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What is up with Joe Binka's Widgeon?

I was just doing some panel work on the radial Widgeon, adding on a pop up window with engine controls and gauges....then decided to take a look at the xlm gauges supplied with the plane. There are a number of gauges in the cab file dedicated to engine overheating, engine failure, etc. So I think regauging the plane with other gauges will remove the over heating problem...which is why the package Claudius mentioned doesn't have this issue...it has been regauged.

Nope, regauging did not totally fix the over heating. I can get much longer flights...but eventually the engines fail due to over heating, even with the props pulled back to 1800 rpm and manifold pressure rolled back to 20 pounds. If I go less than that, the plane simply doesn't have enough power to maintain flight speed.

I will persist and succeed.....or I will reach the point where it is more trouble than it is worth and send the plane to the Recycle Bin.

OBIO
 
I swapped the Widgeon's panel, air and config files with those from Bill Lyon's Goose...then flogged the Widgeon to death...no over heating. Dropped my regauged panel back in place and flogged away...still no over heating. That leaves the air and config files to work my way through. I will get this plane to be usable. While realism is nice in a plane, too much realism or exaggerated realism is not. I have encountered a number of planes that required advanced degrees in aeronautical engineering and home economics to start...I dumped them.

OBIO
 
I'll send you my files Obio, fixed the overheat with temp scaler when I built the 'super Widgeon' with the Lycoming GSO 480 B1B 270 h.p. Engines. Strange that your 'vents' only work one way- never had that problem. I wasn't fond of the radial widgeon model (the frame rates we're to friggin high) so I stuck with the 'inline' model and gave her new modern engines and kept the included panel and gauges. never released it tho.
 
I think I got it finally. I just had the Widgeon full tilt and doing stoopid things with it for about 20 mintues and the CHT never exceeded 170 degrees. I replaced all the modern looking gauges with stock WW2 era gauges (P38 and F4F gauges)...still need to swap out a couple (what is a DME gauge for and is there a WW2 era equivalent?) My one indulgence in modern equipment is a CD player on a pop up window....like to listen to music when I fly and having the CD player controls on screen makes it nice...I can lean to my left a bit, grab a CD from the storage rack, use the CD player to open the CD drive, pop in the CD, and use the CD gauge to control my music.

The radial Widgeon is definitely worth having...the VC is amazing...almost totally clickable. I found that the cowl flaps can be opened and closed using the levers on the overhead panel...how neat.

I am using the air and cofig files from the G44upd package. Not sure what it was on the stock panel that was the key to killing the over heat problem...but glad I found it.

If anyone else wants to roll their Widgeon back to the WW2 period, just give me a holler and I will shoot you a copy of the complete panel.

OBIO
 
OBIO said:
(what is a DME gauge for and is there a WW2 era equivalent?)
OBIO
Click to expand...

In real world aviation DME stands for Distance Measuring Equipment. It's the civilian version of the military's TACAN (TACtical Aerial Navigation), which is VOR plus a range from station indication.

I don't know when DME came out. We had it when I was flying in the real world, back in the 1970s, and I don't think it was brand new then, but it's a fairly modern system. I'm quite sure there was no WW2-era equivalent.
 
Mick

Thanks for the info on the DME...now I know what it is..still don't know how to use it. Since I had no idea what DME gauge was for, no idea how to use it, I replaced it with a clock. I can tell time fairly well, so a clock might be useful.

I have the panel totally regauged and will package it up with a couple dedicated Widgeon sound packs this week end. Actually there will be a few sound packs. One for the Twin Rangers (I have actual real life Ranger engine recordings to work with....how cool is that!!!!), one for the Lycoming (will produce a passable representation at any rate), one for the Jacobs radials and one for the R-985 radials. So that would be 1, 2, 3, 4...four sound packs. So much for sleeping.

Tim
 
I haven't flown the Widgeon for ages.

OBIO , I seem to recall from your previous post about the cowl flaps , that they needed to be opened prior to start on Joe's Widgeon otherwise overheating would result in a very short flight.

I must get my Widgeon from out of the back of the hangar and give it a check over and go fly ......

Pete.
 
OBIO said:
Mick

Thanks for the info on the DME...now I know what it is..still don't know how to use it. Since I had no idea what DME gauge was for, no idea how to use it, I replaced it with a clock. I can tell time fairly well, so a clock might be useful.

I have the panel totally regauged and will package it up with a couple dedicated Widgeon sound packs this week end. Actually there will be a few sound packs. One for the Twin Rangers (I have actual real life Ranger engine recordings to work with....how cool is that!!!!), one for the Lycoming (will produce a passable representation at any rate), one for the Jacobs radials and one for the R-985 radials. So that would be 1, 2, 3, 4...four sound packs. So much for sleeping.

Tim
Click to expand...

Glad you have the heat issue sorted to your satisfaction. I may have been flying with that V2 package, which would explain why I had a wider margin.

DME: Basically the DME equipment in your aircraft "pings" the station it is tuned to and then waits for the reply from the station. The elapsed time is then converted to distance in nm since radio waves travel at a known relatively constant speed through air.

So if you are for example flying to a VOR on the 090 radial and need to know how far away you are at the moment DME can give you that answer.
If you don't have DME in the airplane you would need to use a second VOR to get a position fix. Even less precise would be a NDB for the secondary bearing.

If you look at official IAPs or Instrument Approach Procedures you will quite often see in the title of the approach the phrase "DME required".
That means exactly that....no DME....can't use this procedure. Although a panel mounted GPS can be used in place of the DME (with a few exceptions)

It is a lot easier to simply glance at a DME readout and know how far you are from the station, than to do the 2 VOR routine (which usually then requires a chart).
Finally most DME displays in GA airplanes can also give you GroundSpeed and time to station....which you can then use to easily determine winds aloft. Which is nice to know when you are doing a maximum range flight for example.

ATC likes that because it cuts down on the "Uhm Ahh SoCal ... Bugsmasher 45Z request ground speed" calls in the busiest sectors, which usually are followed by more of the same :mixedsmi: until finally the fastest GA airplane in this particular sector has been determined. (Usually once the numbers start going up the slow guys don't ask anymore so only those with hopes of besting the current record will pipe up)

Stefan
 
I thought I had the heat thing resolved....was just flying, checking out a second and third panel version (trying to find the best combination of gauges to cut down on frame rate hits in the VC). Hadn't been in the air long...boom, engines shut down. May have to go back to the first panel set up and give that one another round of testing. It uses mainly CFS2 style gauges...not as pretty but they do have the lowest frame rate draw and the heat issue was gone with them.

OBIO
 
Obio, try this file:

Please DON'T redistribute this file, I do NOT have permission to release this.
 
Dude, you do realize that by attaching the file in this thread you have released it? Don't worry, it'll be our little secret :monkies:
I put the panel back to my first regauged version, with the P-39 and F6F gauges...no over heating. I flogged the heck out of the plane and CHT hit 300 and the plane did not shut down. I had the plane full tilt, cowl flaps closed, CD player cranked up, left turn signal blinking, and a squirrel's tail duct taped to the antenna....the plane kept on chugging along. Of course, under normal flying conditions, I would never treat a plane this way...well, other than the 747-400...but that plane just begs to be flown upside down at nearly Mach1.0 (empty the plane of passengers and baggage, empty the wing tanks, leave just 8000 gallons total of fuel in the center tanks and the 747-400 will jet along at 690 knots at 1400 feet ASL).

Tim
 
ya, I know but I can't send a file thru this sites PM system. Besides- I created the files, I just didn't give myself permission to release them.

:173go1:
 
:monkies: :applause:

Thank you MaddogK

I always liked the Binka Widgeon. I'll tuck this away for this weekend. Maybe I'll get time for a flight :kilroy:
 
Self-Piracy? That is a new one. Never known a person who invented an entirely new white collar crime before. Now I can die...utterly dumb founded as usual.

Tim
 
your welcome all, not sure if Joe Binka cares that I fixxed his bird just for me, but was always the plan to keep it 'just for me'.
 
Just spent a bit of time setting up four installs of the Widgeon. One will have the Ranger inlines, one will have the Lycoming inlines, one will have the Lycoming 680 radials, and one will be a pure beast with the 450 horsepower Pratt and Whitney R-985 radials. Need to so some tweaking to the Ranger and Pratt config files to get the performance dialed in for the different horse power these engines produced compared to the Lycoming engines. Man, 900 horses of radial power on a plane that has a 5000 odd pound max gross weight...going to be a real blast to fly.

Now I wish I would have grabbed the Goose panel bmp from FSX while I had it installed...would make a nice alternative for the Widgeon. I grabbed the Beaver panel and have it set up in John Woodward's Beaver...and painted the VC panel to match it. Looks great.

OBIO
 
OBIO,

Three cheers for resurrecting one of my favorite oldies but goodies! Have this - partial to the PW radial/VC version - working nicely - well not entirely - in FSX. Would like to have the overheat issue solved (did I fix that already? Can't remember). Or maybe it was the more recent release (Michael Verlin??) that took care of that. Also think the flight model (air file or air.cfg or both) may still need some tweaking. A bit fidgety and pitch sensitive last time I took her out. Great job putting the packages together with the sounds.

Cheers!!

expat
 
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