Please help!

[Cloud9Gal]

Nothing he said is even remotely offensive if you take the time to actually read what was said.

He correctly pointed out that billions of dollars from all over the world are flowing into Haiti now and for the foreseeable future. He also correctly pointed out that a substantial portion of the money donated will be misappropriated, and will never directly or indirectly benefit the people you're trying to help.

That being the case, he pointed out that you would see a more tangible benefit from your donation to SOH because you KNOW where it's going, you KNOW who it helped, and you KNOW you made a difference.

Finally, he pointed out that if you ARE going to donate to the relief fund, that you should do so only through a reputable charity, so as to reduce the chances that your money will be used for something other than its intended purpose.

What's wrong with any of that?

If you want to take a shot in the dark that your money MIGHT help someone in a place where no amount of money will change the long-term living conditions, then please, donate it to a Haiti relief fund. You're a good person for doing so.

If, on the other hand, you want to have complete security of where your money is going, and who it's helping, then donate it to SOH. You're STILL a good person for doing so.

And for the record, I'm unemployed, broke, and can't contribute to either cause...Before somebody asks/accuses.

kack911~ I could not have said it any better! Thank you for sharing your thoughts with us.

spotlope~ Great message as well! Thanks for sharing!

There is no ill intent with John's post. I actually agree with most of what he said.

At the end of the day, it's each and everyone's own decision as to where they choose to donate their funds.

Thank you in advance everyone!

 

[Z-PurpleBubble]

The US, Canada, Britain, Germany, and many other countries throughout the world will give billions of dollars to try and help these people. Sadly, if history follows its usual patterns, a sizable portion of it will be diverted into Swiss bank accounts to benefit powerful political individuals. A year from now, two years, five years, the poor Haitian people with be just as poor and destitute as they were before the earthquake and the world will have forgotten about them.

I am not saying, do not give to Haiti. What I am saying is that $25 will, in my belief, do more to help keep SOH serving you than it will do amongst all the millions and billions of our tax dollars that will be sent. No one here makes a salary. From Ickie on down we do it because we love SOH and want to maintain the friendly, family atmosphere for which SOH is known. However, to do so, we need your contributions.

There will always be disasters like Haiti. Generous charitable people will respond in many ways. There is only one SOH, only we will keep it going.

Thank you,

I'm sorry, but jmig was clearly saying something like "don't waste your money on Haïti, but rather give it to SOH".

That is beyond me, it really is. How can anyone be so cold-hearted.

I'm not religious myself, but that is probably the single most unchristian thing that I ever read in my life.

 

[Chacha]

Nothing he said is even remotely offensive if you take the time to actually read what was said.

He correctly pointed out that billions of dollars from all over the world are flowing into Haiti now and for the foreseeable future. He also correctly pointed out that a substantial portion of the money donated will be misappropriated, and will never directly or indirectly benefit the people you're trying to help.

That being the case, he pointed out that you would see a more tangible benefit from your donation to SOH because you KNOW where it's going, you KNOW who it helped, and you KNOW you made a difference.

Finally, he pointed out that if you ARE going to donate to the relief fund, that you should do so only through a reputable charity, so as to reduce the chances that your money will be used for something other than its intended purpose.

What's wrong with any of that?

If you want to take a shot in the dark that your money MIGHT help someone in a place where no amount of money will change the long-term living conditions, then please, donate it to a Haiti relief fund. You're a good person for doing so.

If, on the other hand, you want to have complete security of where your money is going, and who it's helping, then donate it to SOH. You're STILL a good person for doing so.

And for the record, I'm unemployed, broke, and can't contribute to either cause...Before somebody asks/accuses.

I'm sorry, but jmig was clearly saying something like "don't waste your money on Haïti, but rather give it to SOH".

That is beyond me, it really is. How can anyone be so cold-hearted.

I'm not religious myself, but that is probably the single most unchristian thing that I ever read in my life.

Purple Buble...

Please reread Jmig's statement...

 

[Z-PurpleBubble]

Purple Buble...

Please reread Jmig's statement...

I have Chacha, I have.

And I chose to donate to the Red Cross instead. I was actually considering donating to SOH for the first time, but jmig did a brilliant job at turning me away from that.

But I feel much better now. My conscience is clear.

 

[stiz]

one question ... do people donate regulary to charietys ... or only when its really "needed" ............










..... and before you all jump dont my throut .... think about it for a second ...

 

[Henry]

I have Chacha, I have.

And I chose to donate to the Red Cross instead. I was actually considering donating to SOH for the first time, but jmig did a brilliant job at turning me away from that.

But I feel much better now. My conscience is clear.

and how long have you been a member here?
you just decided that you could donate but not now because of a statement
actually if you want to donate to Haiti the red cross is not the best way
seems to me someone is just causing a little rucus
just my views
and my memories
H

 

[Z-PurpleBubble]

I donate monthly. To charities that is, not to hobbies.

 

[Z-PurpleBubble]

and how long have you been a member here?
you just decided that you could donate but not now because of a statement
actually if you want to donate to Haiti the red cross is not the best way
seems to me someone is just causing a little rucus
just my views
and my memories
H

Henry,

• The time that I've been a member here in this context is totally irrelevant
• I said that I was contemplating donating to soh, not that I decided to
• The choice of where I send my money to is mine, no one else
• And finally no, I do not want to start a little rucus here, I'm thoroughly disgusted by jmigs comments.

TIA

 

[Henry]

Henry,

• The time that I've been a member here in this context is totally irrelevant
• I said that I was contemplating donating to soh, not that I decided to
• The choice of where I send my money to is mine, no one else
• And finally no, I do not want to start a little rucus here, I'm thoroughly disgusted by jmigs comments.

TIA

maybe im getting tired and disgusted with yours
if you can read a post wrong so can I
im not nor is anyone else making your choice what do do with your money it is yours
btw i guess WOS does not recieve donations anymore
H

 

[heywooood]

is all of this really necessary?

news bulletin: Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck are idiots

dollars sent to Haiti for the purpose of supplying food, water, and medicine not to mention the necessary cleanup and sanitation of all those thousands of persons who are now deceased should NEVER be politicized.

the idea of it is as disgusting to me as those three people are

I understand SoH's need for donations, just as I understand the humanitarian needs of the people - the multinational people - who are victims of a terrible natural disaster in Haiti...the two needs are seperate and unequal...and I have just as much control over how my donations are spent in both cases. NONE.

I must trust that it will be spent properly but I - and none of us - has any guarantee

That is why trust - and the betrayal of trust - is such a big deal to me.. because trust is all we have between us...after you strip away the BS

 

[djscoo]

Stiz:
If you are trying to point out the hippocracy of whats going on in regards to people all of a sudden crying for help, and portraying themselves as philanthropists...good for you, but it isn't helping.

Jmig:
I guess I kinda understand what you were trying to say, but I think it's reckless to persuade someone not to give to charity, and it was way too easily misunderstood...

Henry:
This is like the third time I've seen you accuse PurpleBubble of being a pirate...am I missing something?

I get too worked up over arguing with semi-anonymous people on the internet...

 

[DX-FMJ]

maybe im getting tired and disgusted with yours
if you can read a post wrong so can I
im not nor is anyone else making your choice what do do with your money it is yours
btw i guess WOS does not recieve donations anymore
H

good thing your an admin eh? check diaper

 

[Gramps]

good thing your an admin eh? check diaper

You might ought to be checkin yours.

 

[mariereid]

We should be doing all we can to help every living thing on this planet. The rich shoud be helping the poor. We should be thinking like this everyday. The people who give the most are the ones who have been very poor and got a few breaks in life and now can help others. We are all very rich, compared to most of the world. Everyone who can, send some money to help out in Haiti. These people may only get a fraction of what you send, still the more we send, the more they recieve.
As for SOH donations, if you can help out, please do. I believe about 400 members will donate. Those people are the ones keeping this place going for the rest of us. Most of them do it year after year. They are the reasons thousands of us get to enjoy being able to come here. They are the ones who deserve a big thank you from the rest of us. :salute:

 

[JorisVandenBerghe]

Read this carefully!

1) @ 6297J, Tim-HH, and the others:

I'm sorry, but jmig was clearly saying something like "don't waste your money on Haïti, but rather give it to SOH".

If you'd read John's post carefully :

I am not saying, do not give to Haiti. What I am saying is that $25 will, in my belief, do more to help keep SOH serving you than it will do amongst all the millions and billions of our tax dollars that will be sent.

2) Please, everyone, calm down, for God's sake . And I'm not only talking to users, but as well to the forum staff. Henry, I'm sorry, I don't like the way Purple Bubble misunderstood John's message either. But please, do not start using that kind of tone. The same goes for Gramps. It's not because someone's insulting a fellow of you, you should start doing the same ! We're all big boys & girls...:mixedsmi:

3) I do understand some people get angry, I'm a forum administrator myself over at Flightlevel. I know it is difficult when someone is not behaving like he should or saying things you don't like at all. But stay calm. Do not start insulting each other because it simply won't help at all. Au contraire!

I can get the point of people who might misunderstood what John really meant. He wasn't saying "donate to SOH, we need it more than the people of Haiti". Just reread it, first paragraph of this post.

Hope this helps clearing out the mess a bit.

 

[Z-PurpleBubble]

Oh, don't worry, I'm refraining from making more comments.

For the pure and simple reason that speaking your mind on this "friendly, warm and familly oriented forum" only results in character bashing and unfounded accusations about piracy.

 

[harleyman]

Ladies and Gentlemen..

Please understand that it is all but impossible at times to read correctly the written worn in a forum post. At least its true intensions..We have charecter and language barriers here as all forums do.

I am not defending John because he is Staff here, but because I know him personally, and understood his true meanings behind his post..

Trust me, John is an outstanding gentleman, and NEVER meant that you should not give to a cause such as Hati , but place that at a playground instead.

For those that read into his words incorectly..That is just what it was. Interpited wrongly I assure you.

For that reason I am closing this thread. but leaving it up for all to see, reread, and understand..


Thanks to all that support the efforts in Hati, and here at SOH too !