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Microsoft Bans 1 Million Xbox Live Users...

some of you cheering should look to the future, to see this happening to you.

when ms. finally releases the next version of flight sim, which they already said will be a windows live game. as soon as you change a cfg file or add a new paint or tweak something, you've violated the eula by modding the game, and they'll cut you off too.

The franchise has been dependant upon aftermarket modifications. The EULA provides provisions for this, and FSX came with the software development kit.

You sound like you're living in fear of Zeppelins over US cities.
 
Considering how much we "shout" at piracy in the Flight Sim community....

I would think you folks would APPLAUD Microsoft for combating piracy....


You know what? You're right. Let's be honest though, Panther. Only those hardcore enough to spend hours posting in forums are hardcore enough to spend hours cracking, downloading and installing pirated software. I have thousands and thousands and thousands in receipts for all my purchases, but I'd be willing to make a guess at how many frequent SO contributors are pirates, and I'd also bet anyone a lot of money that there are pirates in this thread.


As for "bad software/hardware hysteria", I have never had a problem with my XBOX, and I've never met anyone in real life who did. Everyone in the military has an Xbox for deployments and TDYs..........I say again, I've never met one.
 
I've had two Xboxes, The first on lasted me two years before I got the red-ring of death. Instead of getting it repaired, I figured I'd just go buy an arcade version (I had some Gamestop store credit). This new one has an HDMI output unlike my old one, but it also has a different disk drive. The old one was silver and worked perfectly. The new one is white, quieter, but it scratches my disks sometimes. I saved the old disk drive, and I contemplated putting it into this new console, but now I'm glad I didn't!:running:
 
I would interject that those of you who applaud such actions by Microsoft, for valid reasons, are being rather myoptic and not considering the precedence this sets.

Where MS goes others follow. The ability to take something and attempt to improve it is a long held tradition that goes back hundreds of years.

How many of you have "improved" your car or truck by putting a freeer breathing muffler or air cleaner? Or maybe dropping a bigger engine or tranny into her?

I saw where Apple killed the Net Books with their last update on their OS.

I would say this is more about control by MS and Apple than piracy. Piracy is the red herring to deflect people's minds from the real reason.

I see the consumer becoming more and more locked into what the provider wants and not what we want.

Just my 2 cents. I don't have a Xbox or Apple Net Book mod.
 
The franchise has been dependant upon aftermarket modifications. The EULA provides provisions for this, and FSX came with the software development kit.

You sound like you're living in fear of Zeppelins over US cities.

yes, the eula for what we use now. who's to say that won't change with the next version? maybe i am being a little paranoid. it would be way better for all concerned if it never happens the way i suggested it could.
one of those times when i'd be really glad i was wrong.
 
Hey All,

JMig you ar absolutely dead on right! :medals: The world needs to be seller beware NOT buyer beware. MS is for all practical intents and purposes a monopoly and should be broken up.

I have no XBOX either I just believe in real competition in real free markets not what exists in the US/world today where big corporations have the power they do.

-Ed-
 
Heh, only amatuers are crying over this. MS has only expidited the hackers out there into cloning console serial numbers. Ya think those chips aren't easy to swap out ? I'll bet it can be done without hardware modification, but I've never opened up an Xbox, cant be much harder than the wii.
 
I've had two Xboxes, The first on lasted me two years before I got the red-ring of death. Instead of getting it repaired, I figured I'd just go buy an arcade version (I had some Gamestop store credit). This new one has an HDMI output unlike my old one, but it also has a different disk drive. The old one was silver and worked perfectly. The new one is white, quieter, but it scratches my disks sometimes. I saved the old disk drive, and I contemplated putting it into this new console, but now I'm glad I didn't!:running:

From what I know you can swich CD drives but you have to also swich the chip with it. Every 360 and the CD Drive are mated. You just can't swich drives by plug and play.

Also I've been told that if you do a chip swith that the 360 dose NOT know that the CD drive has been changed. Becouse you put the old chip into the new drive. I did this when I had my cuz's 360 apart becouse of the lazer failed. No need to reprogram the 360 to talk to the new DVD drive if you use the old chip.

http://www.llamma.com/xbox360/repair/xbox-360-repair.htm

This page has Info on how to take apart your 360, ID your DVD Drive since there are 3 DVD drives used in 360's and how they stoped disk scratching on there 360's.

Heh, only amatuers are crying over this. MS has only expidited the hackers out there into cloning console serial numbers. Ya think those chips aren't easy to swap out ? I'll bet it can be done without hardware modification, but I've never opened up an Xbox, cant be much harder than the wii.

Easier. My Wii Ej Tactile Switch button broke. I took one look on line at what it would take to get the main board out. Gave up and sent it back to NOA and they gave me a new Wii main bord CD drive but transferred all my saved game.
 
Heh, only amatuers are crying over this. MS has only expidited the hackers out there into cloning console serial numbers. Ya think those chips aren't easy to swap out ? I'll bet it can be done without hardware modification, but I've never opened up an Xbox, cant be much harder than the wii.
It's actually quite difficult to open...the plastic shell comes off easy enough, but inside there is a vault full of torx screws and other proprietary fasteners. Once you get that open it looks alot like the inside of a laptop. The fans and disk drive are connected to the mobo via standard SATA cables. The main cpu heatsink is attached with this bracket that sort of self-destructs when you loosen it (I think this was purposeful). Everything is jammed super tight, so I can see why they had problems with overheating (the one I took apart was pre-redesign).
 
The franchise has been dependant upon aftermarket modifications. The EULA provides provisions for this, and FSX came with the software development kit.

You sound like you're living in fear of Zeppelins over US cities.

Yes the franchise has grown strongly because of the aftermarket modifications.

MS sold the game for what most times $50 when it was just new in the store.

Then they got to watch developers sell multiple packages that amounted to more than what the game cost. The whole time they had no control over this at all. It does not matter that many of these developers are no longer in business. If they could have made a % of each add on sold they would have taken it.

What it MS had a way to control the content that is released and what content you could install?

This is what a Windows Live Game will give MS. More control of the game. That can be translated into MS charging a fee for all developers who produce modifications to it. Similar to the Iphone and applications that you can load on it. They need to be approved and sold threw the apple store.

MS will just try and duplicate this system.

Don't even think about creating Freeware it will not be allowed.

And its not just MS this will be the whole concept of Cloud Computing.

Your ISP will have control over what content you have and how you can store it.

All that said I don't' have a problem with them banning users who modified their consoles. That's a business decision and they will have to live with the consequences. It will either work out to the good or come back to bite them.

Either way I don't care.

I don't own nor do I want a console.

Don't worry about me seeing Zeppelins either because I have no knowledge of the survey that Mr. Flier was talking about. I categorically denies having ever seens anything like it or printing out any of it for future reference.

I did no such thing so I can not speak to the section that talked about purchasing performance upgrades to aircraft/modifications (with real money). That would be a violation of the agreement to the survey that I know nothing about.

But I do remember a lot of other people wagging their tongues about it. :icon_lol:
 
It's actually quite difficult to open...the plastic shell comes off easy enough, but inside there is a vault full of torx screws and other proprietary fasteners. Once you get that open it looks alot like the inside of a laptop. The fans and disk drive are connected to the mobo via standard SATA cables. The main cpu heatsink is attached with this bracket that sort of self-destructs when you loosen it (I think this was purposeful). Everything is jammed super tight, so I can see why they had problems with overheating (the one I took apart was pre-redesign).


Yeah well post-redesign it the same way. They added heat pipe to the heatsink that is under disk drive and now are making cooler GPU and CPU chips. Everything else is the same indside.
 
Yes the franchise has grown strongly because of the aftermarket modifications.

Man that's so true. I didn't use my PSP for over an year because i hated to carry all those mini-CD things around. One day a co-worker said that he'll modify my PSP so i can play the games off of the memory stick. Of course i knew doing so would violate the user agreement, but i didn't care. I bought the PSP to be portable...not to carry the 20-30 CDs i have with it.

Now i have a PSP with about 12 games on it (ISO images made from the games i bought) and it's perfect for long flights. No more CDs...yeah!

If only SONY offered an "on-the-go" version of the PSP (mod it themselves) and sold .ISO versions of their games....then i'm sure they can make profit.

MS is doing the right thing by banning the accounts, but they can also think about selling legalized version of the mods. To defeat the enemy, one must think like the enemy. :) If people are going to mod their hardware, then sell the mods yourself! Then it's legal, under warrenty, and you reap the profits on both sides....

Anyways, it's not like these companies miss a few million $ here and there...so that's why they don't care.


-feng
 
Man that's so true. I didn't use my <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_0" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_0')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_0')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_0')" leohighlights_keywords="psp" leohighlights_url="http%3A//thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/highlights/keywords?keywords%3Dpsp">PSP</leo_highlight> for over an year because i hated to carry all those mini-CD things around. One day a co-worker said that he'll modify my <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_1" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_1')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_1')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_1')" leohighlights_keywords="psp" leohighlights_url="http%3A//thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/highlights/keywords?keywords%3Dpsp">PSP</leo_highlight> so i can play the games off of the memory stick. Of course i knew doing so would violate the user agreement, but i didn't care. I bought the <leo_highlight style="border-bottom: 2px solid rgb(255, 255, 150); background: transparent none repeat scroll 0% 0%; cursor: pointer; display: inline; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;" id="leoHighlights_Underline_2" onclick="leoHighlightsHandleClick('leoHighlights_Underline_2')" onmouseover="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOver('leoHighlights_Underline_2')" onmouseout="leoHighlightsHandleMouseOut('leoHighlights_Underline_2')" leohighlights_keywords="psp" leohighlights_url="http%3A//thebrowserhighlighter.com/leonardo/highlights/keywords?keywords%3Dpsp">PSP</leo_highlight> to be portable...not to carry the 20-30 CDs i have with it.

Now i have a PSP with about 12 games on it (ISO images made from the games i bought) and it's perfect for long flights. No more CDs...yeah!

If only SONY offered an "on-the-go" version of the PSP (mod it themselves) and sold .ISO versions of their games....then i'm sure they can make profit.

MS is doing the right thing by banning the accounts, but they can also think about selling legalized version of the mods. To defeat the enemy, one must think like the enemy. :) If people are going to mod their hardware, then sell the mods yourself! Then it's legal, under warrenty, and you reap the profits on both sides....

Anyways, it's not like these companies miss a few million $ here and there...so that's why they don't care.


-feng

You and jmig are on to something. It is true that we need not be in the "buyer beware or I will get you" category but more into the "this is what I really want so make it the way I want it!" category. But if an individual agrees to a EULA they can't live with-you have given your word and it has to mean something or your word is false. They have the right to pursue legal recourse.

We need to make it clear that what we want is the ability to mod just like we did Intel and AMD about overclocking-now they provide overclocking capability. If Microsoft wants to beat Sony out or Sony wants to beat Micosoft in sales then they need to see what we really want and provide it-that is is our job. We need to make sure they know what we want so tell them. Don't buy or sign anything you can't abide by.
Ted

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The PSP Go is a good start but one good crash and all your games go bye bye on a PSP Go. Now your left to call sony to say you need a new PSP Go and your games back. If you lose your PSP Go, bye bye to your PSP Go and games.

If you do as FengZ did. Copying ISO images on to a PSP. If your PSP crashes you can always recopy the ISO images when you get a new one. If you lose you PSP you always have the games at home.

Dose any one know if a PSP Go keeps your credit card on it since you have to buy games over the net or is it like Wii points? If it keeps your credit card on it and it's stolen your F#$^&ed!

I got a PSP 2000 and all it is used for Ace Combat X. I still get more use out of my DSI.
 
Haha I love my modded PSP too. It is one of the original ones from the midnight release way back when. It is great being able to play PS1 games on it. I got all my favorite old games on there as well as a couple of PSP games. :jump:

but MW2 is! Steam's server is so backed up now...only getting ~300kb/s...

That's because IW and Activision are epic failures. WHYYYYYY get rid of dedicated servers? Makes noooooooooooooooooo sense!!! :isadizzy:
 
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