Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
But they host the torrents
they have a choice as to what ones
they host
as i have a choice of what links are allowed
i saw a direct link to a torrent here in a similar thread
i deleted it
is not that the same?
H
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they have a choice as to what ones
they host
as i have a choice of what links are allowed
i saw a direct link to a torrent here in a similar thread
i deleted it
is not that the same?
H
Alexraptor
Charter Member
One small problem, literally millions use bittorent, and an even greater amount of files are available.
To actually moderate it would require massive amount of resources... but ultimatley it would be futile as users would eventually just start to hide illegal files by having some name like battlefield_pictures or something less appearant.
To actually moderate it would require massive amount of resources... but ultimatley it would be futile as users would eventually just start to hide illegal files by having some name like battlefield_pictures or something less appearant.
Hi Folks
Henry -
Again I'm not condoning.
As site admin you're fully right to choose.
However
I personally wouldn't be deleting it, just because its a torrent.
I'd delete it based on whether the linked file content was legal or not.
Lots of Linux distros are released using BitTorrent.
As are the multi-GB photosceneries for -
- NL2000
- Horizon GenX Updates
HTH
ATB
Paul
Henry -
Again I'm not condoning.
As site admin you're fully right to choose.
However
I personally wouldn't be deleting it, just because its a torrent.
I'd delete it based on whether the linked file content was legal or not.
Lots of Linux distros are released using BitTorrent.
As are the multi-GB photosceneries for -
- NL2000
- Horizon GenX Updates
HTH
ATB
Paul
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
I would not delete it because its a torrent
i would delete it because its an illegal torrent
as i have stated torrents are not all bad
if that was the case id be pushing for banning bitlord
etc, yup and Maw is also a torrent
and a perfectly legit one
maybe i have not made myself clear
i only have a problem with illegal files
not legal
i hope some people do know the difference
H
Bjoern
worst developer ever
Yep, just burned all my IKEA furniture and household accessories. It's a bit empty in the flat now but at least my conscience is clean.
Also, since those pesky site owners are swedish this toally calls for an invasion and occupation.
Now where did I leave my tank?!
:costumes:
Henry
Retired SOH Administrator
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Z-PurpleBubble
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Breaking news! One of the judges was a member of copyright protection organisations
<title></title>Pirate Bay lawyer calls for retrial
<!-- Article Start --> Published: 23 Apr 09 08:53 CET Online: http://www.thelocal.se/19028/20090423/
A lawyer representing one of the men convicted in the Pirate Bay trial has called for a retrial after reports that the judge was a member of the same copyright protection organisations as several of the main entertainment industry representatives.
The judge in the Pirate Bay case, Tomas Norström, has been a member of several of the same copyright protection organisations as several of the main entertainment industry representatives, Sveriges Radio's P3 news programme reports.
Peter Althin, the lawyer who represents Pirate Bay spokesperson Peter Sunde, has announced that he plans to demand a retrial.
"I will point that out in my appeal, then the Court of Appeal (Hovrätten) will decide if the district court decision should be set aside and the case revisited," Althin said on Thursday.
Althin is very critical of the judge's actions in the case and argues that the defence should have had an opportunity to review the circumstances.
"In the autumn I received information that a lay judge could have similar connections. I sent these to the court and the judge was excluded in order to prevent a conflict of interest. It would have been reasonable to then review this situation as well," Althin said.
Ola Samuelsson, the lawyer representing Gottfried Svartholm Warg, concurred with Althin in his assessment of the situation.
"All types of interest conflicts are a problem for the judiciary. It should be a matter of course as a judge to ensure that you keep your house in order. This is a high profile case and that is an additional reason to keep a check," Samuelsson said.
Samuelsson said on Thursday that he has not yet decided whether to join Per Althin and demand a retrial.
High profile attorney Leif Silbersky is one of a number of experts who concurred with Althin and Samuelsson in believing that judge Norström's various memberships represent a conflict of interest.
"A retrial is a possibility, but in that case the lawyers will have to take this up immediately," Silbersky told Sveriges Radio.
Pirate Party chairman Rickard Falkvinge has called for the verdict to be scrapped. "The copyright lobby has really managed to bring corruption to Sweden," he said in a statement.
One of the groups of which Norström is a signed up member is Svenska föreningen för upphovsrätt ('the Swedish Copyright Association'), where he is joined by Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky and Monique Wadsted, all of whom represented the entertainment industry in the case against file sharing site The Pirate Bay.
The judge also sits on the board of Svenska föreningen för industriellt rättsskydd (Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property), a group actively advocating for more stringent copyright laws.
Norström argues that he was not however swayed in his judgement by involvement with copyright protection groups. "My view has been that these activities do not constitute a conflict of interest," Norström told Sveriges Radio. <!-- Article End -->
<!-- Author Start --> TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se/08 656 6518)
<title></title>Pirate Bay lawyer calls for retrial
<!-- Article Start --> Published: 23 Apr 09 08:53 CET Online: http://www.thelocal.se/19028/20090423/
A lawyer representing one of the men convicted in the Pirate Bay trial has called for a retrial after reports that the judge was a member of the same copyright protection organisations as several of the main entertainment industry representatives.
The judge in the Pirate Bay case, Tomas Norström, has been a member of several of the same copyright protection organisations as several of the main entertainment industry representatives, Sveriges Radio's P3 news programme reports.
Peter Althin, the lawyer who represents Pirate Bay spokesperson Peter Sunde, has announced that he plans to demand a retrial.
"I will point that out in my appeal, then the Court of Appeal (Hovrätten) will decide if the district court decision should be set aside and the case revisited," Althin said on Thursday.
Althin is very critical of the judge's actions in the case and argues that the defence should have had an opportunity to review the circumstances.
"In the autumn I received information that a lay judge could have similar connections. I sent these to the court and the judge was excluded in order to prevent a conflict of interest. It would have been reasonable to then review this situation as well," Althin said.
Ola Samuelsson, the lawyer representing Gottfried Svartholm Warg, concurred with Althin in his assessment of the situation.
"All types of interest conflicts are a problem for the judiciary. It should be a matter of course as a judge to ensure that you keep your house in order. This is a high profile case and that is an additional reason to keep a check," Samuelsson said.
Samuelsson said on Thursday that he has not yet decided whether to join Per Althin and demand a retrial.
High profile attorney Leif Silbersky is one of a number of experts who concurred with Althin and Samuelsson in believing that judge Norström's various memberships represent a conflict of interest.
"A retrial is a possibility, but in that case the lawyers will have to take this up immediately," Silbersky told Sveriges Radio.
Pirate Party chairman Rickard Falkvinge has called for the verdict to be scrapped. "The copyright lobby has really managed to bring corruption to Sweden," he said in a statement.
One of the groups of which Norström is a signed up member is Svenska föreningen för upphovsrätt ('the Swedish Copyright Association'), where he is joined by Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky and Monique Wadsted, all of whom represented the entertainment industry in the case against file sharing site The Pirate Bay.
The judge also sits on the board of Svenska föreningen för industriellt rättsskydd (Swedish Association for the Protection of Industrial Property), a group actively advocating for more stringent copyright laws.
Norström argues that he was not however swayed in his judgement by involvement with copyright protection groups. "My view has been that these activities do not constitute a conflict of interest," Norström told Sveriges Radio. <!-- Article End -->
<!-- Author Start --> TT/The Local (news@thelocal.se/08 656 6518)
krazycolin
Banned
And it gets worse yet... (and please, don't think I'm advocating piracy here... just the law)... Apparently that same judge ruled that a juror was to be dismissed because they were part of those same groups and would therefore be subjective to the plaintiffs case.
Though I am against piracy, I sure wouldn't want the judge in my case, whatever it could be, on the side of the opposition in ANY way... that would scare me lots.
Alexraptor
Charter Member
By the way, a Swedish author recently made one of her works available on Pirate Bay....for free.
Studies have even shown that filesharing has enormous potential for free advertisement which some people actually have taken advantage of.
Studies have even shown that filesharing has enormous potential for free advertisement which some people actually have taken advantage of.
It was actually a Lay Judge who was dismissed - although by request of the defence (upheld by the court), not by the judge himself.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/04/23/pirate_bay_judge_accused_of_bias/
It's a politically motivated, vested interests funded, trial. I think everyone knows my position by now (for those who don't, I'm anti-piracy, but pro doing it properly and not lynch mobs) but this farce of a case really does no-one any good at all on either side.
SpaceWeevil
SOH-CM-2024
It's interesting how this has polarised opinions - invective and satisfaction from many people on the one hand, slight defensiveness on t'other from those who like to use torrents for the intended purpose. It seems pretty clear to me that (Linux prop heads apart, possibly) the huge majority of torrent traffic is the illegal sharing of copyrighted material - I mean you only have to LOOK. If a technology is used overwhelmingly for illegal or immoral purposes, I wonder where that leaves the argument that the technology itself is benign? That's a question by the way, not a statement, but it does seem that crime is so much easier and more likely if you have the means easily to hand.
But once you start "blaming" the tool for the crime, where do you stop? Should we ban cars? They make getaways far easier. What about knives? If we had no knives... people would stab each other with plastic forks.
Seriously, blaming the technology for the rise in breach of copyright is plain silly, I'm afraid. Torrents and cracks don't create themselves - people make them. Those people are at fault, not the technology.
The problem here is that the "law abiding majority" is, probably by now, the "law abiding minority". Why? Because the law is seen as clearly wrong by a heck of a lot of people. Whether it's the fact that legally, you are not allowed to rip music from a CD to your own personal computer (the case in the UK), or the fact that some organisations use copy protection systems that are in the very dark grey area of legal themselves (the Sony "rootkit")... and then add the fact that it's true, people don't want to pay for things! The easiest way to get visitors to your website is to advertise it with the word "FREE!" as a banner.
It's not a black and white issue. It's not "bad people" versus "good people", it's a problem with the law as it exists that needs addressing in a way that doesn't totally destroy one side of the discussion. Are you really - as has already been suggested here - going to prosecute and jail everyone who has ever downloaded an illegal music file? You'll empty the schools pretty quick for starters, and the boardrooms and the offices, the universities... Probably most Police stations worldwide as well!
Yes, people do it because it is easy, but more because it is seen as a "victimless crime". As I said before - are you going to ban all cars because "most people speed", as some surveys apparently "prove"?
Seriously, blaming the technology for the rise in breach of copyright is plain silly, I'm afraid. Torrents and cracks don't create themselves - people make them. Those people are at fault, not the technology.
The problem here is that the "law abiding majority" is, probably by now, the "law abiding minority". Why? Because the law is seen as clearly wrong by a heck of a lot of people. Whether it's the fact that legally, you are not allowed to rip music from a CD to your own personal computer (the case in the UK), or the fact that some organisations use copy protection systems that are in the very dark grey area of legal themselves (the Sony "rootkit")... and then add the fact that it's true, people don't want to pay for things! The easiest way to get visitors to your website is to advertise it with the word "FREE!" as a banner.
It's not a black and white issue. It's not "bad people" versus "good people", it's a problem with the law as it exists that needs addressing in a way that doesn't totally destroy one side of the discussion. Are you really - as has already been suggested here - going to prosecute and jail everyone who has ever downloaded an illegal music file? You'll empty the schools pretty quick for starters, and the boardrooms and the offices, the universities... Probably most Police stations worldwide as well!
Yes, people do it because it is easy, but more because it is seen as a "victimless crime". As I said before - are you going to ban all cars because "most people speed", as some surveys apparently "prove"?
Which brings us back to square one;
Dont run over people on purpose in your car
Dont go around shooting people
Dont shoplift
and.....
Dont openly distribute payware, copyrighted materials, especially if people and companies that own said material are asking you not to distribute them freely.
:d
Dont run over people on purpose in your car
Dont go around shooting people
Dont shoplift
and.....
Dont openly distribute payware, copyrighted materials, especially if people and companies that own said material are asking you not to distribute them freely.
:d
Tim_Horton
Charter Member
i would like to be part of the team distributing the said 3.7 million dollars. How is that even possible, and where does that money go? in the pocket of some rich Baron who has no problem dumping toxic waste into the ocean, or cutting corners on building projects and killing hundreds of people. But most likely it will be put back into the moral and up lifting honest system of Pornographic movies and articles. Cause the world really needs to degrade the women some more and make sure they stay trash....btw how are they going to get 3.7 million? advertising on their website? Napster got shut down due to files being present on servers, PB got their servers raided, I watched the video and all the police could do was shrug their shoulders. the appeal and court hearings will take up most of this "said 3.7 million" but im sure the guy who created "hunt Bin Laden" game posted all over these sites is going to get nothing... poor guy..
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Z-PurpleBubble
Guest
And:
Don't jail and fine people because they provide a search engine for torrents, you could just as well do the same to google or yahoo.
Mr.Lionheart, go to google or yahoo, type in any name of any of your products and add the word torrent, rapidshare or megaupload. See what comes out. Are google and yahoo pirates? of course they are not, yet they provide exactly the same service as the pirate bay.
I'll get off me soapbox before I get into trouble.
PB
But you have the choice not to download from the links provided, the same as you have the choice not to upload a torrent found via either source. That's Bill's point and you cannot disagree that it is very valid. 
Edited to add: TPB are and always have been aware that their primary use is for illegal files. They have made no effort to remove links when informed that they are doing so and have, instead, posted offensive and sarcastic replies to anyone who has asked them to do so. Hardly fine upstanding members of society, are they?
Edited to add: TPB are and always have been aware that their primary use is for illegal files. They have made no effort to remove links when informed that they are doing so and have, instead, posted offensive and sarcastic replies to anyone who has asked them to do so. Hardly fine upstanding members of society, are they?
Tim_Horton
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Ferry_vO
Retired SOH Administrator
Wow, in only six words you have insulted everyone who lives in Amsterdam and probably in the rest of the Netherlands as well..
Of course you have also shown you barely know what you are talking about, as the people from The Pirate Bay come from Sweden, a country at least 400 miles northeast of Amsterdam...
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