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datter

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A friend of mine had FSX running nicely, then installed My Traffic X and found his nice frame rate went down the crapper. Due to that, I'm hesitant to try any addon traffic things myself. I've got FSX (on WinXP) running beautifully with REX, GEX and some UTX stuff... I'm in the 20's to 30's all the time even in high density scenery areas.

Now I come across WOAI and as I'm always wanting more more more, but scared to do it so I'm here asking. Does anyone have any real world reports of what kind of performance impact it might have? I'd be ok losing some frames as that's likely unavoidable... but if it's between losing 15 to 20 frames and flying all by myself, I'd rather fly alone I think.

Thanks

PS- My system:

Q6600 Quad
2gb ram
nVidia 8800GT x2 (sli)
1.3 terrabytes HD space
WinXP Pro (32bit)
AM/FM radio
Corinthian leather interior
Ample trunk room
New tires
 
All traffic has a hit..The only coarse to do is to reduce traffic, or kick your CPU and ram up......

I had MyTraffic X on FSX and it was not to bad a hit for me.I ran my traffic at 60% generally,and I stayed out of big airports mostly...It was a trade off at best...

Best I can say is add your traffic,then reduce the % till its flyable like I did...You also can OC your Q6600 to about 3.4 and get good results ,and add 2 more gigs ram....

Mo Money...LOL
 
RAM is pretty cheap these days, but I wasn't sure if there was any point to having 4gb in WinXP as I've heard varying opinions as to how much of that XP can actually use.

I've considered overclocking as well, but I need to research into whether I can bump it up much while retaining stock cooling because I really don't have the willpower to go through a big cooling upgrade. :)


harleyman said:
All traffic has a hit..The only coarse to do is to reduce traffic, or kick your CPU and ram up......

I had MyTraffic X on FSX and it was not to bad a hit for me.I ran my traffic at 60% generally,and I stayed out of big airports mostly...It was a trade off at best...

Best I can say is add your traffic,then reduce the % till its flyable like I did...You also can OC your Q6600 to about 3.4 and get good results ,and add 2 more gigs ram....

Mo Money...LOL
Click to expand...
 
4Gb is the limit for a 32-bit operating system, whether it be XP or Vista. The software just can't address more than that.

However, by the time the hardware and OS have had their bite of 2Gb, there's next to nothing left for applications tom run in. My sim got a lot smoother, if not a massively higher frame rate, when I went from 2Gb to 4Gb on XP SP3 (32bit). But then I have an overspecced and underused 1Gb graphics card, stealing 1Gb of system RAM as a shadow!
 
Installing a CPU cooler is a breese....I can assist you with that over the phone or on the forums if you are intrested.....(expecially the one I listed )

Have a look ......

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227289

or get 2 more gigs of what you already have

A fantastic cooler...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134


Just realized where you are from...That affects your parts and a phone help...But its easily guided over the forums here or E-mail


Both the above have free shipping now.......


You will need this too...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186020
 
hmm, tempting and thanks very much for your offer of assistance. If I do an overclock I'll certainly pick your brain though at this point I'm thinking I might just get another stick of ram and see what sort of impact that has. Overclocking scares the crap out of me. :)

I have a 2gb stick of either OCZ Reaper 9200 or 8500 in there now... pretty sure it's 9200. I'll check to make sure then see if my local nerd shop has any in stock and see how that goes. I just read something about adding a /3gb switch to the boot ini to allow programs to access more ram, need some more reading to see if that's a wise idea or not though.
 
The three Gb switch is included in SP3 of XP I believe......

Adding an identical stick will bring you to 4 gigs..You should see a difference for sure there...just do not get different Ram,as if you get a slower one,that will downclock your higher down to match....
 
yeah, I just called and found that they're currently not shipping OCZ Reaper 9200, though they can get 8500. I need to crack my system open to see what's in there for sure. I'm thinking it's 9200.

EDIT: Ok I actually have two 1gb sticks of Reaper 9200 in there, meaning I'll need to sell these off someplace and get two 2gb sticks of Reaper 8500. Knowing me I'll never get around to that damnit.
 
I have WOAI installed, don't think it hurt my FPS much. To be honest I can rarely run AI traffic above 35% in a city and 50% rural anyway. Just keep the default traffic.bgl backed up and switch it out if you don't like it...
 
datter said:
A friend of mine had FSX running nicely, then installed My Traffic X and found his nice frame rate went down the crapper. Due to that, I'm hesitant to try any addon traffic things myself. I've got FSX (on WinXP) running beautifully with REX, GEX and some UTX stuff... I'm in the 20's to 30's all the time even in high density scenery areas.

Now I come across WOAI and as I'm always wanting more more more, but scared to do it so I'm here asking. Does anyone have any real world reports of what kind of performance impact it might have? I'd be ok losing some frames as that's likely unavoidable... but if it's between losing 15 to 20 frames and flying all by myself, I'd rather fly alone I think.

Thanks

PS- My system:

Q6600 Quad
2gb ram
nVidia 8800GT x2 (sli)
1.3 terrabytes HD space
WinXP Pro (32bit)
AM/FM radio
Corinthian leather interior
Ample trunk room
New tires
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I'll try to answer your question.
Adding addtional traffic will give you a hit on your FPS.
Regardless of the package, either payware or freeware.
The way WOAI is set up it to use the framerate friendliest models available without giving up quality.

The bigger the number of airlines active in your own AI zone ( think about a circle of 128 NM in diameter aroudn your own aircraft as the AI zone) the bigger the hit will be.

Will you lose 15-20 FPS ? I doubt it , if you have setup your system to accomodate for the traffic.
This also implies to have decent afcads installed for the airports in order to get all the traffic parked correctly.
A lot of stutters are caused since FSX is looking if it can park aircraft when they are planned for departure.
No parking spaces will cause FSX to skip that aircraft.
No parking space on arrival will cause FSX to terminate the aircraft after it has landed on the runway ( aircraft dissapearing after landing).

So setup decent parking, install the airlines you want to see ( depending on your own personal taste) and check the FPS performance.
If you are happy with it then let it stay in.
If you are not happy you can easily remove all the airlines by using the expert option in the installer.

Kind regards,

Tom van der Horst
World-of-AI
 
Thanks very much for that, very helpful and I really appreciate your taking the time to explain it. It's good to know I can easily remove things if they aren't working out for any reason. Makes the thought of trying this stuff less stressful because as said, my main concern is getting some good traffic without mucking up what I have going already.

Thanks again.
 
Ain't SOH grand?
Ask a question about a particular software product and within 72 hours we can have a response from the source? (and not some call center in Outer Nowhereland)

I've never been a fan of a lot of AI for the obvious FPS reasons (and the lousy way FS tries to "separate" traffic) but at least now I'm better prepared if I feel the need to be surrounded by aircraft.

Thanks Tom!
 
I love their traffic and use it combined with Ultimate Traffic 07 and have seen very little conflicts ......

I run traffic at 100% too....:applause:
 
Hi guys,

I believe that many of the older WOAI packages don't use randomized traffic density values in their flightplans (Tom can correct me if I'm wrong), which makes it difficult to effectively control AI density through the FSX menu. Thus, when I convert the WOAI FS9 style flightplans to FSX format with Lamont Clark's utility -- http://lc0277.nerim.net/wiki/index.php?software -- I select the option to randomize FP density values.

And since Tom may have another look in this thread: many thanks to you and your team for tirelessly providing us with this wonderful addition to the FS experience!

Cheers, Holger
 
Gentlemen,

First of all thank you for all the great work you've done in FS as well.
Holger you've got a fan here.

Thank you for the compliments but I'd like to extend them to the modellers, repainters and flightplanners that kindly allow WOAI to use their work.
Without them WOAI wouldn't even exist.

As we started off with WOAI in the beginning we didn't think much about randomising the AI traffic.
As FSX was introduced we started randomising the packages.
So it's safe to say that all packages released in the first year of our existence are not randomised.
If you want to know which packages it concerns go to our packages page
http://www.world-of-ai.com/allpackages.php?sort=date&order=desc

All packages that are released in 2006 do not have been randomised.
11 Airlines
5 Cargo operators
7 Military packages
8 Ceased airlines

These are the ones where you might encounter the 1% setting.
When ever we have new data for these airliens we will update them and randomise their schedules.

Now in new packages we use a randomising scheme:

Every airline that has multiple flightplans on an aicraft type gets randomised on the aircraft type.
If an airline has multiple flightplans on multiple aircraft types they get randomised.

What isn't randomised is :
1 flightplan for one aircraft type
flightplans for special liveries.

In order to be able to show the special liveries in an airline they are not randomised.
They are usually the icing on the cake for the users so that's why we don't randomise them.
As a good example is Lynx Aviation released today.
It has 10 aircraft each with it's unique painting on the tail.
This is an airline that isn't randmised since we consider each repaint as a special livery.

Thanks for using WOAI, we have a lot more to come for you guys in the upcoming future.
The ultimate WOAI goals is to provide each and every airline worldwide as an AI package.
Since we're approaching package nr. 500 and there's an average of 1300 airlines in operationg world wide we have our work cut out for us :typing::whistle::focus:

Kind regards
Tom van der Horst
World-of-AI
 
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