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Thunderbirds radomes appearing at shows without paint

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Maybe some sort shortage of painted noses or something?

That nose is nothing more than a radome. They appeared several times this year with grey nose radomes. My best guess is that they are going through them so fast for some reason that they can't keep the painted ones on. That's usually our story when we have odd colored parts flying around on the jets. Usually we only do that when a jet is needed IMMEDIATELY, and then the part gets painted later. I don't know about their multiple jets and appearances like this though.
 
I don't see any crowd... Practice? Planes's areen't painted up for air show day yet?
 
Nope, that so called unpainted one was hot doggin it and got caught up in somebodies afterburner..... burnt the paint right off. Now as punishment he's got to go to all the shows with no nose paint. Embarassssing fer him.
 
That's somewhat dissapointing to find that kind of airmanship displayed by them. Oh well, I guess if there's an aircraft you'd want to go through a thunderstorm in, it'd be a fighter. The high wing loading makes it easier.
 
That's somewhat dissapointing to find that kind of airmanship displayed by them. Oh well, I guess if there's an aircraft you'd want to go through a thunderstorm in, it'd be a fighter. The high wing loading makes it easier.


Que? Poor airmanship?
 
Que? Poor airmanship?

Absolutely. No pilot has any business in a thunderstorm, no matter the skill or aircraft. As a flight instructor, I can tell you that every syllabus used includes the FAA's mandatory lessons about avoidance. Most instructors teach that thunderstorms should be avoided by 20NM.

To make the decision to fly through a thunderstorm because you think you'll make it or it won't be that bad is HORRIBLE decision making and poor airmanship.

To inadvertantly end up in a thunderstorm for any reason means the same.

The only way that radome damage like this occurs (and I'm speaking from experience) is from flying through areas painted with heavy rain or hail. The rain inside a cell is such that even at landing speeds it will wreck radar absorbent structures.

There's no way around the fact that this is a display of poor airmanship.
 
Chalk me up to one of those with poor airmanship. I will disagree with you on this subject.
 
might I ask why you disagree? I just got done speaking with a weapons school graduate who agrees with me.
 
What we don't know is the following:
a) Was it unexpected weather?
b) Did they have enough fuel to divert?
c) Did area ATC vector them away or no?


Unkown factor:
The report is dated 6 April. The airshow was 4-5 April. The 6 April report stated "inclement weather 2 days ago" (meaning 4 April). I've never known the Thunderbirds to arrive the DAY of an airshow. They're at least 24 hours early.

These are but a few factors as to why I don't make a decision one way or the other until after the mishap report..
 
What we don't know is the following:
a) Was it unexpected weather?
That doesn't matter. These things are very hard to explain to someone who isn't a pilot. I don't mean any offense by assuming you're not, I apologize if you are. Anyway, a PIC's responsibilities do not have any accords for accidentally encountering weather. There are way too many resources available to pilots of all kinds before and during a flight. With these aviators, the onboard radar really ices the cake.

b) Did they have enough fuel to divert?
If they did not have enough fuel to divert, they were flying illegaly. That would be another display of poor airmanship. You are right though, let us not assume things like that until we hear more. We may never hear more though, given the public eyes on the T-birds.



c) Did area ATC vector them away or no?
ATC's primary and first responsibility before all others is separating IFR traffic. Everything else falls in behind, such as separating VFR traffic and guiding pilots around weather. No matter what the case, it again falls onto the PIC's shoulders to not accept any ATC instruction which, if followed out, would jeopardize the safety of the flight. Even if ATC vectored them directly into a super cell, it is still their fault. Those without radar don't fly into areas where you cannot see t-storms (IMC/night)and the prevailing atmospheric conditions are conducive to their formation. Those with radar REALLY don't have an excuse.



The report is dated 6 April. The airshow was 4-5 April. The 6 April report stated "inclement weather 2 days ago" (meaning 4 April). I've never known the Thunderbirds to arrive the DAY of an airshow. They're at least 24 hours early.:


I've seen them arrive the day of, I've seen them arrive the day before and not practice, and I've seen them arrive three days before to begin practicing. I don't know how they choose what they'll do. Many years ago I saw them perform an 'arrival' show at the beginning of the travis airshow in the morning, then perform a 'departure' show at the end of the afternoon. Both shows were short, like if you cut the show in half. They literally weren't at the show before they began the arrival show, and landed for a few hours, then left without stopping for gas immediately after the departure show. Who knows.


These are but a few factors as to why I don't make a decision one way or the other until after the mishap report..
It really is hard to explain a pilot's responsibilities to a non-pilot. If they flew their aircraft into conditions which damaged them, they are at fault. This is a case where they are guilty (because of the radome damage) and must prove innocence. Right now, I can't think of any combination of factors which would relinquish them of their responsibility to not fly their aircraft into damaging weather.

Where's N2056? I'd sure like to hear his take on this. I don't know if he's an instrument guy or an instructor or not though.
 
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