I've gotten BPF Iceberg up and running.
I usually don't get this shot up in dogfights and make it back.
But then, I was in a Hellcat....
I usually don't get this shot up in dogfights and make it back.
But then, I was in a Hellcat....
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BPF Iceberg Up and Running
- Thread starter Devildog73
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bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
highpockets
SOH-CM-2025
This is where you add, "...and you should see the other guy(s)"
Thanks Bearcat,....
I actually did shoot down 3 on that mission and my wingmen took care of the rest.
That particular mission the BPF encountered two flights of enemy fighters either protecting the island chain or heading to Okinawa.
They did not accomplish their mission.
DD
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
By the by, as much as i love the idea of working Corsairs and Hellcats in FAA action, will there be any Seafires to play with? 
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
Sweetness!...where do i sign up?! 
Question for you all.....
With the BPF there were basically 3 Iceberg campaigns: 1) Iceberg, 2) Iceberg Oolong, 3) Iceberg Redux. BPF then ended TF57 and became TF37 of the USN Third Fleet for attacks on the Japanese home islands.
Do you all want three separate Iceberg campaigns of 12/6/12, OR one campaign of 30 missions covering all of Iceberg?
They actually flew many more missions than this, but it would be repeating the same type missions ad nauseum in Avengers, Corsairs, Fireflies, Hellcats, and Seafires, over and over again.
That was a part of the contributors to the "twitch" which many of the RN aircrews suffered from by the end of Iceberg all inclusive.
Most sorties were Avenger bombing missions. Some were Firefly bombing missions. Many were boring Corsair and Hellcat strafing or escort missions with no enemy contact until the Kamikaze attacks when all three BPF fighters entered the fray.
So, what say ye?
With the BPF there were basically 3 Iceberg campaigns: 1) Iceberg, 2) Iceberg Oolong, 3) Iceberg Redux. BPF then ended TF57 and became TF37 of the USN Third Fleet for attacks on the Japanese home islands.
Do you all want three separate Iceberg campaigns of 12/6/12, OR one campaign of 30 missions covering all of Iceberg?
They actually flew many more missions than this, but it would be repeating the same type missions ad nauseum in Avengers, Corsairs, Fireflies, Hellcats, and Seafires, over and over again.
That was a part of the contributors to the "twitch" which many of the RN aircrews suffered from by the end of Iceberg all inclusive.
Most sorties were Avenger bombing missions. Some were Firefly bombing missions. Many were boring Corsair and Hellcat strafing or escort missions with no enemy contact until the Kamikaze attacks when all three BPF fighters entered the fray.
So, what say ye?
Bearcat,
How's this for protecting the fleet?
Lee
How's this for protecting the fleet?
Lee
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
I'm with it
... Around here we're kinda used to seeing screenies of USN Wildcats, Corsairs and Hellcats tangling with the Rising Sun over blue waters. I'm ready for a new venue of some protracted BPF campaigns.
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
"Question for you all....."
How about we break the camps up into (A) bombing missions only flying the expected variety of bombers to keep things interesting and (B) a stand-alone campaign of fighter missions only with the aforementioned fighter variety, each one 30 missions covering all of Iceberg?
Lee, i don't want to appear to make your "Question for you all....." posting about me. But this explanation of my answer above some others might relate to as well if i put it out there. While i do find both types of campaigns appealing in their own right, i tend to get bummed a bit whenever i'm on a roll in serial fighter action (you guys know that feeling) and i'm then dropped into a bombing mission that changes my hunter/killer "ace in a day" mindset into something simply about hitting a designated target and surviving the egress. Its the back and forth switching that gets to me in long camps. Again, this is just my two cents since you asked.
How about we break the camps up into (A) bombing missions only flying the expected variety of bombers to keep things interesting and (B) a stand-alone campaign of fighter missions only with the aforementioned fighter variety, each one 30 missions covering all of Iceberg?
Lee, i don't want to appear to make your "Question for you all....." posting about me. But this explanation of my answer above some others might relate to as well if i put it out there. While i do find both types of campaigns appealing in their own right, i tend to get bummed a bit whenever i'm on a roll in serial fighter action (you guys know that feeling) and i'm then dropped into a bombing mission that changes my hunter/killer "ace in a day" mindset into something simply about hitting a designated target and surviving the egress. Its the back and forth switching that gets to me in long camps. Again, this is just my two cents since you asked.
I'm with Bearcat. Switching back and forth kills immersion for me. 
BC - CK,
That is exactly the feedback I am looking for, so no worries. I can, and am willing to, break them into bombing, fighting, combined campaigns. After all, both USN and RN had designated fighter pilots and bomber crews. There would not be 30 fighter missions unless I put in the strafing runs along with the escorts and fleet CAP. Even then, I'm not sure we would end up with 30 total fighter missions which actually tangled with enemy aircraft. Until the kamikaze attacks the fleet CAP only saw BPF and an occassional USN, USAAF aircraft. However, I could also make some of the same kamikaze attack defense in Corsairs, Hellcats, and Seafires, which is actually accurate.
I think I will upload the entire BPF Iceberg campaign first. Then I will enhance the fighters only set and see how the number of missions comes out. I may have to see if Rami can put his magic optionals into some of those: "if this then that, if that then this" options in the missions and outcomes. I still haven't mastered those.
Lee
bearcat241
SOH-CM-2023
To add more flavor to the fighter action beyond strafing runs, escorts and fleet CAP, lets not forget the crucial and constant pressure of fighter sweeps on Formosa, the Philippines and the home islands that were aimed at attriting the IJN and IJAAF air assets allocated for home defense and kamikaze missions.
Our intelligence community is keeping tabs on the enemy's main source bases for strike missions, troop interdiction missions, kamikaze attacks and bomber interceptors. Of course we want to catch the enemy napping on the ground for a good strafing, but there's no reason why we can't stage plenty of good old-fashioned furballs over these bases as we catch them marshaling en masse over or near their airfields for big attacks or bomber intercept missions.
I haven't researched any historical references to such actions in the PTO, but i'm pretty sure there were such. Besides, i think we're allowed a little license here given that such sorties were factual routine for the USAAC and the RAF in the ETO. Major aerial and ground operations were often preceded by regional fighter sweeps to weaken enemy air forces that might impact the operations.
Our intelligence community is keeping tabs on the enemy's main source bases for strike missions, troop interdiction missions, kamikaze attacks and bomber interceptors. Of course we want to catch the enemy napping on the ground for a good strafing, but there's no reason why we can't stage plenty of good old-fashioned furballs over these bases as we catch them marshaling en masse over or near their airfields for big attacks or bomber intercept missions.
I haven't researched any historical references to such actions in the PTO, but i'm pretty sure there were such. Besides, i think we're allowed a little license here given that such sorties were factual routine for the USAAC and the RAF in the ETO. Major aerial and ground operations were often preceded by regional fighter sweeps to weaken enemy air forces that might impact the operations.
Nice!! I remember flying F6F over Japan in 45...tangled with some Zekes and Georges...flamed one George and 3 Zekes, then a George shot me up, dove for the deck and wingman saved me. Made it back to carrier, landing gear would not lower, even manually. Made a belly landing on carrier. F6F is a tough bird, CFS 2 did well in replicating that.
There were fighter sweeps in PTO by carrier and land based units of USN, USMC, and USAAF as well as RN, RNZAF RAAF, etc. Became common during later part of Solomons campaignin late 43 over Rabaul, sending fighter sweeps ahead of bomber raids to mitigate bomber losses.
Carriers launched fighter sweeps on regular basis over enemy bases in 44/45, even flying in formation like bombers to lure enemy fighters up(as started doing in late 43 over Rabaul) . Definitely would be accurate to have it part of PTO campaign.
Okay guys,
You've talked me into it.
I will do a fighter specific group of missions now between Icerberg II and TF 37 attack on the home islands.
I will incorporate TF 37 fighter sweeps into the mix to finish up the entire BPF fighter campaigns.
Should be able to finish by end of summer, say August or so.
Lee
You've talked me into it.
I will do a fighter specific group of missions now between Icerberg II and TF 37 attack on the home islands.
I will incorporate TF 37 fighter sweeps into the mix to finish up the entire BPF fighter campaigns.
Should be able to finish by end of summer, say August or so.
Lee
I have 8 fighter only missions set up encompassing Iceberg I and Redux.
I probably have another 6 for Oolong and at least that many when Iceberg II starts with the kamikaze intercepts.
So far no Seafires or Fireflies, but those are coming.
Currently just Corsair and Hellcat missions.
I probably have another 6 for Oolong and at least that many when Iceberg II starts with the kamikaze intercepts.
So far no Seafires or Fireflies, but those are coming.
Currently just Corsair and Hellcat missions.
