At Last! DC-3 native on the way!

[Ken Stallings]

That's your prerogative, Ace. We still do though.

Please do remember that Maam-Sim is not your average commercial FS aircraft developer in need of the money to put food on table. We do our work purely out of love for the hobby in the first place. All revenues are going directly to the museum to help keeping the real Maam birds flying. We do have food on the table too but that comes from other sources.

I'm sure that once our first native, all singing and dancing, FSX model will be released you will start to care again. Don't bother to switch it on it will happen automatically.

The R4D/DC-3/C-47 model will be released as the first native FSX version of our FS9 branch of models. Not just as a native FSX version but rebuild from the ground up. If, by any chance, you have our FS9 version of the venerable Dakota i guess i don't have to tell you what you're going to get with our native FSX version.

Yes, it will take a while. But is this such a problem ?..... FSX will probabely be with us for a looooong time to come, best not shoot all arrows all at once, right ?..

Btw, we'd LOVE to do a DC-4/6/7 but it just so happens that we don't have any of these species sitting here on the Maam tarmac...

Cheers,
Jan
on behalf of Maam-Sim

For what it is worth, I remain convinced to this day that the MAAM DC-3 remains the single finest piece of donationware ever released in the history of the Flight Simulator series. If MAAM could release something as fine for FSX it would be a most welcome day.

I appreciate your tone of reply.

Cheers,

Ken

 

[bazzar]

"I don't suppose its contains a Curtiss C-46 Commando complete with paint kit, does it ? Coupled with Air Hauler down in South America, in all those liveries...wonderful."

bugger...;>)

 

[calypsos]

"I don't suppose its contains a Curtiss C-46 Commando complete with paint kit, does it ? Coupled with Air Hauler down in South America, in all those liveries...wonderful."

Oh, and a Vickers Viking too, with all those wonderful colour schemes of the 1950's independant airlines

 

[Ark]

OkeyDokey, time to leap in here again.

Points:

1) This is a set of brand, spanking new models built specifically for FSX.
2) The list will include the AC47 Gunship, C47B Troop carrier, DC3 Dakota airliner and British version of the C47, as flown by the BBMF.
3) This is the anniversary year for the C47 so, like the Battle of Britain issues, we are building to commemorate.
4) The FSX default is not actually native FSX. It is based on the old FS9 which with the best will in the World is now getting a bit "tired".
5) "another DC3" so let me see, we're only allowed to make one of everything is that it?
6) Why on earth would anyone base anything on the "default" model? Who do you think we are?

I actually don't care much whether anyone wants this or not. I do and I know a few others who do too.

Jan, I hope you realise that this is not some obscure, sinister plot to combat MAAM. I have every respect for what you guys do, as you know and I will eagerly await the FSX version along with the the many hundreds of others who enjoyed the first issue, me included.

As to other subjects...you'll be surprised what we have in the toy cupboard...if you're good.

Not to get off subject..................but...

Isn't your team also doing the Avanti II?
If so, does that mean it is getting "close"? I have been wishing for a Native FSX Avanti since FSX was previewed. I check the Wilco site every day for release news. lol :ernae:

 

[tigisfat]

Personally, I wouldn't care if they did use tweaked versions of the default stuff. Sure, it's got problems, but that doesn't matter unless it's unchanged, hence the words 'tweaked' and 'in work'. We know they aren't, so that's moot too.


Isn't it the end result that matters? I don't care what they do, what they use or how they go about it. Most of the time it's none of my business or concern. When I see some screenshots, prices and features then I'll begin to form an opinion. I for one think the prospect of having this in the future is exciting.

I'll be sure to recreate some 'levitow' moments once the AC-47 is up and rocking. :salute:

 

[Snave]

OkeyDokey, time to leap in here again.

Points:

1) This is a set of brand, spanking new models built specifically for FSX.
2) The list will include the AC47 Gunship, C47B Troop carrier, DC3 Dakota airliner and British version of the C47, as flown by the BBMF.
3) This is the anniversary year for the C47 so, like the Battle of Britain issues, we are building to commemorate.
4) The FSX default is not actually native FSX. It is based on the old FS9 which with the best will in the World is now getting a bit "tired".
5) "another DC3" so let me see, we're only allowed to make one of everything is that it?
6) Why on earth would anyone base anything on the "default" model? Who do you think we are?

I actually don't care much whether anyone wants this or not. I do and I know a few others who do too.

Jan, I hope you realise that this is not some obscure, sinister plot to combat MAAM. I have every respect for what you guys do, as you know and I will eagerly await the FSX version along with the the many hundreds of others who enjoyed the first issue, me included.

As to other subjects...you'll be surprised what we have in the toy cupboard...if you're good.

Thanks for jumping in.

I also have respect for MAAM-Sim, but can only respect what they have released for the sim. And what have they released for FSX? FSX has been around since 2006 and there are NO FSX-native aircraft for it from MAAM-Sim. One cannot be expected to respect something we've never seen, tried or donated to?

It's not a criticism of timescales, only judgement based on execution. I'm sure if the MAAM product was available we could praise it. But it looks like we'll have the Aeroplane Heaven product far, far sooner, so it will get the praise as it is not only coming - soon - but also will do so in the light of the Anniversary which will see DC-3's and C-47's highlighted the world over.

From a donationware perspective, failing to have the product available is likely to result in far fewer donations, wouldn't you say Jan?

 

[bazzar]

Not to get off subject..................but...

Isn't your team also doing the Avanti II?
If so, does that mean it is getting "close"? I have been wishing for a Native FSX Avanti since FSX was previewed. I check the Wilco site every day for release news. lol :ernae:

On finals, spraying a few bugs. Not far away.

 

[Javis]

Jan, I hope you realise that this is not some obscure, sinister plot to combat MAAM. I have every respect for what you guys do, as you know and I will eagerly await the FSX version along with the the many hundreds of others who enjoyed the first issue, me included.

Thank you, Barry, much appreciated !

Well, you can imagine you won't see us jumping for joy reading this topic, but, Hey, we don't own any copyright to anything DC-3 related whatsoever, you have just as much right to build one for FSX as we have.

It just so happens that the DC-3 is one of the most versatile aircraft ever used, it would be impossible for one FS developer only to reproduce each and every type, version and variation. F.i. we would've loved to release an early Wright Cylone version of our DC-3 model but never could find the time to realise that. Same goes for a ski version. On the other hand the release of an AC-47 Gunship and Basler turboprop conversion will be extremely unlikely coming from us. I mean if there's any aircraft that can deliver more than enough versatillity to warrant the release of an FSX model by more than one FS aircraft developer it sure is the DC-3.

And sure too i realise there's no sinister complot involved to harm Maam, Barry, rest assured. We've been thru that and can see it coming from miles away ! :d

Best of luck and lots of fun with the development of your Gooney bird, mate ! :salute:

Cheers,
Jan

 

[Javis]

For what it is worth, I remain convinced to this day that the MAAM DC-3 remains the single finest piece of donationware ever released in the history of the Flight Simulator series. If MAAM could release something as fine for FSX it would be a most welcome day.

Thank you, Ken, that's highly appreciated and you bet we'll be putting our best foot forward to make sure that our current FS9 version cannot even stand in the shade of our upcoming native FSX iteration.

Cheers,
Jan

 

[Snave]

Thank you, Ken, that's highly appreciated and you bet we'll be putting our best foot forward to make sure that our current FS9 version cannot even stand in the shade of our upcoming native FSX iteration.

Cheers,
Jan

If you produce it, we will come...

 

[Javis]

From a donationware perspective, failing to have the product available is likely to result in far fewer donations, wouldn't you say Jan?

Maam-Sim consists of one digital modeler (me), one panel/gauge designer/ photographer/ packager/ manualist, one flight dynamics engineer, and one code programmer, that's it, and unlike a few other devs we didn't choose to leave our FS9 customers outthere in the cold just like that once FSX had been released.

Sure we are lagging far behind when it comes to FSX and i really hate that but you can't bend iron with bare hands as we say overhere. I am slightly more than half way with the development of the external and internal models of our first native FSX product at this moment and to leave you with another fine dutch expression : that's no cat piss.

Cheers,
Jan

 

[spotlope]

I love Dutch expressions. :salute:

 

[NoNewMessages]

... to leave you with another fine dutch expression : that's no cat piss.

Stares into coffee cup... ponders for a couple of seconds... takes another gulp!

Bring on the DC-3s, all of them!! :salute:

 

[Ark]

On finals, spraying a few bugs. Not far away.

Great news!

Thanks, Baz.

 

[n4gix]

OkeyDokey, time to leap in here again.

Points:
4) The FSX default is not actually native FSX. It is based on the old FS9 which with the best will in the World is now getting a bit "tired".

I suspect that "point" depends entirely on precisely how one defines "native FSX."

By any reasonable definition of "native FSX" though, the default DC3 meets the smell test...

1. There are two separate models; one for the exterior, one for the interior.

2. The two models were compiled nearly one year apart, the exterior on 09/04/2006 and the interior on 09/07/2007.

3. Both the exterior and interior models feature the full panoply of FSX Materials, including specular, fresnel ramp, bump mapping, as well as .dds compressed texture files.

4. Both the exterior and interior models use the FSX XML Schema scripts for all animations.

However, none of the above speaks to the relative quality of the model, nor does it preclude the assumption that the mesh was almost certainly based on the FS9 version's mesh...

I'm simply making the point that the default DC3 most assuredly is a "native FSX" aircraft!

It's also worth noting that ALL of the default a/c were built according to the specs in the RTM SDK, and have without question been adversely affected by the fundamental paradigm shifts in the modeling specs engendered by the two subsequent SDK "Service Packs."

 

[Paul K]

"I don't suppose its contains a Curtiss C-46 Commando complete with paint kit, does it ? Coupled with Air Hauler down in South America, in all those liveries...wonderful."

bugger...;>)

If by that you mean there IS a C-46 in the works, you are going right to the top of my Christmas Card list.

 

[Bjoern]

C'mon Bjoern, there's not even one payware-quality DC3 that's native FSX. It's a little early to use "another", isn't it? You make it sound like the skies are lousy with 'em.

There's the default one which counts as one. Then there's the one from MAAM which could be given the FSX treatment, which makes it two already.

However, my point is...why don't those developers make more aircraft *I* care about (e.g. a Tin Mouse. TIN MOUSE!!! Brazillions of operators, brazillions of fans.)?
Sure I can make them all myself, but it takes one effin' lot of TIME.

Yes, I am being selfish.

FSX does come with a DC-3, but it has problems, shape errors, flight model issues, and the port engine's prop turns the wrong way. It simply falls short of the mark.

The source file is open for editing...

5) "another DC3" so let me see, we're only allowed to make one of everything is that it?

Well, there's still tons of aircraft out there never done properly for FSX...so why do the popular ones two- or threefold?

But in the end, you're the developer, do whatever *you* want to do.
I am just a mere peon who simply needed to vent because the FSX add-on world is not going the way I'd like it to. (Selfish, see above.) Sorry for that.

 

[PRB]

... However, my point is...why don't those developers make more aircraft *I* care about...

Well, if we're only doing planes that *I* care about, then somebody would be working on three or four P-61s right now!

I would welcome a new DC-3 for FSX. Don't care who makes it, as long as it's good. I'll get the MAAM one when it comes out because I know it will be AWESOME!

 

[bazzar]

What is the difference between our hobby and plastic modeling? For me, very little.
In that hobby one can select from literally hundreds of different models of many well-known subjects. Do people complain when another is produced? Nope they lap it up and despite faults in the molds, inaccuracies in the shapes and more, happily hand over $100 and more for some productions and then fix them up themselves!.

"the long awaited" Spitfire IX from Tamiya is one example of "yet another Spitfire" (great model by the way). So what is it about this hobby that when one announces a new DC3 or something like that, it gets jumped on as being wasteful repetition?

It's got me beat.

And frankly questions about "quality"- well what do you want me to say, yes it's our usual rubbish, don't bother?...

And please don't talk to me about the default aircraft. We were requested to do some work there too.

 

[Ferry_vO]

What is the difference between our hobby and plastic modeling? For me, very little.

No parts breaking off when trying to remove dust. :d

But yeah, collecting Fs models is a lot like collecting plastic models to me.

And these days it is of course typical that people (The FS community in general, no one in particular) ask for a better DC-3 model than the default, and when not one but two come along (Even if one's still far away!) they start complaining there are too many models!

I for one are looking forward to both as I think the DC-3 is an iconic aicraft.