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B-9 Glen Martin Bomber

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Blondi

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I know we have discussed the B-9 bomber before. Most concider it an obscure early 30's bomber which was pretty much retired before WW2.I recently ran acrossed some info about it. In 1941/42 the Dutch Airforce had 116 Glen Martin Bombers which was the export version of the B-9 Bomber.These were all in the Dutch East Indies and flew against the invading Japanese.As near as I can tell none survived. I guess I have a soft spot for guys who flew old crates like this against the more modern Japanese aircraft and died protecting their country. I think any aircraft that saw combat should be availabe for CFS2. So how come no one has made one?Every once in a while I put in my oar for aircraft no one has made yet so this is my quest for this one:a1451:. Also we still need the workhorses of the Japanese Navy . The E8N Dave seaplane,and the E7K2 Alf seaplane.

BLONDI:cost1:
 
Blondi said:
I know we have discussed the B-9 bomber before. Most concider it an obscure early 30's bomber which was pretty much retired before WW2.I recently ran acrossed some info about it. In 1941/42 the Dutch Airforce had 116 Glen Martin Bombers which was the export version of the B-9 Bomber.These were all in the Dutch East Indies and flew against the invading Japanese.As near as I can tell none survived. I guess I have a soft spot for guys who flew old crates like this against the more modern Japanese aircraft and died protecting their country. I think any aircraft that saw combat should be availabe for CFS2. So how come no one has made one?Every once in a while I put in my oar for aircraft no one has made yet so this is my quest for this one:a1451:. Also we still need the workhorses of the Japanese Navy . The E8N Dave seaplane,and the E7K2 Alf seaplane.

BLONDI:cost1:
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The Dutch used Glenn Martin Model 139WH bombers, very similar to Martin B-10 USAAC aircrafts. Payakan build all range. Nine of them survived the Japanese attack and were sold to Thailand, country that used the Martin bombers before WW2 beginning. The Boeing B-9 never saw combat. Only seven were built and flown and were retired when the B-10 entered service.

Cheers

Pepe
 
Hi Pepe,This is where I got the info from=

The Aerial Defense of the Netherlands East Indies and the United States Army Air Force in the Defense of Java, 1942
by Michael Gough

----Dutch Air Force. On November 30, 1941, the Dutch Air Force (DAF) in the NEI had 120 fighters.[26] There were 72 Brewster B-339s (essentially export versions of Brewster "Buffalos"), 24 Curtiss Hawk 75As (export versions of the USAAF P-36), and 24 Curtiss-Wright CW-21B ("Demons," single seat, single-engine, low-wing monoplanes with no armor, little armament and very fast climb[27]).[28] The DAF's 116 bombers were export versions of Martin B-9s[29] (called "Glenn Martins"). The NEI Air Force had more fighters (120 compared to 97) and more bombers (116 compared to 50) than the United States Far East Air Force (FEAF) in the Philippines in December 1941[30], but its equipment was more obsolete. The USAFF history summed it up, "In January 1942 its [the Dutch Air Force's] approximately 150 planes were all of ancient make.---


apparently Mr. Gough made a mistake in his Aircraft identification.Thanks for the correction .We still need someone to make one.:icon_lol:

BLONDI:cost1:
 
Blondi said:
Also we still need the workhorses of the Japanese Navy . The E8N Dave seaplane,and the E7K2 Alf seaplane.
BLONDI
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Both of these planes would be nice additions to CFS2 and/or FS9, along with a couple other IJN pre-war tailhook types.
 
I have searched my sources and the only US Bomber i can find in a B-9 series is the YIB-9. The first Martin's i find after that is the B-10, the B-12 and a couple of test products. The B-9 I found was a Boeing product.
 
TARPSBird said:
That's the one Cowboy. Only seven of 'em made, including the prototypes.
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I guess I got some really really bad info.I should have caught that it was a Boeing instead of a Martin. I guess I was really asleep at the stick.:redf:

BLONDI:cost1:
 
Blondi, we all get a little smarter every time we get on these forums. :) I've seen photos of the Boeing B-9 before but I had no idea only seven were produced, or that the plane was a refinement of Boeing's Monomail design. I provided some photo assistance to Richard van Hien (Payakan) for his B-10's so I knew those were the birds the Dutch had at the outset of WWII.
 
TARPSBird said:
Blondi, we all get a little smarter every time we get on these forums. :) I've seen photos of the Boeing B-9 before but I had no idea only seven were produced, or that the plane was a refinement of Boeing's Monomail design. I provided some photo assistance to Richard van Hien (Payakan) for his B-10's so I knew those were the birds the Dutch had at the outset of WWII.
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Payakan's father fought in one of them at WW2 as a rear gunner.
 
Just a thought.....as to wheather or not a plane saw any Combat....it should be noted that due to the Information that is around that can be accessed is limited at best.

Records of Combat in a far flung areas....could be lost or forgotten.

The amount of planes being in a Combat Area...the chances of them seeing combat could be true.

B-9's may have Bombed the Invading Japanese.....
 
bretnutz said:
Just a thought.....as to wheather or not a plane saw any Combat....it should be noted that due to the Information that is around that can be accessed is limited at best.

Records of Combat in a far flung areas....could be lost or forgotten.

The amount of planes being in a Combat Area...the chances of them seeing combat could be true.

B-9's may have Bombed the Invading Japanese.....
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They were retired BEFORE the beginning of the WW2.
 
Great photo Cowboy.

By that angle of the plane against Mount Rainier, that B-9 is flying generally north and should be over McChord AAF Base or the Tacoma area of Puget Sound in Washington State.
 
peperez said:
They were retired BEFORE the beginning of the WW2.
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It looks like they were in the hands of the Dutch in 1941.

You fail to understand that the Dutch had to deal with the Japanese as well as the Brits and USA.....there was a place called the " Dutch East Indies "........something to ponder.
 
bretnutz said:
It looks like they were in the hands of the Dutch in 1941.

You fail to understand that the Dutch had to deal with the Japanese as well as the Brits and USA.....there was a place called the " Dutch East Indies "........something to ponder.
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Definitely NO! The Dutch Royal East Indies Air Corps (KNIL) used MARTINs B-10. Remember, I did a lot of planes used by the Dutch against the Japanese in 1941 and I did a complete research on them. Only the USAAC used the BOEINGs B-9 untill 1936 when they were retired. Even the USAAC Reserve never accessed them.

Cheers

Pepe

PS: Check here
http://www.michael-reimer.com/CFS2/CFS2_Profiles/PTO_Allies_ML-KNIL.html
 
My research into the B-9 yeilded similar results as Peperez's....the B-9 was retired in 1936, totally scrapped out. The plane never saw combat use, never got into the hands of any service other than the USAAC.

OBIO
 
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