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Planes on Autobahn

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wiltzei

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And the best one.
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Some Swedish planes are especially designed to be operated from normal Scandinavian roads - not necessarily highways - and serviced by a couple of soldiers for quick turnarounds during war time in case of lost air superiority.

Added:

Some German humour, someone could translate the following into English.

Wenn hinter Fliegen Fliegen fliegen, fliegen Fliegen Fliegen hinterher.
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Awesome....

In WWII, the Germans moved their Luftwaffe to forests to keep from losing their planes to Allied bombing and attacks. Their runways were roads, even dirt roads. They still practice use of roads and highways today for emergency practice, should airfields be taken out one day in a fast enemy attack.

I think its pretty smart. We should practice that here now and then in the States. Always be prepared.


Bill
 
wiltzei said:
<object height="385" width="480"></object>Some Swedish planes are especially designed to be operated from normal Scandinavian roads - not necessarily highways - and serviced by a couple of soldiers for quick turnarounds during war time in case of lost air superiority.
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That's not the most impressive thing about that, the impressive thing is that those few soldiers are *conscripts*, say not really professionals at R&R!

Some German humour, someone could translate the following into English.
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If flies fly behind flies, fly behind flies, fly behind flies,...


(Doesn't work, the translation totally ruins the pun. Could maybe be used as a tongue breaker instead.)



Lionheart said:
They still practice use of roads and highways today for emergency practice, should airfields be taken out one day in a fast enemy attack.
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Not anymore. At least I haven't heard of any of those exercises since the cold war ended.

And most of the designated parts of the Autobahn network which were to be used at emergency airfields (turnaround pads/flightline, a concrete division between directions instead of the standard bushes/grass) have all been turned into "standard" configuration by now. The middle strips went away with road surface overhauls and the flightlines have been turned into resting/parking places.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highway_strip
The german version of this article offers some links to the highway strips on Google Maps.
You can identifly them quite clearly because of the flightlines/turnaround pads.
 
Bjoern said:
That's not the most impressive thing about that, the impressive thing is that those few soldiers are *conscripts*, say not really professionals at R&R!
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I did actually first write "conscripts", but edited the message when I realized the ex-conscripts would be normal soldiers during war time. :salute:
 
I am awarding this post the rare and coveted 'Tigisfat Medal' of interwebs and gaming. Not only is it relevant to my interests, it's beyond awesome. I only wish I could see when the F-104 lost it.

nes_medal.jpg
 
wiltzei said:
I did actually first write "conscripts", but edited the message when I realized the ex-conscripts would be normal soldiers during war time. :salute:
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Nonetheless, they'd have less experience in their military jobs than their professionally, 24/7 serving comerades. ;)
 
Both the postwar German Autobahn, as well as the U.S. Interstate system were designed with this utilization in mind.

At Ramstein Airbase, the front gate 4 lane was regularly used as a runway for exercise purposes.
 
Ever wonder about some of those long, straight, flat stretches of interstate highways in the U.S. There was a reason they were built that way.
 
TeaSea said:
At Ramstein Airbase, the front gate 4 lane was regularly used as a runway for exercise purposes.
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As far as I know, the USAF used a stretch of the 1938 built Autobahn when Ramstein AB was put into service. Later on, the Autobahn was built some southward of the base area.

Some more cold-war detail:
The Autobahn between Berlin and Hamburg (nowadays A 24) had to be re-constructed in the beginning of the 1980's. This part was located in the GDR, but the FRG payed the bill for the reconstruction, as it was used for Transit traffic to West-Berlin. As part of this building project, the GDR authorities built at least 3 auxiliary runways and aprons on this strip. The West-German taxpayers weren't too amused about paying Red Army and GDR-NVA airport facilities... :d

Cheers,
Markus.
 
stansdds said:
Ever wonder about some of those long, straight, flat stretches of interstate highways in the U.S. There was a reason they were built that way.
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Yep, and in addition to their intended purpose for emergency defense options, they also serve as ideal emergency landing sites for disabled aircraft.

There is a reason that the term IFR is often bastardized to read "I Follow Roads!" :engel016:

Ken
 
Slightly OT- I passed through Ramstein a few years ago. I hadn't been there in a while. For those that remember how Ramstein used to be- you wouldn't recognise it at all. The construction they've done there is massive.
 
Nice medal =D.

Björn, that´s so true.

Here´s some MD-10 action!
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Hawker Hunters on Swiss Autobahn.

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If you want some Autobahn landing strips, this package has 3, tihs is one of my favorite scenery packages of all time, its a bit dated by todays standards and some may take exception to the clunky FS98 statics but i think its good fun, most of the airfields are around the Berlin area,
cheers ian

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ian elliot said:
If you want some Autobahn landing strips, this package has 3, tihs is one of my favorite scenery packages of all time, its a bit dated by todays standards and some may take exception to the clunky FS98 statics but i think its good fun, most of the airfields are around the Berlin area,
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I used to have all the packages installed in FS9, but there's nothing comparable for FSX so far. Guido Weiss did a few russian airbases on GDR soil for FSX (avaible from Flightsim), but they're mostly in the more southern reaches of the republic.

I've got Neubrandenburg and Gnoien in the works, but there's still a lot I want to do there, like replacing some default objects I've placed with custom ones converted from FS9 or writing up some AI flightplans.

The long-term goal is getting most LSK airbases and some GSSD ones back into FSX (in a 1990 state and with AI traffic), with some Autobahn and grass strips to boot. Once I'm done racking up an object library things might pick up pace-wise but so far I'm too distracted by other projects I'm working on. :|

Someday...



Navy Chief said:
Are any of those landing sites visible in any payware sceneries (or meshes)?
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I doubt it. UTX for example doesn't model Autobahn parking lots or asphalted lane separation strips (not even their green counterparts), which are the only indication of those sites IRL.

You could put them in with ADEX though. A flatten for the piece of Autobahn, concrete pads for parking at both ends of the runway and a few objects, like tanker trucks and a mobile control tower to boot and you're good to go.
 
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