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what a pilot!

The plane, when it lands, is exactly the same aircraft in every detail from the closeup knife-edge to roll-out. The canopy opens and a full-size man gets out and another full-size man runs toward the plane. How is this explained? There is not a single inconsistency, including the control surface movements. The plane in the video is the same plane, from beginning to end.
So? This is because it is quite possibly the same model used throughout the whole video. As for the man getting out of the cockpit, that is a keying effect. It is very possible and easy enough to do in a video via editing.

And of course a full-size plane can bounce like that on a hard landing. Ever see a carrier landing?
And it lands and stops like it is on a carrier too, with a wing missing... ;)

I would like to see another, confirmed hoax video that would prove the quality and content of the killathrill to be similar and reproducible using the CGI and RC/blend technique. The RC video posted earlier only serves to prove that the maneuver is possible.
It serves to show that it is indeed possible with an RC model... and it crashed for the most part. I however am not stating that it was all done with an RC model. I actually believe the whole thing was done in CGI. Hard to tell though.

I think BananaBob's video is suitable to show a good technique of blending, along with the ones I provided.

You must remember, I am a video editor. What I am telling you is that this is all indeed possible with the right tools and on a decent computer. If I thought from my editing video perspective this was real, I would have said so.

Now, what I don't know is what part of the video is real, if any. I'm having a hard time distinguishing different parts, for example before the landing the plane looks a lot more real. This however may have to do with the fact that the backgound color is a blue hue, which lends itself better to this type of editing. Simply put, I don't know where the CGI begins, if it isn't all CGI. Hell if I know but there are many ways to skin a cat.
 
The landing bounce looks cartoonish at best, and the tail wheel looks fake for the landing run. It's also a bit odd that the plane seems to be running alongside a tarmac strip for the landing run which would be just where the right wing's shadow would be, certainly an easy way to mask editing it out. Also the man who shouts 'Run!!!' as the plane is heading towards the camera is still around to say 'Amazing' seconds later.
As to getting the CGI model of the plane the same as the aircraft edited in before/after the incident, well that's not hard if you're working with the real aircraft I mean how do you think FS models are made?
As for the continual hunting of the focus in the video, I've never seen a camera do that for real and I've done a fair bit of videoing surface to air and air to air.
I certainly don't remember seeing his aircraft at the London Red Bull Air Race, and he's not in the program I've got either. Bear in mind you need a special license from Red Bull to compete in these events, it's not just a case of turn up and race.
All in all there're too many little niggling doubts about this and as Cody said if this had been for real just about every paper on the planet would have had an article on it.

I actually think the Merlins video is more convincing!
 
Besides , with the skills necessary for a landing like that..... I'd reckon the pilot would be a dab hand at the auld Accusim!:kilroy:

:costumes::ernae:
 
Besides , with the skills necessary for a landing like that..... I'd reckon the pilot would be a dab hand at the auld Accusim!:kilroy:

:costumes::ernae:

Good one!

Let's stipulate a few things. I think we can agree there is no question that a plane can be landed with one wing missing. It's been done and documented. We just saw the RC video of a very similar one-wing landing which Cody linked for us. There's documented proof of an IAF F-15 having done so as well, and I just watched it. So no one who's researched it even a little will disagree with the fact that this sort of thing is definitely possible and has been done before.

Apparently this happened quite recently and there is little in the news about it. If you look at the film there don't appear to be many spectators at all, it seems to be a practice acrobatic session. (Keep in mind that Andersson never claimed to be one of the twelve Red Bull pilots, only that he participates in certain Red Bull events). So if it's a fake, it's an incredibly good fake of something that could have happened exactly as it's shown.

There are plenty of posts and comments all over the web now stating with great certainty that it's a hoax, but a few exist from folks who are familiar with these kinds of planes and they tend to support the authenticity of the video. These come from http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081030140510AAqZPAb

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Typically on this type of highly aerobatic small aircraft:

The fuel tank is in fuselage.
They don't use control cables for ailerons. They are controlled by torque tubes operating through a sliding universal joint at the wind join.
Ground shadow shows no right wing.
Wings on this type aircraft are removable, usually held on with one or two bolts and a couple of pins to take the wing pitching moment. The bolts are there to keep the wing from pulling out of the spar tube.
Center of gravity is usually set way aft on these aerobatic aircraft to give quick and high response, around 40% of wing chord. The cg would not move very much with the loss of a wing since it is already distributed fore and aft of the cg.
If a model was used, then it was an exact duplicate of the final full scale airplane.
They use large control surfaces with large throws, thus the ability to do sustained straight and turn knife edge flight (where the wing has no lift at all) using fuselage lift alone.

I cannot say one way or the other if it is fake. I see nothing in the video that would indicate that it is. As far as I know, it has only been filmed once occurring on an RC model.

That being said, if it really happened, I would imagine it would have been all over the news, and the news people would have set up several satellite dishes outside the pilot's house.

Finally, I reckon the pilot got out quickly because of the smell in the cockpit. LOL

I am a retired Flight Test Engineer for Aerodynamics and Stability/Control plus 45 years of RC flying.

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From a pilot’s perspective this video looks extremely real. I am an airline pilot with about 20,000 hours of flying time, and to me this is spot on. To an untrained eye it made seem that it is defying the laws of physics. However it is not. Let’s take a look at this one at a time: the reason the landing looks unnatural is because of the amazing reflexes of the pilot and the enormous control services that he controls. If you look carefully just before the airplane rights itself for landing you can see the Aileron the left-wing being displaced dramatically. This forces the left-wing down at an incredibly fast rate. This is completely consistent with what you saw on the tape. Additionally, if you look at the tail and rudder displacement you’ll also notice that his controls are perfectly placed for a knife edge pass as well as that quick motion when he rights the aircraft just before touchdown. The knife edge pass uses the body of the aircraft as a lifting surface which, in addition to the large amounts of thrust/lift created by the propeller, was why he was able to maintain flight. This is done all the time when aerobatic aircraft. The reason that he appears to bounce like a ball is because of the way the landing gear is designed. The “V” shaped metal struts along with high performance tires take a tremendous amount of G force, and is able to provide some “give” when the aircraft touches down. That is why the aircraft bounced instead of collapsing the gear. If I were the pilot, I too would have tried to get out of the aircraft as soon as possible. The possibility of fire is always present after an incident like this, and the best place to be if that occurs is away from the aircraft. That's the way we're trained. The reason there was not fuel pouring from the right side of the aircraft was largely due to the fact that the fuel tank is not in the fuselage, but in the wings themselves. So, when he lost his right wing, he also lost his right fuel tank. He may have had his fuel cross feed valve set to the left wing which would have minimized/eliminated any fuel coming from the exposed fuel lines. (these lines are quite small, and leaking fuel wouldn't be that noticeable at this distance if ruptured) The swinging of the aircraft to the left 90° was an intentional, and very rational, course of action. He was trying to slow down the aircraft as soon as possible without ground looping it. With the “tail dragger” type of airplane this can be done at fairly high speeds. All in all, this video looks completely authentic and in keeping with known laws of aerodynamics to an aviator of 30 years. Hope that helps

These are both written by careful observers with plenty of experience with the real thing. Both corroborate what I had posted earlier, and the second strongly supports my observation of the control surfaces. Keep in mind that the fuel lines would have quickly severed, and any fuel would not have been under pressure so fuel would not have been pouring out as some have suggested. There are no electrical lines as these planes are not equipped with lights and only minimal radios or other equipment. CFS2-style wing breakage, with all kinds of spars sticking out, is a video-game effect. Real planes don't have wings that are attached like that, as was stated before, it is usually just a couple of big bolts. There have been many civil planes, including jets, that have lost engines in flight. The bolts sheared and that was it. In many cases the pilots did not even know the engine had departed the plane.

Another claim is that the prop would never stop spinning so quickly. Wrong. With a high-compression, high-performance engine and a very light prop, the engine would stop turning almost instantly, exactly as we saw. Andersson's website says he's modded the engine to make up to 475 HP which would explain that, although the stock 350 HP version would be about the same. As for the plane being quickly "whipped" around to the left right after landing, that's completely unremarkable. I've seen it done almost as quickly by a pilot in an F6F Hellcat. Training would of course account for the pilot's readiness in promptly cutting the fuel supply to the engine (that accounts for the instant cutoff) and opening the canopy. This is standard emergency procedure for any plane after an emergency landing.

Another misconception is that this occurred at a Red Bull air race. Clearly it did not and neither the killathrill website nor Andersson's website make that statement. It is Andersson, practicing acrobatics at an unspecified airfield and event.

If this is a fake, it is astonishingly good to the last detail. I suspect we will know soon enough whether or not it is genuine, but a good number of aviators with actual hands-on experience seem to be convinced of its authenticity.
 
Totally a fake. As noted, the plane rolled the wrong direction at wing separation. Normally when you lose a wing on a aircraft with critical stability, it will began a violent and accelerated spin towards the missing wing from the lift asymmetry. No amount of aileron or rudder input/moments will be able to overcome that once it starts. Case and point, Rick Massegee's accident in 1996 in a SU-31 due to wing failure. He never had a chance to get out at that altitude and spin rate. Clancy Speal's fatal accident in his Pitt's when the wing came off. When we see pilot's like Sean Tucker and others perform slow speed knife edge passes, they had to carefully set up the maneuver and work hard to maintain the critical attitude and power needed to stay stable. If you lost a wing it would be impossible to enter such an attitude once the lift asymmetry took full effect and the aircraft entered a spin. As to the IAF F-15 incident but he already had a significant amount of forward speed and airflow going for him. Had he been at high AoA or in a steep or unusual attitude, he would not have been so lucky. Not to mention, the F-15's horizontal stabs are large enough to be full sized wings on many aircraft. That had a very significant role in helping the pilot to regain control and land his plane.The other thing you must remember, R/C aircraft are capable of many things real aircraft at weight are not. lastly, the other thing I took note on in the video is how come the wing didn't drop and drag the ground after touchdown with the weight of it all to one side? No impact or ground loop at all. The other thing is the highly unnatural deceleration of the plane right at touchdown. There are way too many inconsistencies scattered about this video. Like it or not, it is 100% a fake.
 
Well, I have 3,718 hours as a 757 first officer and a degree from the University of Portland on Aerodynamics and Aerospace and Aerospace Safety. Graduated class of 1999. I can certainly say it is not.

Ok, ok ok... I don't have that. But it sounded good right?

Sorry, just poking at the fire.
 
I'd say my main grounds for thinking it's a fake are to do with the nature of the footage, rather than the actual events themselves. In some ways I put this down to a generational thing, I remember a few years back my Dad seeing some screenshots on a web forum that I was looking at, it took me a lot to convince him they weren't real. To me I could tell without thinking about it because I've been brought up with computers and CGI in films, whereas to my Dad it's not something he's been exposed to continually so he doesn't pick up on the various clues that I'm picking up almost sub-consciously. Likewise I have less tech savvy friends who're more easily fooled by that sort of thing, this is probably an indication I should get out more!
 
I'd say my main grounds for thinking it's a fake are to do with the nature of the footage, rather than the actual events themselves. In some ways I put this down to a generational thing, I remember a few years back my Dad seeing some screenshots on a web forum that I was looking at, it took me a lot to convince him they weren't real. To me I could tell without thinking about it because I've been brought up with computers and CGI in films, whereas to my Dad it's not something he's been exposed to continually so he doesn't pick up on the various clues that I'm picking up almost sub-consciously. Likewise I have less tech savvy friends who're more easily fooled by that sort of thing, this is probably an indication I should get out more!

I'm thinking in much the same way. Even if every last detail was thought of and put into the video, it simply does not look real. Obviously I can't put that into hard facts, but there's no way I'm going to be convinced that the aircraft is real. I wouldn't even go as far as saying it's a model (at least when on the ground). CGI.

A couple of screens in similar lighting, one is clearly real (not the same aircraft):
 
Am I still the only person that notices that there are no tail numbers? No tail numbers, the plane doesn't exist.
 
Note the lack of aircraft nationality markings on the KillaThrilla aircraft...eg N123AB, G-KILA :isadizzy:. .... Possibly a CIA bird?:d :)
 
Here's a link to Tochy's website that has links to all of his aircraft videos. The landing of the one-winged race plane looked very similar to one of Tochy's videos.

http://www.k4.dion.ne.jp/~suppon/

Someone would be hard pressed watching one of Tochy's clips not to think that they were videos of real aircraft.

It's a lot of clever work - but if you look close, there are a lot of clues that not only is the aircraft video of the crash contrived, but so is the interview video and the web page with the pilot bio. It's a complete package, which makes the deception that more believable.
 
Gotta agree with Cody...it's a fake. Plus no registration numbers anywhere from any nation, And not a thing on the news about it happening. That alone is a dead giveaway. Bogus as all h3ll me says.
 
The plane went into a spin, then transitioned to an inverted spin, that ended up as a flat inverted spin...and with each spin rotation the rate of the spin increases with a corresponding increase in centrifugal force. Recovery from that abortion at such a low altitude would have been impossible with one wing. I don't know everything, but I have 16,326 hours of profesional pilot experience that has honed my sense of smell...and I smell b*llsh*t.
 
Now, what I don't know is what part of the video is real, if any. I'm having a hard time distinguishing different parts, for example before the landing the plane looks a lot more real. This however may have to do with the fact that the backgound color is a blue hue, which lends itself better to this type of editing. Simply put, I don't know where the CGI begins, if it isn't all CGI. Hell if I know but there are many ways to skin a cat.

What I am sensing here is that most guys just don't like the idea that someone was able to pull off such an amazing stunt. It just chaps the hide. You are saying you believe the video is faked, but are not sure what parts are fake and what parts aren't. Is the last shot, with the man running up to the plane, and the pilot opening the canopy, a fake? Or is that shot real and the landing fake? We have a lot of folks here stating their credentials as CGI and video editors; let's get a forensic analysis. It's easy to scoff at something and call it fake. Show why. A good number of experienced pilots are saying it is absolutely possible -- and explaining why in considerable detail -- and when you consider the perfect synchronization of the control surface movements with the landing (to which no one has responded) it would take quite a team of folks to make a superb hoax video of this nature, what with building in all of those details to such perfection.

The absence of a report in the news media does not establish fakery. And hoaxes appear in the media and are presented as real, as well. It will be interesting to see what eventually turns up. If it's real or not, the facts will come out in time.
 
It's been proven that some planes are able to fly (marginally) with one wing, and the knife edge flying the plane does before landing is definately doable...but you need two wings to recover from a spin, or a spin chute.

I think the biggest mistake made in this clip was having the plane spin to the left, into the direction of the remaining wing. A spin occurs when one wing stalls and the other one doesn't, and the plane spins in the direction of the stalled wing. Ergo, If the left wing stalls then the spin is to the left, and if the right wing stalls the spin is to the right. Since the right wing sheared off that would be the aerodynamic equivilant of a stalled wing, and the spin should have been to the right.
 
lol yeah thats totally fake

The landing at the end would have surely wrecked some part of the plane....
 
I’m leaning 75% likelihood of trickery. Only because the film looks like a fake, feels like a fake. It has that UFO video look to it… The guy screaming “ruuuunnnnn!!!” at the end was priceless. Two other things. Look at the shots of the plane on the ground after it comes to a stop. The shot is carefully cropped so that you cannot see the other wing (or lack there of). Convenient, no? And the in and out of focus thing is just silly. You’d have to do that on purpose, or create the effect afterwards on the computer. Usually done for “special effects.” And finnaly (ok, that's three things), the lack of corroborating evidence is suspicious. Has anyone else who was there come forward? Any other photos? Just another red flag...
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The 25% holding out comes from Big_Stick’s comments. Such a feat may indeed be possible with that type of plane. I just don’t think it was done on that day. Not because I doubt the skill of air racing pilots in general or this one in particular.
 
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