Aircraft stalling in Combat

[Marty]

I have a Bf110_c5 airfile the speed of the aircraft is great but in combat the plane stalls and goes into a loop. It is soon recovered but the engagement wit the enemy is lost. how do I stop the aircraft from stalling? It stalls even in good speeds. I am looking for a air file with great speed and manageability in combat with a polish PLz fighter. Any ideas?

 

[Rami]

Reply....

Marty,

You can't turn a PZL fighter. With a Bf-110, you should rely on boom and zoom tactics.

 

[Marty]

Not the Question I asked

Marty,

You can't turn a PZL fighter. With a Bf-110, you should rely on boom and zoom tactics.

I wanted to know, how to edit the air file to stop the stall in the aircraft. it stalls a bit during take off and other times. there must be a setting on stalls some where that can be changed to prevent this from happening. I know the tactics, but I am interested in the technical part of the air file editing.

 

[_486_Col_Wolf]

Marty,
Unfortunately, what you are describing are the exact shortcomings that the Bf-110 suffered in combat. It was slow, it cold not outturn any allied single seat fighter and was a failure at defending the bombers it was escorting. It's success only came as a night fighter/interceptor where it had the advantage of stealth at night or speed to catch heavy bombers. These successes were helped by it's heavy armament but that same armament was useless against single seat fighters unless you could get lucky and bring them to bear on a fighter. So, it is what it is and if you're about realism in the sim, just leave it alone and deal with it the way the Luftwaffe pilots had to. Imagine having to fight with a Bristol Beaufighter in the same role.

If you really want to change it though, you might consider swapping the AIR file with one from a good P-38. You could also try different 110 Air files from different makers A/C. All the factors of a twin engine fighter would be there. Changing the stall speed is far to complicated since it requires changing multiple (and some unknown) settings in the AIR file. That is why I recommend changing the complete file. But this also may come with some undesirable and unpredictable consequences.

A third, and in my opinion a better option would be to try entirely different and complete110's from other sources. You may find on that reacts more the way you are hoping for.

 

[UncleTgt]

Whose Bf110 are you using?

BTW the c5 variant is a recon bird with the 20mm removed, & is ahistorical for Poland SEP '39.

IIRC the latest version in service in SEP '39 was the C3.

Rami is correct - Boom & Zoom is the way to go, don't try turning with the slower more agile PZL.

 

[Shadow Wolf 07]

I wanted to know, how to edit the air file to stop the stall in the aircraft. it stalls a bit during take off and other times. there must be a setting on stalls some where that can be changed to prevent this from happening. I know the tactics, but I am interested in the technical part of the air file editing.

Marty, what realism flight model (settings) are you using? If it is set on "hard," you will stall quite easily. Hard setting is for "tournament play and additional challenge." Medium f/m is the most realistic (except for 1% planes) and you will have better, more realistic handling. You can also try adjusting your controller sensitivities.

 

[Ivan]

I wanted to know, how to edit the air file to stop the stall in the aircraft. it stalls a bit during take off and other times. there must be a setting on stalls some where that can be changed to prevent this from happening. I know the tactics, but I am interested in the technical part of the air file editing.

Hello Marty,

There are probably about a half dozen records in the AIR file that affect the Stall characteristics one way or another. To tune them PROPERLY is not a trivial or a quick task. Many of the factors don't directly affect the stall speed but just how quickly one gets down to the stall speed or how easily the stall is avoided.

I also suspect from your descriptions that what you THINK is happening isn't what is really happening. Are you sure that the aeroplane is actually stalling when you think it is?
The comment, "it stalls a bit during take off...." suggests to me that something else is actually happening. A stall usually results in a pitch down because of loss of lift and when you don't have altitude such as during take off, the result is usually a crash.

One way to avoid stalling is to simply fly faster and pull fewer G. If it is still happening when you think it should not be, record how fast you are going in Indicated Air Speed (IAS) and how many G you are pulling when the stall happens. This data will give you an idea of whether the stalls SHOULD be happening or not.

- Ivan.