PirateBay founders jailed

[JIMJAM]

Whether its porn,pipe bomb instructions or planes,if nobody downloaded it, it would just float around in cyber space. I have stumbled across many a payware I could have got for free but 1st I know its wrong and 2nd, I want the company to get paid so they make more.
If neither of the above 2 points have any meaning to you,then I doubt you were going to buy it anyways.
Cloud 9s security caused me so many problems when I upgraded my systems,I stopped buying from them.A few others crashed my system and anything that modifies my registry,requires a personal emailed password or if reinstalling requires alot of hoops to jump through.OFF my HD it goes. Outta here..............
The solution? Hire these geeks.

 

[MCDesigns]

My 2 cents again since I feel strongly about this as someone that has been directly affected and will never get over that feeling of being violated, just like if someone walked into my apt and stole my possessions.

You know, I just realized how wrong I was to blame the PB guys for what they are doing, the real blame belongs on the many, many, many users that have no qualms about stealing (d/ling for free from these types of sites) or deliberately being a total worthless piece of and uploading others peoples hard work for other POS users to share.

It's truly amazing to read thru threads like this and see how differently others justify/condone/condemn illegal/immoral actions. Some look the other way because it is part of their culture/environment, Their friends do it, so it can't be wrong, right? (gotta love weak minded people who succumb to peer pressure) Others justify it because part of one of the ways to try and stop it is an inconvenience to them and they would rather not be inconvenienced than do something that might help to curb this illegal activity. And yes, I have been guilty as well in the past, before it actually affected me directly.

Honestly, if I found out my best friend was uploading others files to a torrent site I would go over to his house and beat the crap out of him and never speak to him again, it is that easy and black and white in my mind.

 

[Henry]

the real blame belongs on the many, many, many users that have no qualms about stealing (d/ling for free from these types of sites) or deliberately being a total worthless piece of and uploading others peoples hard work for other POS users to share.

that was also my point
you just said it better
H

 

[Alexraptor]

Did i miss something? haven't seen anyone here condoning or justifying piracy.

 

[CodyValkyrie]

Did i miss something? haven't seen anyone here condoning or justifying piracy.

To me, I feel many do condone it with thinly vieled attempts to make it seem like the act is not necessarily immoral on THEIR end... Speaking of the guys that own TPB, mind you.

I'm tired of hearing, "well, they aren't hosting illegal files, just torrents, so what they are doing is perfectly legal."

So make it illegal for them to do it.

KISS.

 

[Henry]

I'm tired of hearing, "well, they aren't hosting illegal files, just torrents, so what they are doing is perfectly legal."

So make it illegal for them to do it.

KISS.

yes they are hosting illegal files
and just like a pawn shop who buys stolen goods
they need to be stopped
but if they only hosted legal torrents
it would be fine
but what legal site would use the term Pirate!
H

 

[CodyValkyrie]

yes they are hosting illegal files
and just like a pawn shop who buys stolen goods
they need to be stopped
but if they only hosted legal torrents
it would be fine
but what legal site would use the term Pirate!
H

I have been yelling this from the highest hills. It seems on some other "forums" people don't see eye to eye with us. The people here mostly get it because most of us have some experience modding, are devs, etc.

:woot:

 

[Henry]

They should be prosecuted
for not policing there site
and letting illegal uploads allowed
if we allowed that here
we would also be liable
we do our best to not let that happen
they do there best to close there eyes
or endorse it, probably the latter
there lies the difference
H

 

[warchild]

The problem with the net is that you dont know who can afford something and who cant. Of course I deserve to get paid for what i do. But i also deserve the right to give my work to those i choose, even groups of people, but the network removes that right because in it's virtual amalgamation of ideals and stereotypes, it rmoves the personal senses of whats truly right and wrong, and leaves us blind as to those who truly are deserving of a gift, and those who are little more than hells ****ty cockroaches clammoring for yet one more empty bite of sugar.
Over 90% of the shoplifting crimes in the world are commited by people who can afford to pay for the items they are stealing. The MPAA authorities and other half brained groups in the world want you to only see that 90%, and forget the rest. The rest; The remaining 10% cant afford it, cant pay. They only want to feel for one frikking damned moment somerthing inside that they think normal people feel. They want to forget their hunger, forget their pain, forget the hells they live through, on a moment by moment basis and be just like everyone else, for just a moment. The want to be like the rest of you, so they steal too. Please dont try to tell me i dont know what i'm talking about. I spent 15 years wandering homeless and hungry, and i still fight it on a monthly basis. I know all too well the thinness of the makebekieve perception of security: how easily all these things we take for granted can disappear.
Keep in mind, the MPAA does NOT make movies. It doesnt have a single artist on it's payroll. Instead, it governs movie distribution. It's a middle man. A cockroach like all the roaches out there living off someone elses hard work and claiming it's own right to play god. It's a monster that deserves to die, but this is not the place for that, neither is this the place to discuss moralities and righteousness as i have so blatantly been doing.
I'm glad to see pirate bays founders in jail, though i can assure you, the site remains up. I approve of the words they speak, but not what i am sure was the spirit behind why they spoke them. I hate cowards, and some days, ihate the internet too.
Thoughts are the only things we have which we alone own, for as soon as a thought has been expressed in words, it becomes public property and is no longer our own. Thomas Jefferson:.

 

[BASys]

Hi Folks

yes they are hosting illegal files
and just like a pawn shop who buys stolen goods

Henry -
Again I'm not condoning,
only clarifying a common misconception.

Can't add smileys as majority missing ATM.



Pirate Bay do not host any content files.

Your pawn shop anology is inappropriate.

Think more a public billboard.

All they do is host a user supplied link, (aka torrent),
as a pointer to the user's pc
which hosts the actual content files.

A torrent only contains metadata.
It does not contain the content files.



For info -

To share a file or group of files,
a peer first creates a small file called a "torrent" (e.g. MyFile.torrent).

This file contains metadata about the files to be shared
and about the tracker,
the computer that coordinates the file distribution.
Peers that want to download the file must first obtain a torrent file for it,
and connect to the specified tracker,
which tells them from which other peers to download the pieces of the file.

Users browse the web to find a torrent of interest, download it, and open it with a BitTorrent client.
The client connects to the tracker(s) specified in the torrent file,
from which it receives a list of peers currently transferring pieces of the file(s) specified in the torrent.
The client connects to those peers to obtain the various pieces.
If the swarm contains only the initial seeder,
the client connects directly to it and begins to request pieces.

Pirate Bay -

Only torrent files are saved at the server.
That means no copyrighted and/or illegal material are stored by us.

HTH
ATB
Paul

 

[Henry]

Hi Folks


Henry -
Again I'm not condoning,
only clarifying a common misconception.

Can't add smileys as majority missing ATM.



Pirate Bay do not host any content files.

Your pawn shop anology is inappropriate.

Think more a public billboard.

All they do is host a user supplied link, (aka torrent),
as a pointer to the user's pc
which hosts the actual content files.

A torrent only contains metadata.
It does not contain the content files.




Paul

Ok think of it as putting up a sign
files for transfer
just go get em!
one would think first and check what they are
of course one could close your eyes
does that make you innocent
i think not
H

 

[Henry]

and where else would we get
illegal software
please do not give links!
i have no problems with torrents
just illegal ones
you cannot tell me
that tpb is innocent
H

 

[IanP]

One thing that is very true about all this is that Google are just as guilty of exactly the same things as TPB are - with two exceptions:

1) TPB allows people to look for illegal software without the annoyance of having to go past those irritating places that think you might want to obey the law.

2) Google actually serves up far more links to far more illegal software. But they don't set out to do it, it's just a byproduct of the fact that this stuff is so widespread.

What makes TPB so open to accusation is that they set out to show that they're untouchable and "right", which isn't the case. BASys is totally wrong when he says this is a limitation of free speech and the destruction of the internet. Some people - they're called sociopaths normally - have no idea or care what the effect of their actions is on other people. If you let them do whatever they want, they damage other peoples' lives.

It's an age old argument - with rights come responsibilities. People want the rights, but don't want to show any responsibility whatsoever so you have to have rules and you have to have punishments if people break them. The problem with this, as I will never stop saying until someone does something about it, is that the rules are wrong, out of date and ineffective and the punishments are the same.

It needs to be dealt with and accusing anyone saying that of "siding with the pirates" or announcing that anyone who downloads illegal software should be strung up by their arms and fed slowly into a mincing machine is VERY unhelpful towards coming up with a real solution to a very real problem.

 

[BananaBob]

I definitely agree that stealing anything is wrong and applaud the disdain toward that act but I think there are much more pressing issues right now that deserve this kind of attention, I'm not going to get into what those issues are but we all need to seriously think about them, especially people who believe in the US Constitution, those are the folks I'm referring to.We've become a country that respects men and not the law and that is the reason why people think it's OK to steal. I love all you guys and gals, (not that way LOL) but I'm serious, that is where all these problems originated from. I'm just trying to put things in perspective, don't kill the messenger, LOL

 

[gajit]

I definitely agree that stealing anything is wrong and applaud the disdain toward that act but I think there are much more pressing issues right now that deserve this kind of attention, I'm not going to get into what those issues are but we all need to seriously think about them, especially people who believe in the US Constitution, those are the folks I'm referring to.We've become a country that respects men and not the law and that is the reason why people think it's OK to steal. I love all you guys and gals, (not that way LOL) but I'm serious, that is where all these problems originated from. I'm just trying to put things in perspective, don't kill the messenger, LOL

Your not wrong Bob. But it must be getting confusing for youngsters now to consider this as stealing as downloading is a way of life to them - just taken for granted - if you dont get charged then it must be free?!?!.

That is why I feel that it is those "aiding" the theft deserve all they get - the pirates deserve shutdown as well as prison.

The whole thing is now weird. If I like a record I hear on the radio I dont bother to buy it to start with - just listen/watch on utube. Ok - if im still keen to play one on anything other than my pc i then buy it. But that is only say 2 out of 20 tunes. In the past I might have purchased 50% of them. I feel sad for the artists but Im not doing anything illegal.

 

[BASys]

Hi Folks

Ian -
Intended as light-hearted, but smileys still not available.

One thing that is very true about all this is that
Google are just as guilty of exactly the same things as TPB are

From a legal pov, Google are worse.

Their robots actively -
- go out and crawl the net
- enter your site without permission
- impair your site's performance whilst indexing
- collect, rank, and then publicise all your content
- store copies of that content
- regularly return to repeat all above

And they think its perfectly acceptable to do so.

Furthermore
Google consider it your duty
to fit locks preventing them entering your premises.

Of course,
some may be of the opinion that
Google are offering a valuable service,
and that outweighs your rights and copyright.

Theft is theft.
No matter who carries it out.

BASys is totally wrong when he says
this is a limitation of free speech
and the destruction of the internet.

Please -
a) Do not misquote/attribute statements/viewpoints to me.
b) Go back and re-read what I'd posted,
You'll find I said nothing of the sort whatsoever.



What I did say was -

WRT case-law -
Providers of a mechanism
are now liable for its content.

i.e.
Woolies, Walmart, or whoever,
as providers/distibutors of knives
could now be held liable as accessories to murder, (in Sweden only ATM),
because they sold the knife.

On a more FS related note.
This equates to a positive outcome for FS users -
Distributors of FS products
can no longer use disclaimers to limit their liability
for any effect of their product on your FSX's FPS.

Simpler explanation.

You as a webmaster,
are responsible for ALL linked material accessible from your site.

You link to a site hosting porn,
you are responsible.

That was sensibly circumventable,
by the inclusion of a disclaimer,
distancing your liability from any external site's content.

This Swedish PB case
removes that disclaimer circumvention.



I assume the inference was unintentional,
but I'd appreciate insertion of clearspace/newlines
between -
- what you claimed I was saying,
and -
- your sociopaths statement.

Some people - they're called sociopaths normally - have no idea or care what the effect of their actions is on other people.

HTH
ATB
Paul

 

[Alexraptor]

Thats one of the reasons why there are so many protests here in sweden... it really has nothing to do with the illegal filesharing, but basicly if it stays the way it is(they loose their appeals) it pretty much invalidates a lot of other legal rights and priviliges and convolutes the entire legal system.

Basicly... a knife salesman could now with this be charged as an accomplice to murder if he sold someone a knife which the buyer killed people with.
So the implications of the entire court case are much more far reaching than a little bit of piracy.

 

[BASys]

i have no problems with torrents
just illegal ones

Henry -
You've entirely missed the point.

There is no such thing as an illegal torrent. (well there could be, but not in the context of TPB).

A torrent file is only metadata, (who where, how).

ATB
Paul

 

[Z-PurpleBubble]

Finally some sense!

Hi Folks

Your personal freedoms have just been further eroded.

This case-law precedent
effectively allows anyone with enough financial clout
to override commonsense, (in Sweden only so far).



Not in any way defending their behaviour,
only providing objective comment.

Remember -
The Pirate Bay themselves, are not the pirates.

They host no content.
They only provide a contact mechanism.

That's for any user
who wishes to redistribute content,
whether cosidered legal or otherwise.

No matter what their chosen brand-name,
or bravado based philosophy posted statements might infer.



They're just using a perfectly legal mechanism,
to allow their customers to share files.



WRT case-law -
Providers of a mechanism
are now liable for its content.

i.e.
Woolies, Walmart, or whoever,
as providers/distibutors of knives
could now be held liable as accessories to murder, (in Sweden only ATM),
because they sold the knife.

On a more FS related note.
This equates to a positive outcome for FS users -
Distributors of FS products
can no longer use disclaimers to limit their liability
for any effect of their product on your FSX's FPS.



Pirate Bay's key downfall, (from a legal perspective),
being that they refused to remove contested content.

Bottom-line
The seeders of pirated content are making no profit.
AND
There's not been any tie-up whatsoever,
that confirms the Pirate Bay team have ever seeded.



Google beware,
You're next !

Unlike Pirate Bay
Google actually hosts content,
through their cached mechanism, (YMMV).



On a personal note
I'm now boycotting all Swedish products,
with the intent of destabilising the Swedish economy.

To that end -
I've just cancelled my orders for -
- 3 x JAS39 Grippen fighters
- 8 x Bofors 57 MK3 guns
- 4 x Visby corvettes, (2 x MK3 Bofors per vessel)
- 20 x Scania trucks
- New Volvo XC60 estate
Also -
- Binned my Ericsson phone
- Subscription to Swedish porn mags.
Hoping you'll all take a similar approach. :ernae:


Disclaimer -
All the above may be utter rubish, (ATM),
but if I win the lottery tomorrow night,
I'll force the issue in court.



Paris -
Coz from experience,
she knows better !



ATB
Paul

Thanks for providing us with this refreshing insight! This is no joke or pun, I just can't agree with you more!! (except for Paris that is!)

Cheers,

PB

 

[war.ace]

I wonder if they'll catch the people in charge of mininova