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What is the most immersive Airplane in FSX

I vote for the A2A Jug and B377.
But there are a lot of other good aircraft, like the aforementioned Aerosoft Cat and Realair aircraft.

MAAM sims C-47 also gets a note for nostalgia, this is probably the aircraft on which I amassed most hours flying the hump in the CBI theatre for years! I can't wait until this gets revamped.

Cheers,
Mark
 
im realy not sure what you mean by immersive
do you mean one that you have to watch every second incase it gets overheated etc
or one you fly all the time and you are still learning your way around it?
H
 
Henry said:
im realy not sure what you mean by immersive
do you mean one that you have to watch every second incase it gets overheated etc
or one you fly all the time and you are still learning your way around it?
H
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Immersive as in - gives you the most complete sense of 'being there' rather than being in front of your monitor. Nothing to do with systems as far as I'm concerned - more about forgetting about the simulation part and becoming totally absorbed with the sensation of flight. Fooling your brain in other words :)


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To me "immersive" means actually feeling like you're really sitting in a real plane - not something that occurs very often in flight sims if I'm totally honest. Yes I've got loads of truly excellent planes but very, very few actually feel REAL. The one that stands out for me is the Digital Aviation Dornier DO-27 with its ultra-real rattling, vibrating cockpit.
Frog.
 
Henry said:
oh you mean a Mossie:icon_lol:
LOL
H
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Whatever works for you, yes :d

I'm about to immerse myself in a very hot bath. It's going to be just like sitting in a bathtub.
Or is it? :mixedsmi:
 
For me its the Lotus L-39, Sibwings Bird dog & Ant's Tiger Moth....although I dont have any A2A aircraft yet...
 
Foregoing the systems and just sticking with what makes you feel like you are really there it would have to be any of A2A's products, especially the Accu-sim Cub for me. That definately upped the bar. I still like making the P-47 creak and squeek putting it through high-G manuevers though.
 
FSX has become only a little more than a Cub Simulator for me since I bought the A2A / Accusim Cub in October. It really is a remarkable achievement. No other addon or stock plane gives me such an overwhelming sense of being in the cockpit as does that little yellow wonder.
 
Most recently Ant's Tiger Moth, but also the Nord 3202 is highly immersive and a regular flying machine for me. Add to that the Sibwings Bird Dog, Aerosoft Catalina which is phenominal and for something fast then the Iris F-16. In rotorcraft nothing touches the Dodosim 206, just because it flies right and then also definitely the Aerosoft Discus Glider which is a real joy ridge soaring, with the Blanik L-13 a close second.
 
Would have to include my A2A Cub and Aerosoft Catalina, but overall it would be the L-39 Albatross - an amazing aircraft that is an absolute hoot to fly! :applause:
Very worthy mention - DG's Auster Autocrat and I have to add Ant's Tiger Moth - it's putting it's hand up for many, many flights now! :salute:
 
Henry said:
im realy not sure what you mean by immersive
do you mean one that you have to watch every second incase it gets overheated etc
or one you fly all the time and you are still learning your way around it?
H
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Good point. To me immersive means that it grabs your attention and holds it because it feels real.

FSX is immersive to me and X-Plane is not. The AI planes, Airport vehicles, ATC, instruments that work... makes me continue to fly it even though X-Plane's aerodynamic simulation and Weather is more realistic too me. FSX just puts me in a more realistic world and occupies me with interacting with that world like a real pilot would.

In the same way different air planes in FSX put you there by sound, visual, flight dynamics, flight system recreation, special visual effects, special sound effects......

When I hear rain hitting the roof of my plane in FSX while I am sitting there cold and dark in the cockpit and the windows start to fog up and the engines don't want to start or stay running very easily...... well that puts me there for that moment ( immersive ).

When I am on approach with a cross wind slowing to stall speed and the aircraft is flying very rigid like it is on rails and I don't feel like I am fighting to keep something with a 80' wingspan balanced and controlled and the rudder just throws the plane back and forth in a mechanical style....... yawn, maybe I should grab a beer put on a baywatch rerun.

It is feeling the " bump " when the plane touches down because of the sound of tires squeeling, thunk of suspension, and a visual bump with the view on the screen or feeling the strain of the plane slowing because of the changes in sound from air rush, reverse thrusters, tire/break squeel, pavement noise and vibration with the view on the screen. Engines sputtering as the carb ices, people screaming when I bank 90 degrees, aileron flying off as I exceed maximum speed......

Yeah, there is still room for improvement. Still trying to figure out which plane to buy next that will capture my attention.
 
I cannot boil it down to a single aircraft. The best I can answer is to tout the characteristics of a truly immersive aircraft:

1. Flight model as accurate as can be achieved in FSX

2. The VC cockpit has all the gauges and switches function realistically.

3. The instrument, especially the engine instruments, function realistically.

4. The interior is modeled accurately.

5. The exterior is modeled accurately with appropriate openings working.

The result of all this is when the fly the aircraft it replicates the experience. Small things mean the world because big things are obvious enough for all people to see. But, when I do a magneto check, does the RPM drop by 50 to 100 RPM's? When I do a governor check on the prop hub, does the RPM reduce when I engage the governor and then with the RPM set, does the RPM quickly recover from an increase in manifold pressure?

When I pull my prop condition lever on my CH Pro Throttle, does the prop go into feather, or do I have to do something else to get it to feather -- something which at that point becomes very unrealistic?

When I set an known MAP and RPM, trim for a known descent rate, does the aircraft's speed settle down to the normal approach speed at that setting -- the one I'm expecting?

I could add a lot more, but I think I've helped make the point. The devil is in the details and to achieve those details you really need pilot who have flown the actual aircraft to test the virtual version and provide the detailed feedback to achieve the desired immersion.

Now, aircraft I have gotten that more or less reach this level are:

RealAir Spitfire
RealAir Duke
Flight 1 Skyhawk (especially when Real Old Salt was kind enough to render my actual cockpit and livery and a certain kind gentleman custom tailored the airfile!)
Carenado Seneca II

This is the best way I can answer the question.

Cheers,

Ken
 
I liked the default Goose enough to fly it around the world once. These days it's the FS-Cast/Sky Unlimited B-17 for immersion.
 
I dont get immersed very easily, and it takes a lot more than just a plane to do it.. Everything has to work together ya know??.. But given the ideals exist, then i have a few i like over others...

For the pacific northwest,...
Lionheart Quest kodiak for down and dirty bushing around
Lionheart Epic LT for sight seeing in comfort and enjoying the incredible terrain

For PNG and the Solomons...
OzX grumman goose.
Aerosoft Catalina

China, Tibet, Thailand...
A2A or Iris P-40
Dave Garwoods Dragon Rapide ( yup i'm a little strange )

British columbia...
Iris C-27

Afrika
Ants tigermoth

Alaska...
Nothing yet cuz i still want that piper cub but with BIG tires..

:)
Pam
 
I'm with Pam with the fact that "immersion" is difficult to come by, and usually requires both good scenery, a good plane, and a plan. Just punching random holes in the sky doesn't do it for me, but making a flight plan to go from some real place to another helps a lot. I like the Aerosoft PBY and the new Cessna Bird Dog, for the same reason - fantastic VCs.
 
All the planes mentioned above are quite immersive. I think the plane that 'grabbed' me the most was back in FS2004 with RealAir's Scout package. The way it handled, the gauges were fluid and 3D, it had the headbuffet thing going(before it was standard in FSX), little things like mixture and trim seemed to be as real as possible for FS. It was one of the first ofr me that really made me 'feel' like I was in a plane. In FSX I enjoy many of the above mentioned planes, including the FSX Scout, still a favorite. :)

Cheers
TJ
 
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