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AH P-47D Released
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docjohnson
Charter Member
Ok, it's a great aircraft. I have one small gripe...Where's the rest of the loadout? If I'm not mistaken (which I am occasionally) there was another attach point inboard usually having a three tube rocket launcher. I think it was an M8 or M10?
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/p47.html
Anyway, love the airplane. I'll tacpack it since it didn't come that way.
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/URG/p47.html
Anyway, love the airplane. I'll tacpack it since it didn't come that way.
Victory103
SOH-CM-2025
Doc, as in Tacpack all the way with visual weapons? Trying to add more warbirds in my new P3D install, started with MV Corsair (TP ready) and heck it came with a vanilla MV P-38 (not working w/ TP). Model looks good for a Jug.
bazzar
Charter Member 2018
The three-tube rocket launcher appeared on the later "bubbles" not this one. They were retrofitted but then a whole swag of other options were too.
docjohnson
Charter Member
@Bazzar,
Ok, I'm not trying to be picky here. So please don't take this as such. The P-47 is superb. However, I'm pretty sure they were on earlier models that had the bubble top. I looked at a historical study that was done (Air Power at the Battlefront: Allied Close Air Support in Europe 1943-45 by Dr. Ian Gooderson):
I don't know if you can see this or not. The 9th AF fired over 13k of these rockets. I could not find a specific version of the D model referenced from a rocket standpoint other than this one and a Wikipedia article on the P-47:
"First deliveries of the P-47D-25 to combat groups began in May 1944. It was followed by similar bubble-top variants, including the P-47D-26, D-27, D-28 and D-30. Improvements added in this series included engine refinements and the addition of dive recovery flaps. Cutting down the rear fuselage to accommodate the bubble canopy produced yaw instability, and the P-47D-40 introduced a vertical stabilizer extension in the form of a fin running from the vertical stabilizer to just behind the radio aerial. The fin fillet was often retrofitted in the field to earlier P-47D bubble-top variants. The P-47D-40 also featured provisions for 10 "zero length" launchers for 5 in (127 mm) High-velocity aircraft rockets (HVARs), as well as the new K-14 computing gunsight. This was a license-built copy of the British Ferranti GGS Mark IID computing gyroscopic sight which allowed the pilot to dial in target wingspan and range, and would then move the gunsight reticle to compensate for the required deflection."
This was speaking of the HVAR. I'm talking about the 3 tube M10 launcher which from what I understand they basically strapped lengthened bazooka tubes with M8 rockets to jury-rigged attach points. I know for a fact the razorback jugs flew with the M10 as well (the A2A jug has them):
And therefore I'm somewhat baffled at the assertion that "The three-tube rocket launcher appeared on the later "bubbles" not this one."
Could you please elaborate for my edification, what specific versions of the P-47 got the M-10 rocket launcher?
@Victory103 Yes, but that level of modification would require access the model source. As fond as I am of TMAP modifying aircraft, I prefer to work directly with the source model. I know its a detail thing...I've had it since childhood. This modification would be fairly easy as the tubes were fixed and Tacpack has a PseudoRocketSingle weapon that is extremely easy to code for as long as the launcher is there. I already did the A2A jug and this would be a piece of cake if the option for the model was there just like the bombs. So no hassles about visibility other than making the tube empty after firing. And frankly when I'm on a CAS run with rockets I don't look at the tubes I'm looking at the gunsight.
As long as they are empty when I do the postflight then all is good.
Ok, I'm not trying to be picky here. So please don't take this as such. The P-47 is superb. However, I'm pretty sure they were on earlier models that had the bubble top. I looked at a historical study that was done (Air Power at the Battlefront: Allied Close Air Support in Europe 1943-45 by Dr. Ian Gooderson):
I don't know if you can see this or not. The 9th AF fired over 13k of these rockets. I could not find a specific version of the D model referenced from a rocket standpoint other than this one and a Wikipedia article on the P-47:
"First deliveries of the P-47D-25 to combat groups began in May 1944. It was followed by similar bubble-top variants, including the P-47D-26, D-27, D-28 and D-30. Improvements added in this series included engine refinements and the addition of dive recovery flaps. Cutting down the rear fuselage to accommodate the bubble canopy produced yaw instability, and the P-47D-40 introduced a vertical stabilizer extension in the form of a fin running from the vertical stabilizer to just behind the radio aerial. The fin fillet was often retrofitted in the field to earlier P-47D bubble-top variants. The P-47D-40 also featured provisions for 10 "zero length" launchers for 5 in (127 mm) High-velocity aircraft rockets (HVARs), as well as the new K-14 computing gunsight. This was a license-built copy of the British Ferranti GGS Mark IID computing gyroscopic sight which allowed the pilot to dial in target wingspan and range, and would then move the gunsight reticle to compensate for the required deflection."
This was speaking of the HVAR. I'm talking about the 3 tube M10 launcher which from what I understand they basically strapped lengthened bazooka tubes with M8 rockets to jury-rigged attach points. I know for a fact the razorback jugs flew with the M10 as well (the A2A jug has them):
And therefore I'm somewhat baffled at the assertion that "The three-tube rocket launcher appeared on the later "bubbles" not this one."
Could you please elaborate for my edification, what specific versions of the P-47 got the M-10 rocket launcher?
@Victory103 Yes, but that level of modification would require access the model source. As fond as I am of TMAP modifying aircraft, I prefer to work directly with the source model. I know its a detail thing...I've had it since childhood. This modification would be fairly easy as the tubes were fixed and Tacpack has a PseudoRocketSingle weapon that is extremely easy to code for as long as the launcher is there. I already did the A2A jug and this would be a piece of cake if the option for the model was there just like the bombs. So no hassles about visibility other than making the tube empty after firing. And frankly when I'm on a CAS run with rockets I don't look at the tubes I'm looking at the gunsight.
As long as they are empty when I do the postflight then all is good.Attachments
wombat666
Administrator
Please bazzar.......no fugly cluster tubes!
I hate the bloody things and what they do aesthetically to any aircraft!
It took me ages to get rid of them on previous releases of the '47 and '38, so I don't want to go through the pain once more.
Doc is (probably) correct, given the USAAF habit of retro fitting all manner of iron to earlier aircraft, in this case it's like giving a Warthog a bad case of Acne!
"The 9th AF fired over 13k of these rockets"........yes, but did they hit anything?
And a PS: Liking the big old Thunder-bucket!
I hate the bloody things and what they do aesthetically to any aircraft!
It took me ages to get rid of them on previous releases of the '47 and '38, so I don't want to go through the pain once more.
Doc is (probably) correct, given the USAAF habit of retro fitting all manner of iron to earlier aircraft, in this case it's like giving a Warthog a bad case of Acne!
"The 9th AF fired over 13k of these rockets"........yes, but did they hit anything?
And a PS: Liking the big old Thunder-bucket!
PhantomTweak
Members +
Heck, with those numbers, you gotta like the odds.
They had to have hit SOMEthing. Other than the ground, of course
Whether or not they hit any enemy equipment...Pilots have been known to ummm...exaggerate?... their accomplishments a little bit. Not outright lie, just...exaggerate
Have fun!
Pat☺
docjohnson
Charter Member
No problem. All one can do is ask. Still a nice ship.
As for hitting things, yea, if you ever have had the privilege to be in combat, hitting the target, rocket or otherwise is a required thing in training, much more so in war. Unless you're a coward and want to turn and run, which I saw first hand in 1991. As for exaggeration, your wingman, and squadron mates usually don't let that happen; BDA by overhead and TACP/JTAC eyes on for the CAS stuff do as well.
As for hitting things, yea, if you ever have had the privilege to be in combat, hitting the target, rocket or otherwise is a required thing in training, much more so in war. Unless you're a coward and want to turn and run, which I saw first hand in 1991. As for exaggeration, your wingman, and squadron mates usually don't let that happen; BDA by overhead and TACP/JTAC eyes on for the CAS stuff do as well.
docjohnson
Charter Member
@jankees, nice repaints. Where are you storing them these days since OZx is down?
blanston12
SOH-CM-2025
I have taken the P-47 up a few times and am enjoying it. Landing it is certainly a challenge, especially if you don't have brake pedals as with full brakes it will nose over very easily.
One bug I did find in the in the aircraft.cfg file for the pro flight model the [Radios] section was missing, disabling the radios.
And if someone from AH/JF reads this please change the titles in the aircraft.cfg file from
title=P-47D...
to
title=Republic P-47D...
One bug I did find in the in the aircraft.cfg file for the pro flight model the [Radios] section was missing, disabling the radios.
And if someone from AH/JF reads this please change the titles in the aircraft.cfg file from
title=P-47D...
to
title=Republic P-47D...
UnknownGuest12
New member
Bought this bird and loving...but IMHO find that rotating effect for propeller and propeller hub, strange. Tried to see P47 real movies in YouTube and found nothing alike. They look a kind of fuzzy (hub). Just my opinion but it doesn't look real to me.
Regards
Regards
Gregory Paul
Charter Member
I agree 100% with you. It's the reason I did not pick up this one. It's just to distracting to me (I fly in spot view most of the time).
The JF/AH P-47 prop hub looks like the prop blade is missing. I'm talking about the black circle on the prop hub on the JF/AH P-47
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DaveQ
Charter Member
This a truly beautiful model of the P-47D-25 with stunning detail in the graphics. Well done to all concerned. It's easier to fly than the old FS9 A2A versions and generally looks wonderful. But I have to agree the prop animation is a bit strange.
For me, as a painter though, there are some issues of accuracy. First, the only accurate models are the D-25/27 with the Hamilton Standard prop and stub-nosed prop boss; the D-26/28/30 had the Curtiss prop with a distinctive bullet-shaped prop boss. Also the D-30 had a dorsal fin fillet to improve yaw stability, and many other 25's and 28's had it fitted in theatre.
Finally, the size and positioning of the national insignia is incorrect (again IMHO); the wing insignia should be larger and the fuselage insignia further aft. If you look at JK's excellent repaint above, when the supercharger waste gate is open, the star is on the door; in reality only the forward bar was painted on the door.
I sincerely apologise if this sounds like rivet counting and carping, but this is a truly wonderful model that deserves to be as accurately rendered as it can be.
DaveQ
This was a D-30 from the 350th FG based at Pisa, Italy in 1945. So far just a test piece, transferred from the A2A paint.
For me, as a painter though, there are some issues of accuracy. First, the only accurate models are the D-25/27 with the Hamilton Standard prop and stub-nosed prop boss; the D-26/28/30 had the Curtiss prop with a distinctive bullet-shaped prop boss. Also the D-30 had a dorsal fin fillet to improve yaw stability, and many other 25's and 28's had it fitted in theatre.
Finally, the size and positioning of the national insignia is incorrect (again IMHO); the wing insignia should be larger and the fuselage insignia further aft. If you look at JK's excellent repaint above, when the supercharger waste gate is open, the star is on the door; in reality only the forward bar was painted on the door.
I sincerely apologise if this sounds like rivet counting and carping, but this is a truly wonderful model that deserves to be as accurately rendered as it can be.
DaveQ
This was a D-30 from the 350th FG based at Pisa, Italy in 1945. So far just a test piece, transferred from the A2A paint.
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SpaceWeevil
SOH-CM-2024
I agree 100% with you. It's the reason I did not pick up this one. It's just to distracting to me (I fly in spot view most of the time).
The JF/AH P-47 prop hub looks like the prop blade is missing. I'm talking about the black circle on the prop hub on the JF/AH P-47
It is a bit of a shame, the same issue as the Vertigo F6F, F8F, P36 and a whole bunch of First Class Simulations models. I wonder if it's patchable, or at least paintable? Still and all, it's a bubble-top Jug and overall it does look great for the price.
UnknownGuest12
New member
Ok Pilots, let us learn by the old book …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGoc7P1MnA
And btw we get an idea about hub/propeller movements/animation….
Regards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGoc7P1MnA
And btw we get an idea about hub/propeller movements/animation….
Regards
Dimus
SOH-CM-2025
That is indeed a very nice series of period footage on the Jug. Check out this one:
At 11:15, there is a technique for stopping the plane on the runway that must be unique on the P-47. Bootfull of rudder on one side making it turn 180. Only the Jug's wide gear spacing could pull something like this and still stay upright!
At 11:15, there is a technique for stopping the plane on the runway that must be unique on the P-47. Bootfull of rudder on one side making it turn 180. Only the Jug's wide gear spacing could pull something like this and still stay upright!