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Open Letter To Developers

IanP

Didn't quite escape.
I lied. As much as this hobby and the people within it annoy me, for some unfathomable reason, I really do care. Probably because I want "right" to triumph over "wrong". Naive maybe, but at least I'm prepared to stick my neck out for what I believe in.

The reason I am so vehement about insisting that people stick to the correct legal terms and not emotive but false accusations is that trying to get illegal uploading or downloading classified as theft is not going to happen, and for very good reason. The effects of a theft are far greater - whether a developer wants to admit that or not - than of someone illegally uploading copyrighted software. I really shouldn't need to explain why again, but I was not merely throwing a paddy in the aisle by telling you to get that through your skulls, I am trying to help you get what you want.

What is entirely achievable, if enough weight is put behind it, is getting the Copyright laws brought up to date to represent the world as it now stands and as it is most likely to move forward. There still needs to be categorisation of the offence - for profit, not for profit - and the effect of the offence has to be taken into consideration, but the law must be changed for this problem to be dealt with.

I am not a lawyer. All I have is my own feelings of what is right and what is wrong, but it's clear as day to me that right now none of you are doing a damned thing to help yourselves, individually.

So here is my challenge to all those who are complaining about their add-ons (specifically commercial add-ons in this case) being illegally uploaded and distributed.

One of you per country, I don't care who, with the evidence to prove the damage done - as you claim here to have - will step forward and say that you will contact the appropriate authority in your country and request a meeting with your appropriate representative to discuss a request for a change in the law. ALL other developers in that country need to support the person who puts forward the request.

The change to the law is this: That the act of uploading or making available copyrighted material without authorisation be moved from civil law to criminal, in order to reflect the damage that is being done by out of date and no longer relevant legislation. That regardless of the destination of that material (e.g. a server in a foreign country or a distributed Peer-to-Peer network), if the material is uploaded from within the sovereign territory to which the law applies, then the crime shall be taken to have occured within that country and can be tried within that country.

Note one thing. As developers, YOU will need to provide the evidence. YOU will need to be prepared to make your case and support it. You will need to find developers from outside the FS industry and convince them to support you as well. I, or any other user or developer of non-commercial software, can do very little but offer our support.

Individual developers, as John says on the other thread, are not in a position to do this alone. You will need to do something utterly unheard of in this industry and, regardless of target market, regardless of product quality or past disagreements, WORK TOGETHER.

Is anyone prepared to do this?
 
Sure individual developers are in a position present evidence , we keep records and when a licence is reused on multiple computers in different locations we know it. this isn’t torrent upload , it's file sharing between friends " Lilly White Piracy " .<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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We DO have all the sales and activation records , what kind of response would there be if we did share them Ian...?

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, we keep records and when a licence is reused on multiple computers in different locations we know it. this isn’t torrent upload , it's file sharing between friends " Lilly White Piracy " .<o:p></o:p>

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not necessarily... what I wrote in the other thread is that while I was in college we had laptops we leased from the aviation department. Every year we got a new one, and so we changed PC's often, also the IP address would change when moving dorms, I think I moved 8 times during college, at least. I would imagine there is a lot of college folk doing the same things....I knew a couple of guys from my level had the same thing going on. I was accused of piracy by addon devs when I spent my 5 years there...
 
Sure individual developers are in a position present evidence , we keep records and when a licence is reused on multiple computers in different locations we know it. this isn’t torrent upload , it's file sharing between friends " Lilly White Piracy " .<o:p></o:p>
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We DO have all the sales and activation records , what kind of response would there be if we did share them Ian...?

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What response has there been when people have sat there and complained about the numbers?

I've never tried this before. I can't make promises, I can't guarantee anything, I don't even know how the system works in the US. I do know that small groups of people and individuals have achieved changes in the law. I also know that the current methods being used are unpopular with every single person involved except big music and big movies, who don't want illegal uploading stopped, they want to make money off that distribution system without actually doing anything different than they are now.

They're not the ones going bust. You are. The best outcome of this is that the law gets changed to something that works. The worst outcome is that the situation gets no worse than it already is.

I'm not asking people to donate money, I'm not asking people to stand on street corners with placards (you'd get beaten up by the Metropolitain Police for daring to try and do that in London right now). I'm suggesting that people speak to their elected representatives, make sure that they know the true situation and to talk between themselves and co-ordinate a response rather than trying to fight a million losing battles.
 
are you saying that if i build another computer i'm supposed to buy all my add-ons a 2nd time? and if i just re-use the ones i have already paid for them i am a pirate?
 
The kind of fair use a single clients records indicate when the installs are over a long period are quite different than those generated when the multiple installs are over a week or two and in different countries.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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The former isn’t piracy , the latter is and there are enough of the latter to prove my point , again the question what would happen if these records were used to present evidence ? who would lose ? , sadly the developer. <o:p></o:p>
 
copyright laws are pretty black and white here
at least in the photo business [not a pun]
but proving it is a different story
it comes down to the individual
who is supplying the copy to report it
and not copy it or supply it
ignorance is bliss in many cases
and lawyers will not take them on
hill wheres the money
just an observation
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I have presented evidence that i have been ripped off and have been vilified over and over. Here. That's how.

And you are now asking that I should band together with those same people that have ripped me off? HUH?

nuff said.
but is not that another story altogether
we are talking about pirates downloading
not anything else
You wanna hear my stories about how ive been spat on
this is not the place or the time
im not competing but ill give you a run for your money
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I too see my stuff pirated..I search sometimes my stuff to see how things are going and the whole first 2 pages are mostly torrent pages.. I say fight fire with fire..set up a donation to hire an (Super) hacker expert and let them hack some of those sites with killer viruses..Just like they (Hackers) have done to Sim outhouse/Avsim and others so on in the past..Do not we have someone here with connections and smarts to do something like that?..Its all Fire in love and war :pop4:
 
I too see my stuff pirated..I search sometimes my stuff to see how things are going and the whole first 2 pages are mostly torrent pages.. I say fight fire with fire..set up a donation to hire an (Super) hacker expert and let them hack some of those sites with killer viruses..Just like they (Hackers) have done to Sim outhouse/Avsim and others so on in the past..Do not we have someone here with connections and smarts to do something like that?..Its all Fire in love and war :pop4:

If I were to hire a hacker, it would be to put some very malicious code into a copy of my own models - and then upload them to pirate sites myself. I would think that people would soon stop downloading anything with that company name on it.

Mike
 
Copyright violation is EXACTLY what is happening to me. One of the developers in question is selling my model WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. That is PIRACY. No? Please, correct me if I am wrong in that sense because I am really starting to wonder if I am the only one who sees what's going on....
 
And Mike, if you were to put that "code" into play and it destroyed someone's pute, they could sue you and you would lose.

what a world.
 
It would be awesome to come up with unbreakable software so that piracy would be massively difficult.

Just remember though, if you do what the enemy does, you have become one of them. Dont wind up in a Chinese prison. What goes around shall surely come around. Dont go down the wrong path...

Thats my humble advice. Your idea's sound great, but they also sound a tad evil. I would work on securities first, see if there are new technologies to keep it from happening.. (like an auto-plane delete when its tampered with in a certain way, etc).


Bill
 
Copyright violation is EXACTLY what is happening to me. One of the developers in question is selling my model WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT. That is PIRACY. No? Please, correct me if I am wrong in that sense because I am really starting to wonder if I am the only one who sees what's going on....

No Collin, I would have to say that's not Piracy. I would call that getting screwed by a business partner. Either way it sucks, but being a victim of Piracy would probably be easier to stomach.
 
And Mike, if you were to put that "code" into play and it destroyed someone's pute, they could sue you and you would lose.

what a world.

I'm sure it could be written in a way that would not to detroy anyone's computer. How about just erase the 'Airplanes' folder?

Mike
 
FSD's software protection does that "hiding thing". (not the whole folder) and so far, (fingers crossed) it's working. I highly recommend them...

My stomach is KILLING me.... ah well...
 
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