a well organized air service that rivaled both Pan American World Airways and Trans World Airways, but this shouldn't come as a surprise considering that during World War II Air Transport Command (ATC), which was the immediate predecessor to MATS, was based on Pan American model of operations and operations was generally contracted out to Pan American.

In the end, so in my opinion, MATS should be considered one of the great airlines of the 1950's.
 
Not sure if the C-121C ever wore the bare aluminum and wings paint scheme, but you may be able to use the paint for the earlier L-749 based C-121 on our L-1049.
The entire series goes back to Manfred's Turbo Connie. From there he developed the L-1649 and then the L-1049 and finally the L-749 series. When he moved on to the C-47 having burned out a bit on the Connies the rest of us, using his Gmax file finished up with the L-049.

The fuselage of the 749 and 1049 should be mapped identically, so textures should fit reasonably well. The differences will be mostly in the nose section and of course the wings with or without tip tanks.
This by the way does not work for the YF-121 .... The mapping there is not quite close enough.

Cheers
Stefan
 
Sunny9850 said:
Not sure if the C-121C ever wore the bare aluminum and wings paint scheme, but you may be able to use the paint for the earlier L-749 based C-121 on our L-1049.
The entire series goes back to Manfred's Turbo Connie. From there he developed the L-1649 and then the L-1049 and finally the L-749 series. When he moved on to the C-47 having burned out a bit on the Connies the rest of us, using his Gmax file finished up with the L-049.

The fuselage of the 749 and 1049 should be mapped identically, so textures should fit reasonably well. The differences will be mostly in the nose section and of course the wings with or without tip tanks.
This by the way does not work for the YF-121 .... The mapping there is not quite close enough.

Cheers
Stefan
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Yes, I believe you might be right about MATS Super Constellations, I haven't found in reference photos in the winged livery, but I just think they would look good wearing one.

My references show the C-121C in the mid 50's "White Tops"

Thanks, I will give it a try....

I didn't know you had worked on a L-049 in these series...Where can i find them at, and what are the file names?
 
I was thinking of my comments from above and thought I would point out just how versatile MATS was in the 1950's and early 60's

IT should be pointed out that MATS was formed from the US Air Force's Air Transport Command in 1948. The Navy's Naval Air Transport Service was combined into MATS in 1950 under "the single manager concept".

From its outset the main MATS mission was movement of ammunition (bullets), munitions (guns and equipment), Consumables (food, water and butt wipe), and personal (dead and alive) by air. When first put into commission MATS was devised into three divisions. Atlantic, Pacific and Continental. These divisions were unified in 1955. The main mission was handled well by MATS. In peacetime they handled the movement of military personal quite well. Though when Korea broke out, MATS had to supplement its own service by contracting with commercial airlines.

In peacetime MATS worked with SAC in training exercises. they conducted movements between Europe and Asia from the Continental U.S. several times a month. These exercise could be anywhere from a half a dozen personal with a just a few tons of cargo or movements that included hundreds of personal and thousands of tons of cargo. This was practice for MATS "D-Day" type operations, and for operations like the Berlin Airlift.

From 1955 to 1966, they also took over the mission of tactical transport as well. they assumed the mission of Troop Carrying and forward air supply by air. This mission was later returned to TAC. When MATS became MAC, it was decided they needed to concentrate on strategic airlift and not tactical airlift.

MATS also conducted the "Special Missions" operations. These meant they handled the VIP flights for the US Government and military. These are the guys that fly the President.

That mentioned. MATS had several subordinate commands that have to be looked at.

Airways and Air Communications Service
This was the USAF's main air control system. they provided personal for Air traffic Control, Control Tower personal, Ground Traffic Control, Radar maintenance personal for air traffic control purposes. Point to point radio communications, Air Nav Aids were maintained and monitored for military use. This service was the prototype for what would become the FAA's system for Air Traffic Control in the United States, and therefor the prototype for most of the world.

Air Weather Service
The air weather service provided the Air Force with its meteorological information for its air routes, bases and operations. Another mission of the AWS was to monitor Soviet nuclear tests by taking atmospheric test and high altitude reconnaissance with aircraft.

Air Rescue Service
As its name suggest, this outfit under MATS was to provide Search and Rescue. They did this by air and by land. In this mission they provided helicopter, amphibious aircraft, and long range search operations using machines like the SB-17, SB-29 and SB-50 bombers. The service would eventually switch to using HC-130 transports. They also provided the "crash service" at air bases. ARS also was responsible for the Medical Air Evacuation mission that moved wounded from the combat areas back to the Continental U.S.

Flight Service
This was MATS clearing house for Military flight operations. Their mission was to receive and plan schedules for MATS routes. They informed the civil aviation authorities of Military traffic, received and processed request for Air Rescue Service missions for civil operations. They also informed ARS when military traffic was missing or overdue. They conducted accident investigations. Basically the Flight Service was the military's FAA. In 1958, the accident investigation and filing of flight plans were turned over to the FAA.

Air Resupply and Communications Service
This organization only lasted three years under MATS control, but its name was only a cover for PhsyOps in the Korean War. enough said about that. They are the ones that did the leaflet drops, and well other dirty tricks.

Air Photographic and Charting Service
This force had the responsibility of making aerial maps, geographic survey from the air, and they are the one's that scouted the routes for MATS to use for its primary mission.

Air Ferrying Wing
This force was responsible for ferrying Air Force aircraft to operating units around the world. Even though a lot of planes were moved as cargo on ships, the most needed and eventually the majority of planes were moved by the seven squadrons that made up this wing. This force was over worked and understaffed, but they really came through in both Kora and Vietnam.

While most of MATS forces were involved in support operations, they did have one combat outfit. They were responsible for the Iceland Air Defense Force that used F-89 fighters for the Air Defense of Iceland, but in 1961 this operations was turned over to ADC (Air Defense Command).

Another mission of MATS was the multiengine training conversion for the US Air Force. Pilots being assigned to both MATS, SAC and TAC from Air Training Command would go to Orlando AFB in Florida and learn to fly large two and four engine aircraft on TB-25 Mitchell, C-131, C-54 Skymaster and TB-50 Superfortress planes.

That's just some thoughts on why MATS was a force that made history time and time again.
 
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