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OT - New Russian Stealth Fighter

Kalishnikov, before his death in a camera interview disputed these claims that his design was based on the STG44.

Zugleich wurden viele Eigenarten des deutschen Modells in die eigene Entwicklung übernommen, was den ganzen Prozess erheblich beschleunigte. Allerdings ist das System der Verschlussverriegelung mit dem gesteuerten Drehkopf völlig anders gelöst als beim deutschen Sturmgewehr.
"At the same time, many properties of the german model got incorporated into its development, which accelerated the whole process significantly. Yet, the breech locking system with its rotating head is an entirely different solution than in the german Sturmgewehr."




You miss his point! You are implying that the Horton design inspired Jack Northrup. Not true at all.

You miss my point.

Jack Northrup had his vision about a flying wing before World War II and therefore since we did not know about the Horton design until after the war ended, it is illogical, inaccurate, and to a certain degree insulting to assert that Northrup was inspired by the Horton aircraft.
So there was no prewar development of flying wings at all and the continents were as seperated as planets in different solar systems and there were no such things as travel and communication between then.

Yeah, right.


...and the guy is called Northrop, FFS!
 
The T-50 is suffering because of the decline in the price paid for natural gas out of Russia. That gas contract with Europe was a huge source of revenues for Russia.

The economic recession in the United States is pretty significant, and to those who've lost their jobs and/or are woefully underemployed at this time, it's a depression. But as it normally the case, we in the US complain loudly when in fact it's worse elsewhere.

Ken

Russia's situation is far worse than many outside the country realize. The effect on many major defense programs has been obvious for some time. On top of that, their Military is still bloated a good bit from the Soviet era plus it is estimated that 80% or more of their Military hardware are aged and/or falling into a state of disrepair. One project that has blindsided the Russians is the SS-N-30 SLBM. They have sunk billions into that program and it has been plagued with problems. Reason is as said before here. Lack of cash. Such as it is, the funding shortfalls have caused Russia to lag badly in many technology, hardware, and manufacturing sectors. All said are the prime reason the T-50 took so long to get into the air and many of it's proposed vital components are still in limbo. The only saving grace for Russia right now is India's investment. Them plus other countries who have bought Russia's defense hardware have brought in vital cash that helped save their defense industry thus far. If this plane is built in any significant numbers, it will come at the cost of giving other programs the axe.
 
"At the same time, many properties of the german model got incorporated into its development, which accelerated the whole process significantly. Yet, the breech locking system with its rotating head is an entirely different solution than in the german Sturmgewehr."

I would like to know where you got that. Many design features of both weapons were made from information already available to gun designers since the beginning of the century, and developed further from World War I. What are these "properties?"

As I said, coming from someone who has spent time with both, the few things that are similar were well known to firearms manufacturers long before either were made and owe those principals to other firearms manufacturer's of the time.

To note, the STG-44 was stamped steel, had a tilting bolt design similar in ways to the later developed STG-58 or FAL as it is more commonly known.

The original AK-47 on the other hand was a milled steel receiver with a gas operated piston with rotating bolt design.

These two designs lend themselves to two COMPLETELY different ways to build a firearm, and represent the largest difference in the internal parts, and how and where they are positioned and to their function. There is almost nothing in common with these weapons except the shape of the magazine, which curved magazines were NOT new and the fact they used a shorter standard rifle round, which was determined in Russia less by the manufacturer themselves and based heavily on the requirements that the government deemed necessary at the time.

To put it simply, the AK-47 has more in common with an M1 Garand than the STG-44 as far as function and design, not only in the design of the original receiver (yes, original AK-47s were milled from a solid billet of steel, whereas the later AKM was stamped), the way the bolt functions, rotates and locks.

About the T-50, sadly I don't have much more to say.
 
I would like to know where you got that.

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ak-47

(Before you start ranting again: Different language, different editor.)

Many design features of both weapons were made from information already available to gun designers since the beginning of the century, and developed further from World War I. What are these "properties?"

How should I know?

The info being avaiable is one thing, but actually using it and fielding it is another.
The russians had something like assault rifles before WW1, but they didn't field it in numbers.

If it hadn't been for the StG44, fielded in huge quantities, common use of assault rifles would have happened way later, if at all.

Andere Konstruktionen, zum Beispiel das bekannte AK-47 (Automat Kalaschnikow) (Kaliber 7,62 x 39 mm), übernahmen bei eigener Technik das taktische Konzept, welches dem StGw 44 zugrunde liegt.

"Other designs, for example the well known AK-47, inherited the tactical concept of the StG44 while featuring own mechanisms."

There's way more to an assault rifle than just the firing mechnaism. Kalashnikov may have already had a mechanism, but he needed to wrap it into something usable and that's where I say the StG44 came into play since it was already battle-proof. Do some external refinements for better handling or whatever here and there et voilà, AK-47.
 
guys we're just going in a loop here, lets get it back on Topic if we could please :salute:

I know it's not like I haven't asked everyone politely to get back on topic about 3 times!!! :isadizzy:

Please guys, guns have no place in this topic (unless the T-50 has some, and in any case only aerial gunnery. :ernae:

Can I suggest 'Pistols at dawn' for those who wish to continue the gun argument? :pop4:
 
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