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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

Wartime Versus Restored Warbirds for FSX????

Modernised Vs. Wartime Warbirds of FSX???

  • Do you like to fly WWII configured WBs on FSX, in 1940s condition?

    Votes: 137 77.4%

  • Do you like to fly WB's in modern/restored condition with new avionics etc....?

    Votes: 40 22.6%
  • Total voters
    177
I much prefer vintage instruments. The one thing I DON'T like is gun sights.

In FSX they are in no way representative of what you see in the real world. They fill up half the sodding screen regardless of whether you're in the VC or 2D panel, and you can't see a damned thing.

Old gauges, a little bit of weathering, lovely.
 
My preference is what Milviz/FSD did with the P-38. I want an authentic airframe I can fly in the real world now. I think every "old" airplane I've seen at an airshow recently had at least a hand-held GPS strapped to the panel someplace. Most have something like Garmin 430s or 530s on the panel I assume because combines modern nav with modern com. I also prefer paint schemes to have a civilian registration. That's one thing I like about the recent WDS P-51B/C package I bought from SimMarket.

Preference is just that - I'm just as happy with real vintage 1943, especially if it is as good as what A2A does.

Glenn
 
To re-clarify my original post, I don't care for modern cockpits on warbirds - I like the original design, but in this era of time. A 1940's airplane, looking like a 1940's airplane, but that wouldn't look out of place, parked at my local airport or in my hangar. (The main thing for me is weathering - I don't want the cockpit to look overly beat-up to the point that it doesn't look flyable)
 
There is room for both. I like both. I love the FSD Red Bull P-38. Beautiful. When I'm in the mood for pretending I'm a WW-II fighter pilot, I fly the vintage one. When I'm in the mood for pretending I'm flying in 2010, I fly the Red Bull one.

Ok, if I have to vote one or the other, I'd vote vintage over modern. :icon_lol:
 
Vintage, but make sure to include a clean model of the aircraft.

Formation acro in a mustang looks a little silly with drop tanks when you re-watch the flight on Flight Sim Recorder. The load-out manager that A2A uses is brilliant!
:salute::salute:

Garner
 
Like for most things in aviation, the answer is .... it depends!

Some classic warbirds are nice when WW2 authentic. But, others, especially the utility aircraft, have an undeniable general aviation role today. So, for those, a more modern and functional panel can be really nice.

Ultimately, quality is still quality.

Cheers,

Ken
 
I think Aerosoft's Cat had a good choice, either a true vintage cockpit, or a more modern one that still 'looked' vintage....ie not the standard six pack. I don't have much need for a gunsight in FS as I cant really shoot anything...except pretend to strafe the town methlabs. RealAir's Mk 9 Spit had a nice choice...either have a gunsight or replace it with a radio/xpnder and a CDI, but kept the Spitfire's original instrument layout.

Cheers
TJ
 
I'm for vintage. I already understand modern instruments. I get nothing from using the same old gauges and com radios to go about my business. I learn more about the planes and the men that flew them when I see what they were like back then.

Seeing modern gauges in old planes almost makes me want to cry. I can understand that you must have certain things in the plane to make the FAA requirements, and I am fine with that... but I don't like a lot of the butcher jobs I see people do on not only planes, but cars.

If a particular gauge for example was unreliable, I offer a secondary solution. A replacement that "looks" like the original.

In my FS planes, vintage all the way. I have been around a ton of planes that were vintage, and flew, with only minor upgrades taken to meet requirements.
 
Thanks for all the kind words about the P-38. To me that is the way these aircraft should be done because I know not everyone likes the vintage pits, and I know everyone (myself in this category) doesn't like the modern cockpits.. I think that people should have a choice of what pit they want to fly. I myself though will choose the WWII original spec birds everytime. I like actually having to navigate. Which I think A2A has spot on with the moving maps in the VC. I love those things. Plus with the Aivlasoft electronic flight bag that helps me with my charts, navigation, and everything else.
 
Thinking about vintage gauges vs modern navigation equipment....... I like what Section F8 did in their Sabre... the cockpit is original, but if you double click on some gauges in the VC they get swapped out with others. For example, if you double click on the ADF, you can get a VOR/ILS gauge.
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Cheers,

Garner
World's Greatest Virtual Fighter Pilot
 
Imho, it seems to me that given the ability to make things appear and disappear at will in FSX cockpit, developers should have no problem making both modern and vintage warbirds, even out of a single model. As these aircraft represent a period of history, I feel the cockpits should be as authentic as possible if you're going to learn anything about the aircraft as designed and experience in a small way what the pilots of the time had to go through, but it's very easy to make modern avionics and instruments appear with just a clickspot. This has been planned with the Boomerang since the beginning, incidentally.

Mike
 
skyblazer3 said:
Thinking about vintage gauges vs modern navigation equipment....... I like what Section F8 did in their Sabre... the cockpit is original, but if you double click on some gauges in the VC they get swapped out with others. For example, if you double click on the ADF, you can get a VOR/ILS gauge.
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Cheers,

Garner
World's Greatest Virtual Fighter Pilot
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I didn't realize it did that. Then again, it's been a while since I flew that one in FSX. That's a really cool idea, and one that'd be great to see in other birds.
 
Kinda did that on my Skyraiders. Pull out the chartboard to reveal the GPS. The radios on my planes are whatever skills I got (none when it comes to radios!).
I'll use the "modern" HSI ,RMI, etc., gauges, but give them a period "vintage" look.
To be honest, I never liked the superclean glossy paintjobs on warbirds. I know why they do it (corrosion control, etc)., but I simply like planes as they appear in historical pics/film. Nothing bugs me more than the "bare metal in a can" silver paintjobs. I do like the trend toward more historically accurate paints, and components.
To be honest, If I had billions, my warbirds would be very clean on the inside of the airframe, but I would leave it outside for a while. Still would keep the engine in top shape, etc. Let it get a natural weathering job.
 
glennc said:
My preference is what Milviz/FSD did with the P-38. I want an authentic airframe I can fly in the real world now. I think every "old" airplane I've seen at an airshow recently had at least a hand-held GPS strapped to the panel someplace. Most have something like Garmin 430s or 530s on the panel I assume because combines modern nav with modern com. I also prefer paint schemes to have a civilian registration.
Glenn
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Here's the cockpit of P-51 Ferocious Frankie, which kinda has a mixture of old and new, with gunsight removed and (although not shown here) a stick-on GPS that attatches to the side of the instument panel.

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personally, I don't care for modern. I don't think I've ever flown the red bull P-38 for instance, good as it may be.
I'm also not too fond of repainting modern warbirds, I prefer the old, dirty originals. I don't know why really, I just do.
On the other hand, I can imagine people liking the modern versions, as they are the ones you can now see and sometimes fly in. I've been in Yankee Lady, and PH-PBY for instance, so I do like to see them in the sim occasionaly, but I still fly old and weathered aircraft...
 
Something like the Frankie 'pit in Rowdy's picture would be an ideal choice for me - mostly stock. I think RealAir got it bang on with their Spitfire XIV, a very subtle modern panel, just a few gauges swapped out and a radio stack in place of the gunsight - and the choice, of course...
 
What with the ever busy skies and new rules and regulations that we put up with in the modern world, I like to replicate my sim flying as close as possible to the real thing. Most of the warbirds I've been in, have 'traditional' cockpits with modern instrumentation - locator, GPS, radios tucked away, but its all down to the individual - its his money, his aeroplane.

I always take my hats off to people that flew such long distances with only a map and a compass. On my first P-51 flight, I couldn't get over the noise and wondered how those chaps went all the way to Berlin and back with such basic instrumentation and a cloth headset. I for one, couldn't have done - it day in day out.

Best wishes,

Martin
 
Great discussion. I like a classic bird to be modelled with partly modern avonics, like the restored birds that still fly today.
 
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