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Kill them!
Rip out their entrails, feed their toenails to their mothers! I HATE Pirates!
AND DO THE SAME THING TO ALL THE OTHER ")@#($%)#$(%!
Rip out their entrails, feed their toenails to their mothers! I HATE Pirates!
AND DO THE SAME THING TO ALL THE OTHER ")@#($%)#$(%!
Good they detained them. I use torrents as well, but to download shared freeware Silent Hunter 3/4 mods. Lot of them are shared/published through bittorrent.
Would be ashame if this method of sharing is to be banned due to illegal use.
Hope justice is served right. Let them aggressively hunt down virus makers, hackers and the rest of those cyber terrorists as well :karate:
Would be ashame if this method of sharing is to be banned due to illegal use.
Hope justice is served right. Let them aggressively hunt down virus makers, hackers and the rest of those cyber terrorists as well :karate:
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MCDesigns
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AGREED! The punishment in that article is a complete joke. they need to take into account all the lost money from the people who have had their files stolen and the lack of morality from these guys and their users and THEN lock them in a hole and go after all the other sites like this!:tgun2:
:violent:Warrant, while I do know that torrents can be used for good uses, they are being used for bad use to such a degree that there has to be another way. I have used them a couple of time and feel they should not be used at all since it's obvious to many people can't be trusted to use them properly.
Then again, this is one of the arguements that unless it has directly affected a person (seen months of hard work pirated right after release), then you can't really understand the the frustration, hopelessness, pain and anger.
I see your point. The torrent system is much used for illegal stuff due to the type of system. There is no server with the illegal or legal stuff. All who download also upload, and therefore no particular server is needed. There a lot's of people who write mod's for games (such as Silent Hunter, one of my other fav sim's), who don't have neat sites and forums (like SOH for example), because there is either not enough animo, or no cash to pay for such a place. Mod's for bigger games (developed as freeware with SDK's from developers) sometimes run to large proportions (Gb's). The cheapest way to share with others is the one also used by pirates, sadly enough....torrents. The method is not wrong, it is how this method is misused as well. Hate it torrent sharing has such a bad name due to piracy, while the sharing system itself is rather brilliant. It is up to the honesty, integrity and maturity of the torrent user to not get involved in pirated stuff as well, and just use it for exchange of legal stuff.
Torrents are a aownderful way to spread large files amongst a group of users. The technology behind torrents is brilliant.
The idea that it should be banned is beyond absurd.
Silent hunter MOD's are massive, CFS3 MAW mod was available through a torrent due to its size and thousands upon thousands of unsigned bands etc use them to release there own music.
Pirates are bad, but don't blame the technology as in this case it was never really designed to be used by Pirates.
The idea that it should be banned is beyond absurd.
Silent hunter MOD's are massive, CFS3 MAW mod was available through a torrent due to its size and thousands upon thousands of unsigned bands etc use them to release there own music.
Pirates are bad, but don't blame the technology as in this case it was never really designed to be used by Pirates.
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gajit
Guest
Oh well - who cares then?
I have no vested interest in any developer but I feel that any site that acts as a gateway to obtain copyrite material for free is no better than a pimp or a pusher - but with torrents.
We moan if develpers charge serious money for their products but they must have to budget for quite a large percentage to write off the loss to piracy/theft.
I have no vested interest in any developer but I feel that any site that acts as a gateway to obtain copyrite material for free is no better than a pimp or a pusher - but with torrents.
We moan if develpers charge serious money for their products but they must have to budget for quite a large percentage to write off the loss to piracy/theft.
I totally agree with you regarding the piracy.
But people have the habit to condemn the means over the perpetrators.
I would really have a bad day if the torrents technique is banned. It would force good willing people to actually move to websites, and thus charge for software that was meant to be freeware. purely to cover the costs of a domain or website. Not all game communities are comparable to the flightsim ones. If i had a good solution or alternative to the false usage of torrents, i would be rich by now.
Again, i totally agree with your point made
We all have a vested interest in every FS9/FSX developer. Without them what would our hobby be? How would a developer write in a percentage of loss into their products fee? Just guess-timate?
Pirates.........:karate::taekwondo::tgun2::Banane36: I only hope that someday a thief comes to their home and rips them off! Then they'll know how it feels to be a victim!
Pirates.........:karate::taekwondo::tgun2::Banane36: I only hope that someday a thief comes to their home and rips them off! Then they'll know how it feels to be a victim!
CodyValkyrie
Charter Member 2016
Folks, let's remember what this site is named... The *******. What do you think they make, cornflakes? They are ASKING for this type of use, and they should be punished for it. I say they go the way of NAPSTER. They have the ability to control what goes on through their system, therefor they should be punished for taking no steps to account for it. GoDaddy is another service which falls in my opinion in the same catagory. The SOBs ALLOW many known pirating sites to operate on their servers, however they do very little about it.
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MCDesigns
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But it's not a small issue to someone that spent considerable amount of time on a project only to have it stolen. It's people that don't take it seriously, look the other way, justify why/how it happened that allow it to continue.
The only reason it's a big deal for me is I have had it happen to me and people I know and I/we would gladly like to see these guys disappear for good.
I am most likely going to be shunned for asking this but I am really wondering. Besides the initial cost of buying a program to develop these planes (with the exception of gmax) what kind of money do you put into your products? I mean ya you put time into them and all that but is there actually any money involved? Basically you aren't lsing any money by these "pirates" stealing your products. I understand why you would be angry and i in no way promote pirating but i have been wondering why this is such a sore subject. When it comes down to it they are all just files aren't they?
So your time isn't worth anything? Developers are artists. They paint a picture with a computer and spend a lot of time doing it. It's a business and time is money. It's more than a file. I'd have to say, put yourself in their position then see if it's only a file. Just some thoughts to consider.
N2056
Charter Member
Oh man...where shall I shoot first?
I guess unless you actually spent hundreds of hours learning how to use Gmax (or any of the other programs)...and the artwork program...followed by a whole lot more hours learning the SDK...oh, then there are those gauges that need to be made, and a plausible flight model...and don't forget that you need to optimize all of this stuff to try to work well on every computer on the planet even though all along you know that is a losing battle...
Actually, let's just say it like this...until you have put many hundreds of hours of your time into developing a plane from scratch only to discover that you are losing profit from this sort of BS I guess you'll never get it. It has happened to me, and it has happened to others I know. I hope those guys get sunk!
Just to get an idea of what can be at stake, development costs on a high end add-on payware plane can easily run into thousands of dollars. If that was your money or huge amount (talking months/years) of time on the line how would you feel when you find it being given away & you can't do a d--- thing to stop it?
Ok.. good question......
I make them (FS planes) for a living.. almost a one man team.. Now and then I hire on a person to help me with parts..
I work for months making a plane. I pay people to help me, be it through monthly royalty payments or down payment, or both...
I work day and night on a project, like a writer making a book.. when I say day and night, I can mean from 8AM till 2 or 4 in the morning. Sometimes that is daily.....
To find out, after 10 months of work on the Epic LT, that thousands of stolen copies are freely distributed by cons and thiefs.. I am pretty upset.
If MS, Apple, some small guy that worked his heart out on something, was seeing their stuff being 'given away' on a specific website designed for stealing, you cannot wonder why he would be upset...
Deep hole.... Very deep......
Bill