Just Flight PA28R Arrow III released

This is one the best GA planes I have in FS. I think you guys did better than the Trinidad on this one. The handling feels quite Piper-ish, with the characteristic drop-like-a-stone attitude when throttle is closed.

I seem to be getting a smoke effect issue, similar to the one reported on the Tiffie. Any suggestion?

 
Martyn said:
I'll have a look, but this shouldn't be using any smoke effects to cause that issue.
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Any news? It is P3D btw. It seems the transparency issue is less severe than what was reported in the Tiffie but it is certainly there.
 
I have been trying it out in FSX. Nice model etc, but I think that the flight dynamics need improving. Jittery in the air, tendency to bank to the left and so on. Hopefully there will be an update soon.
 
paulb said:
I have been trying it out in FSX. Nice model etc, but I think that the flight dynamics need improving. Jittery in the air, tendency to bank to the left and so on. Hopefully there will be an update soon.
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Already being worked on, a few pitch issues and made the trim a bit more gentle. The banking should have been resolved, but because it only feeds from one tank at a time there tends to be a bit of imbalance. I've moved the tanks inwards a bit from their actual position to minimise this effect. Not sure what you mean by 'Jittery in the air' though, Paul - nobody else has mentioned anything at all like that through testing or since release, would you care to elaborate?.

Cheers,
Paul.
 
delta558 said:
Already being worked on, a few pitch issues and made the trim a bit more gentle. The banking should have been resolved, but because it only feeds from one tank at a time there tends to be a bit of imbalance. I've moved the tanks inwards a bit from their actual position to minimise this effect. Not sure what you mean by 'Jittery in the air' though, Paul - nobody else has mentioned anything at all like that through testing or since release, would you care to elaborate?.

Cheers,
Paul.
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Hi Paul

Thank you for the positive feedback. Much appreciated. Background then - My controls are calibrated and I usually fly similar aircraft from RealAir, Flight 1, Aerosoft and A2A. I don't have any problems with their flight models. On my first flight in the Arrow, I felt that the aircraft was taking too long on takeoff and then tended to lurch into the air as I applied pressure. Once in the air, the tendency to bank to the left was fairly pronounced and the aircraft was very sensitive to even a small joystick movement (jittery). In fairness to you, I admit that I only flew it for one day.
I am sure that you will have done much research and testing. However, I am not flying the aircraft now because of these issues.
Having worked on FS aircraft in the past, I know (as I am sure that you do) that accuracy is not always well reflected within the parameters of FSX. Hence one often has to play around with things until the aircraft feels more comfortable in flight.
Hope that this helps a bit.

Cheers
Paul
 
I'll second his 'lurch in the air'. As it accelerates, it gives little or no indication of wanting to fly. When you roll in some more trim it'll suddenly pitch off into a nose-high, imminent stall attitude. Already have a support ticket going and am currently very skeptical about this bird.
 
Dimus said:
Any news? It is P3D btw. It seems the transparency issue is less severe than what was reported in the Tiffie but it is certainly there.
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I'm using P3Dv3 but don't see the issue. I've double checked and the aircraft is using no custom effects, just the usual default FS/P3D effects:

[EFFECTS]
wake=fx_wake
water=fx_spray
dirt=fx_tchdrt
concrete=fx_sparks
touchdown=fx_tchdwn_s, 1

It'd be worth checking that the default dirt effect (fx_tchdrt) is definitely present in the P3D effects folder.


olderndirt said:
am currently very skeptical about this bird.
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Skeptical because of the pitch issue? An improved FDE, along with other updates and improvements (including Flight1 GNS integration) will be available very soon.
 
It is actually a smoke effect. The engine seems to be emitting smoke even during flight, which is strange.
 
I can't see that anything like the smoke effect Dimus is seeing. Maybe system specific or my failing eyesight.. I only see smoke on startup, but I haven't looked from outside during a start yet.

Getting the quite vicious pitch up and roll as the wheels come off the ground here too, even if gentle on the controls. And it definitely needs positive column to unstick, which makes it interesting!

My biggest issue though is mixture - cannot seem to lean it to achieve the cruise table figures. The needle just will not drop below about 14 gph unless I pull the mixture right back nearly to cutoff! Probably should add I am only using it in P3D v3.

Hope the update is a good one, as otherwise this is spoiling a very nice looking addition to my hangar (I even prefer this to the A2A Cherokee atm...).
 
[FONT=&quot]Here is the current list of what will be included in the upcoming service pack:



  • Improvements to FDE
  • Flight1 GNS integration added
  • Interactive engine start checklist added
  • FSUIPC auto-saves trigger panel state save - fixed
  • Option to disable 2D panel selector arrow added to PA-28 menu
  • “GPS changed. Updating HSI source…” message keeps appearing – fixed
  • Battery voltage low/oil quantity low message will now appear onscreen to warn of potential failures
  • Changes to engine start logic
  • Changes to fuel selector logic
  • Flaps not moving with electrical power off – fixed
  • Battery discharge and oil usage now occur only when engine management is enabled


None of the issues that have been reported will be ignored but other fixes/changes might take a bit more time.
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Thanks
Martyn
 
Really great to see you guys connecting with the us consumers. I agree, great list of fixes and updates.

Will anxiously await!

Overall it is a fantastic product and a step forward for the Just Flight team.

- Joseph
 
OK I have to take back the smoke issue. It seems it shows with other planes too, not just the Piper. It is however a hit and miss situation and I can not find the cause. It is a smoke effect that seems to be attached to either the nosewheel or the tailwheel of planes. I''ll keep checking, this is a hard one.
 
fsxar177 said:
Really great to see you guys connecting with the us consumers. I agree, great list of fixes and updates.

Will anxiously await!

Overall it is a fantastic product and a step forward for the Just Flight team.

- Joseph
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A step forward indeed! Very ambitious this one! Great stuff!

Cees
 
Just to add further to my leaning issue - the fuel flow looks to be twice that predicted from the performance charts. If I halve the figure, all looks good.
 
Service pack 1 is now available: https://www.justflight.com/support/pa28-arrow-iii/30fa7cc


Please make sure to read the notes on the support page, particularly if you are using the Flight1 GTN or GNS.





  • Flight1 GNS integration added
  • Interactive engine start checklist added
  • FSUIPC auto-saves trigger panel state save - fixed
  • Option to disable 2D panel selector arrow added to PA-28 menu
  • “GPS changed. Updating HSI source…” message keeps appearing – fixed
  • Battery voltage low/oil quantity low message will now appear onscreen to warn of potential failures
  • Changes to engine start logic
  • Changes to fuel selector logic
  • Flaps not moving with electrical power off – fixed
  • Battery discharge and oil usage now occur only when engine management is enabled
  • Door now only closes fully when both latches are closed
  • Slight delay in electrical power availability after battery/alternator switched on, for added realism



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