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About Accusim and what it means to all of us

6.The instructions and checklists are missing a lot of info. If you follow them, you're unlikely to produce a decent climb and decent performance even at light weights. It's maddening to spend that long firing it up and following procedures only to not clear a hill, or use way to much power to overcome the drag from the cowl flaps and blow an engine. There are also no reccomended settings for coolers and flaps and such. That drove me insane finding out the hard way how to do things. They don't need to dumb it down, they need to make it smarter. I got sick of finding everything out the hard way.
90% of the information in the manual was taken directly from the original manuals. If there is anything missing, blame Boeing.

To note however, recommended settings for all systems ARE in the checklist. Recommended setting for takeoff on cowl flaps is 3 inches or less... etc. The point is, this is a 1950s airliner. Nobody knew at the time that leaving your cowling flaps full open and then raising your flaps will cause buffeting and an eventual crash. Unfortunately these things were found out when the planes actually crashed, and then amended to the manuals.

The biggest thing in the 377 is that there isn't always necessarily recommended settings... that being you have 4 engines, each engine is different, inboard engines will be hotter, etc. The point is that the FE has to make a determination based upon temperatures (which are recommended and Accusim helps account for) that will determine what you will be setting your instruments at. This is very realistic. No recommended setting can overcome real life situations and the knowledge of a good FE. These were the days before FADECS, FMCs, PFD and other integrated systems that elimitated the need for an FE, etc.

7.Not everything you need works, such as the auto-turbo settings. You can still manually adjust them. The props don't work right either. This stuff is crucial, and unacceptable if you spend the money for both.
The 377 didn't have an auto turbo. However, you have the option to have your crew take care of it for you. This control has been tweaked and made much better in SP1 along with a plethora of other features.

We have been listening ;)

I don't understand what you mean by "props don't work right."
 
Well, first and foremost, all my comments concerned Accusim Service Pack I which nobody in here has used as of yet, except for the beta testers. So, what I would do guys is reserve judgement on everything you have seen or done with the B377 until you get the new service pack...cause it really is the icing on the cake. I guess I wrote this prematurely and that is my fault. :redf: However I was very impressed even with the somewhat flawed Accusim original as it too was ground-breaking.

Now I realize that many will not care too much for the four engine B377 and would prefer to see it previewed on a fighter. It will be and I am very excited about what this brings to bear. As Cody said you can turn Accusim on and off inside of FSX if you like or not even buy Accusim to enjoy the limited B377 flight characterisitics without Accusim.

When Accusim Service Pack I is released I would really like to hear from the real pilots as to what they think about the Accusim engine at that point. Not sure when the release is due out, but I know it is very soon....sorrry I had to use the "s" word. It was unavoidable.
Ted
 
90% of the information in the manual was taken directly from the original manuals. If there is anything missing, blame Boeing.

More specifically, I was referring to the checklists. They do not prepare you for takeoff.

To note however, recommended settings for all systems ARE in the checklist. Recommended setting for takeoff on cowl flaps is 3 inches or less... etc.
I didn't have the info in front of me because I never bought the product, I merely tried it at a buddy's house, but you just helped me out a little in explaining myself. What exactly is 3 inches when your cowl flaps are shown in percentages? Therefore, the setting is not in the checklist. Did service pack 1 fix the drag on the cowls? if they did, then this isn't an issue. I don't know what manuals and information at the time could've told A2A to make the aircraft a completely different performer with them open or closed.

The biggest thing in the 377 is that there isn't always necessarily recommended settings... that being you have 4 engines, each engine is different, inboard engines will be hotter, etc.
I loved that feature, but anyone who is a mechanic or FE knows they don't run drastically different, and no motor would've made it's way into practical useage being as unreliable as accu-sim models it. Accu-sim takes things a little to far. Like I've said before, I don't want to see accu-sim dumbed down, but I would like to see it a slight bit easier to manage.


The 377 didn't have an auto turbo. However, you have the option to have your crew take care of it for you. This control has been tweaked and made much better in SP1 along with a plethora of other features.
I don't remember what I did wrong or what accu-sim did wrong here, but I remember that I followed the entire checklist and the turbos were still configured to make almost no boost. That was odd, and hampered my ability to climb even more. In fact, I don't remember coming across much info in the way of how to configure the turbo levers other than one switch which didn't help anything.

We have been listening ;)
Great!! I hope this doesn't insult you guys for all your hard work, but I consider things like this and the problems associated as being due to 'teething' and the lack of maturation. I hope that in the future I'll be able to hear crew member's voices in many more complex aircraft. It makes the game come alive. Maybe other devs will let you make accu-sims for their products. I would love to see this in a modern military bomber or transport. That being said, please don't keep this idea only to old timey warbirds.:kilroy:
 
I enjoy my Accusim, dont ever fly without it. Ime glad its on the 377 first and not a fighter and I really look forward to see what is in the update and how it performs.:ernae:
She took a bit of getting used too but I can fly her now and she purs like a kitty, never spitting up too much.
 
I too have Accusim and the 377. I've actually only flown it twice and no, I didn't blow anything up. I did stay really busy, though. YES, for the large propliners we do need a virtual flight engineer to help take care of this because the workload on the pilot trying to do both is really heavy. Kudos to A2A for this fine aircraft and for coming up with something that makes it act like a real airplane. Looking forward to seeing Accusim on some light planes and fighters.
 
More specifically, I was referring to the checklists. They do not prepare you for takeoff.
These checklists were almost exact identical checklists from the United Airlines and American Overseas Airlines. I know because I built them. 99% of the information in this checklist is taken DIRECTLY from the real manuals.


I didn't have the info in front of me because I never bought the product, I merely tried it at a buddy's house, but you just helped me out a little in explaining myself. What exactly is 3 inches when your cowl flaps are shown in percentages? Therefore, the setting is not in the checklist.
The actual instrument shows physical inches, not a percentage. The quick gauge popup window shows a percent. For accurate tuning of the cowl flaps in flight, it is probably best if you use the gauge itself.

Did service pack 1 fix the drag on the cowls? if they did, then this isn't an issue. I don't know what manuals and information at the time could've told A2A to make the aircraft a completely different performer with them open or closed.
Issue with the drag? The drag is accurate. I think the service pack might have tweaked it, but honestly I don't think we covered it because it was accurate. The cowl flaps cause a HUGE amount of drag and anything over 3 inches at takeoff was considered dangerous and would also risk jamming them. This is real world. There are even documented cases where 377s had them fully open and when the flaps were brought up during takeoff, it induced SEVERE buffeting and drag, which caused a crash and people to die :(. However, this is documented and accurate.

Our does the same thing as what the reports stated. When flaps are raised and cowl flaps fully open, it WILL buffet and speed will be hard to maintain.

I loved that feature, but anyone who is a mechanic or FE knows they don't run drastically different, and no motor would've made it's way into practical useage being as unreliable as accu-sim models it. Accu-sim takes things a little to far. Like I've said before, I don't want to see accu-sim dumbed down, but I would like to see it a slight bit easier to manage.
If you adjust the potentiometers correctly during warm up, the gauges generally speaking will all have the same readings. Of course, there are some variables. Your inboard engines will for example run slightly hotter due to the aerodynamics of airflow over these engines. Temperatures might vary slightly as well. So, under all good conditions with potentiometers tuned correctly, the only variables you might see are temps and those causes by random failures (very rare and new for SP1) or bad piloting.

I don't remember what I did wrong or what accu-sim did wrong here, but I remember that I followed the entire checklist and the turbos were still configured to make almost no boost. That was odd, and hampered my ability to climb even more. In fact, I don't remember coming across much info in the way of how to configure the turbo levers other than one switch which didn't help anything.
I wish I could help you more here, but this info is all listed. One thing to note that didn't make the manual is a little helpful advice when using turbos. Once you align the potentiometers and everything is go, when climbing set your turbo switches to climb and advance your throttle fully to maintain 50 inches. Once you have used all throttle up, you should start slowly moving your turbo. You will probably need about 50% or so turbo before you start seeing a difference. You don't want to move it past 70% however (as the manual suggests) because you could overheat your bearings. 70% turbo will easily get you to 25,000 feet. The climb to 30,000 is slow... to say the least and cannot ALWAYS be done. In the real world, the 377 rarely flew at this altitude. Most airlines prohibited it.

Great!! I hope this doesn't insult you guys for all your hard work, but I consider things like this and the problems associated as being due to 'teething' and the lack of maturation. I hope that in the future I'll be able to hear crew member's voices in many more complex aircraft. It makes the game come alive. Maybe other devs will let you make accu-sims for their products. I would love to see this in a modern military bomber or transport. That being said, please don't keep this idea only to old timey warbirds.:kilroy:
Listening to customer input is the bread and butter of our work. We cannot move forward without such input. SP1 was built very specifically because of this input. New features like controller axes assignments etc were implemented specifically because of people asking.

So anyways, no harm bud. Your input is important.
 
While this plane is unfortunately not in my hangar and still on the to buy list, I have looked at all the videos and am amazed at what the A2A team have done. I really like the fact that Accusim can be turned on and off as sometimes I just like to bore completely unrealistic holes in the sky, along with loops and barrel rolls, and other times I do it by the book.

Has the A2A team considered partnering with other addon developers to maybe do Accusim packs for them? There are already some great vintage aircraft that have been modeled by others that would be even better with this added on. Personally I'd love to see the Maam DC-3 with the full Accusim treatment. Heck, while I'm dreaming, let's add a DC-4 & -6, a Convair 340, and a classic Beech or Lockheed twin to the list.

Thanks again for this great piece of work from a soon to be customer.
 
This thread shows that one can have the greatest technology and gee-wiz factors, and still have not many takers. FS has shown that one can get too far ahead of the curve, and, as a result, have something that not many users can use, or want to deal with. Anyone, or most anyone, can make a 100k+ poly model, with every system modelled down to the last rivet, or .0005 PSI.
But can everyone use it, or run it on their current puter? Or do they even want to bother? Just my opinion:costumes:
Don't get me wrong, there is something for everyone, but overall...
 
Has the A2A team considered partnering with other addon developers to maybe do Accusim packs for them? There are already some great vintage aircraft that have been modeled by others that would be even better with this added on.

what a great idea :applause:! I'd be even ready to buy an accusim package for some top notch freeware like the HS748 or the Spartan :jump:
 
what a great idea :applause:! I'd be even ready to buy an accusim package for some top notch freeware like the HS748 or the Spartan :jump:

I've made that suggestion to Scott who has shown interest. I even recommended the perfect model that's in development, but I'm uncertain if the developer has taken on-board what this package is capable of.

I received a copy of SP1 yesterday and it's excellent. This plane has been sitting in my hangar since I bought it, as I thought I hadn't the time to sit down and read the manuals prior to flight. However, even with Accusim engaged, this plane is fantastic to fly and at ground roots (where I hang out) not that complicated. If you don't like to move around the VC operating the switches, as I do, then use the popup 2D panels which make all controls very accessible.

If I can take off, fly and land, anybody can! :d
 
One of the main reasons why i like FSX is that nearly everything is possible and i'm someone who wants really everything - I hate thinking in narrow-minded categories.
I love airplanes, i love eyecandy, occasionally i want to drop bombs:d, i want to fly ultra realistic airplanes, but i also want to have easyeyecandyfunairplanes, sometimes i only want to watch ai traffic or gorgeous boats or stunning landscapes.. It's my "game" :wiggle:
So i'm extremely thankful to A2A for giving us a real challenge with the hardcore realism part and the possibility to really enjoy impressive airplanes.
If i only want to have fun, i choose another aircraft, or a boat or whatever. So please don't stop creating impressive things only because they are not very popular.
Accusim contains so many potential and it would be certainly great if it could be used commonly.
I also don't have the time to fly the B377 as often as i wish, but when i'm able to fly it, i really enjoy it, because i really get the impression to control an airplane and to manage its systems... i don't want to play pilot, i want to feel the airplane :d
 
Just to keep things this in perspective - the 377 and Accusim are our most popular products to date, even more than the P51. However, we have always struck a balance between making aircraft we are passionate about and popularity. Take the He219 for example. This is an aircraft of pure passion. We ride the line because we love what we do.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:eek:ffice" /><o:p></o:p>
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Accu-Sim is also not about making things hard, it’s about making things real. Personally, I want to manipulate the supercharger in the P51. I want to move the intercooler levers in the B17. I want to open a radiator flap and get the proper result. This is what drives AccuSim – just making things as they are.
 
...I know that there is a segment in the Flight Sim Community that looks forward to this and I understand that need for more and more accurately modeled aircraft and aircraft systems. On the other hand there is a sizable segment that simply enjoys hopping in an airplane we would never have the opportunity to fly or even come close to in real life and just enjoy going from one point to another, looking at what different parts of the world actually look like and landing safely and I'm not sure that accusim is something I want or need tied into my aircraft to do that. ...

Yes, and we need both types of users to keep this hobby alive and healthy.

I'll wait on a smaller plane with this feature. LOL, as I looked through the info and videos on the A2A site I'm thinking, is this a multiplayer mode thingy? I'm gonna need an on line co-pilot, navigator and engineer to manage all this stuff at once, but I'll take a P-47 with Accu-Sim thank you very much.
 

Personally, I want to manipulate the supercharger in the P51. I want to move the intercooler levers in the B17. I want to open a radiator flap and get the proper result.

We are two. A real working supercharger is something long overdue in the FS world :applause: !
 
Accusim is, in my admittedly biased opinion, the finest thing that has happened since I approached simming many years ago. I can only hope that the genius's involved will consider the Curtiss C-46A and the Douglas C-47/DC-3 group. However numerically the weight of numbers is probably with the Fighter jocks and Jet drivers. Time will tell, no doubt.

Best

Alex
 
Just to keep things this in perspective - the 377 and Accusim are our most popular products to date, even more than the P51. However, we have always struck a balance between making aircraft we are passionate about and popularity. Take the He219 for example. This is an aircraft of pure passion. We ride the line because we love what we do.<o:p></o:p>
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Accu-Sim is also not about making things hard, it’s about making things real. Personally, I want to manipulate the supercharger in the P51. I want to move the intercooler levers in the B17. I want to open a radiator flap and get the proper result. This is what drives AccuSim – just making things as they are.


Thanks Scott, excellent clarification. I'm just dying to move those intercooler levers myself on that B17 and open that radiator flap...:jump::jump::jump:

One thing I would like to point out, and again I will have to wait until the rest of you who own Accu-sim see the new Service Pack, is that all pilots learn a routine before they taxi out to the run way. It becomes second nature, literally like a part of your every day life. You anticipate it, that is you anticipate what has to be done to get the aircraft in flying condition, and like a fine hot rod you baby and caress you learn to how to keep in great condition even while using it.

Accu-sim accuracy actually becomes fun and expected. You actually begin to miss it when you don't have the option available. I agree with Jmig that were some things missing and even wrong in the first go-around of Accu-sim, but I saw the big picture in that first release. Fortunately Scott saw the biggest picture and pressed hard to make it real in Service Pack I. He acquired more experienced and critical beta testers and pushed poor Rob to the breaking point-thank God he's a sturdy lad! Way to go Rob!:ernae:
I think all who have been critical or just not seen a need for Accusim modeling will see just how exciting this can be and more importantly how easily it becomes second-nature to flying the virtual world.

Once again, on those days you just want to firewall it and look at the scenery and listen to those big Pratt and Whitney engines just turn Accusim off. It really is that simple. Did I mention the sound of the B-377 is awe-inspiring:applause:

Ted
 
As long as the option to turn it OFF remains, that's okay with me. :mixedsmi:

When ya' try to get a quick flight in after the kiddies go to bed & before you have to go to bed, and you're going to fly an aircraft ya' haven't flown in a while, it's nice every once in a while to just crank & burn...:cost1:
 
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