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Pilotless planes to be tested in N.J.

Wing_Z

Charter Member 2011
It's a Good News defence industry story...
Scan Eagle started out life as a lightweight unmanned spotter for the fishing industry, helping to avoid dolphin pods being accidentally caught in the nets.
They did a deal with Boeing, and the rest is history: Scan Eagle clocked up 17,000 combat flight hours recently.
Now they are looking at the next step, integrating UAV's into civilian airspace.

http://www.philly.com/philly/busine...lanes_to_be_tested_in_N_J_.html#axzz0qOowyFon
 
Point of order, please!

These are not "pilotless" aircraft. They are remotely piloted aircraft.

To be pilotless, they have to perform autonimously, devoid of human intervention and supervised control.

With that said, the FAA has been dragging their feet on this issue for years. Multiple law enforcement agencies across the nation are wanting to use RPA's to conduct police work, and they are an ideal platform for this use. But, the FAA has essentially put a full stop on any such use due to concerns over VFR see-and-avoid requirements.

Cheers,

Ken
 
Yes i just lifted the headline - not sure if that's just poor journalism or part of a Boeing press kit, designed to smooth the way for autonomous flight?

The first Predator B "Drones" (the preferred handle for civilians I see) have been deployed this week along the border between Texas and Mexico. They will ultimately provide autonomous 24-hour surveillance.

Federal Aviation Administrator J. Randolph Babbitt has agreed to streamline the approval process for requests to expand drone coverage in Texas and other parts of the nation, according to Hutchison’s office.
 
Yes i just lifted the headline - not sure if that's just poor journalism or part of a Boeing press kit, designed to smooth the way for autonomous flight?

The first Predator B "Drones" (the preferred handle for civilians I see) have been deployed this week along the border between Texas and Mexico. They will ultimately provide autonomous 24-hour surveillance.

Unfortunately, "drone" isn't accurate either.

A drone is a remotely piloted target.

As the door sign read when I walked into my "cockpit" at Kandahar AB, Afghanistan, "We aren't drones, we shoot back!" :icon_lol:

Anyway, I learned a long time ago most journalists are lazy and fail to find out the proper terms. Drones, unmanned, pilotless, are all terms thrown around to describe these aircraft. But, the unmittigated fact is that the only thing different about them is the location of the pilot. Vice inside the airplane, we are remotely linked to the airplane and our cockpit is on the ground.

Cheers,

Ken
 
Unfortunately, "drone" isn't accurate either.

A drone is a remotely piloted target.

Despite the fact that the military have not adopted the word for this particular use "drone" is in fact a 100% accurate way of describing them. A few slightly varying definitions for you:

4. a remote-controlled or pilotless aircraft or missile
2. a remote control mechanism, as a radio-controlled airplane or boat.
4. a pilotless airplane that is directed in flight by remote control

4. A pilotless aircraft operated by remote control.

As you can see for the purposes of this definition pilotless is taken to mean that the pilot is not physically with the aircraft that is not being operated. From this we can logically conclude that a "pilotless" aircraft is also an accurate description as demonstrated by the author of the original article that the thread was created to discuss.
 
Despite the fact that the military have not adopted the word for this particular use "drone" is in fact a 100% accurate way of describing them. A few slightly varying definitions for you:

4. a remote-controlled or pilotless aircraft or missile
2. a remote control mechanism, as a radio-controlled airplane or boat.
4. a pilotless airplane that is directed in flight by remote control
4. A pilotless aircraft operated by remote control.

As you can see for the purposes of this definition pilotless is taken to mean that the pilot is not physically with the aircraft that is not being operated. From this we can logically conclude that a "pilotless" aircraft is also an accurate description as demonstrated by the author of the original article that the thread was created to discuss.

I think the professionals who operate and create the systems have the right to define the names and terms used to describe it.

Cheers,

Ken
 
I think the professionals who operate and create the systems have the right to define the names and terms used to describe it.

Cheers,

Ken

They can try, but common usage counts for pretty much everything in semantics. This is why we see semantic shift with words changing meanings over time. Drone is perfectly acceptable in this context.
 
They can try, but common usage counts for pretty much everything in semantics. This is why we see semantic shift with words changing meanings over time. Drone is perfectly acceptable in this context.

Chris,

I realize before I even continue that this is likely a pointless discussion, but just to try one last time.

If you are required to assign multiple meanings to the same phrase, then does it not make sense to assign a different term that more accurately describes what is actually taking place?

Frankly, I don't care if you call it a helicopter instead of an airplane.

But I think you are being pendantic here.

When you ask someone in Air Force or Navy aviation what a drone is, he will tell you that it is a remotely piloted target. It is given the assignment QF such as the QF-104, or QF-4.

When you talk about a pilotless aircraft then you are talking about such a thing as that scramjet test aircraft that was launched off the B-52 and did not have a human at the controls. Everything was pre-programmed. Another example would be the RQ-4 Global Hawk before it was converted to an RPA. It originally was autonomous, flying on a pre-programmed flightplan, without human intervention, from takeoff to landing. That is the concept of pilotless aircraft.

When you talk about a manned aircraft, then that is an aircraft where the human at the controls is located inside the aircraft.

When you talk about a remotely piloted aircraft, then that is an aircraft where the human at the controls is located outside the aircraft. And, it doesn't mean always on the ground, but sometimes in the air inside another manned aircraft remotely piloting the RPA! Yes, there are tactics for that option!

Now, Chris, I've spend many years getting paid to do this. And I am quoting from official sources to make this point a final time.

Like I said, you want to call them something else, knock yourself out. But, don't confuse your personal opinion with terms the professionals use and have asked the media to adopt. Some media already have. Others are late to the game and still use inaccurate terms. As technologies change and morph it is important to use terms that convey essential differences vice use one term to lump all the various options into the same pot.

Ken
 
In Formula 1 motor racing, Mclaren developed a wing stalling device called the RW890.
It uses an inlet on the front of the car, adjacent to the letter "F" in sponsor Vodafone's script on the car.
Some motor racing hack couldn't get his head around RW80 and referred to it as the "F-Duct".
Hard as McLaren have tried to correct this, everyone in F1 calls it an F-duct.

The FAA calls RPV's "Drones" and so does everyone else.
Good luck trying to convince them otherwise.
 
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