Area 51 C-5M and C-17 update news

[falcon409]

. . . . .Some of you maintain that you need to get a life when you have hundreds and thousands of posts on a website dedicated to flight simulation?

Back off Skittles. . .I've been on since June of 05, 5 years exactly and by my count that averages to almost 2 post per day. You've been on since Feb of this year and you're averaging the same.

Their email is aimed at people who send abusive messages, of course I am not one of them. Essentially however, they are saying 'we know it's not good enough, but piss off. We don't care.

What they're saying is we don't make "High Quality" "Super Detailed" models, so don't make the purchase expecting that and then come back and bitch about later because it's not up to your expectations. . . .oh, and if you do. . .tough!!
Have a nice day!:salute:

 

[IanP]

Personal attacks, Falcon?

A lot of people, especially those on lower incomes, will agree entirely with what skittles has said. He's as entitled to his opinion as you are and he posted politely, unlike yours.

If you want to get personal, I note that your illegal scenery is still available at the library. You have no right at all to lecture anybody on anything.

Ian P.

 

[Tweek]

If you bought a fridge that didn't keep things cold you'd take it back/complain.
If you bought a car that overheated every 10 minutes you'd take it back/complain.
If you bought a meal at a restaurant and your chicken was raw inside you'd take it back/complain.
If you bought a phone that refused to make phone calls you'd take it back/complain.
If you buy a flight simulator product and complain you MUST have an agenda and need to get a life.

If you bought the fridge, car, meal, or phone and they didn't do any of those things, then they'd be failing to perform the basic functions they're built for. Thus, you'd have reason to complain.

Lets see what the product description for the C-5M is, from FS Pilot Shop:

Different MDL files for FS2004 and FSX
Very High Detail Exterior and Interior
Photoreal Textures
Detailed doors and Cargo bays
2D Panel
Flight Manual
Paint Kit

Are any of those things missing from the product? Granted, your idea of 'very high detail' may differ to others', but to me, from what I can see on the screenshots, that VC does look detailed (can't really see the small details on the external, being such a large aircraft - perhaps that's one area they should work on). Added functionality like systems and clickable switches isn't mentioned, so I can't expect that from the product. So, I assume the product lives up to the description and the screenshots, and therefore if you've bought it, you've got no reason to complain about it, unless the addon actually doesn't work or doesn't deliver something in the description. You certainly don't have reason to send abuse to the developer for providing what they've said they're providing.


If you bought a fridge that looked exactly like the model in the shop, was reliable, kept your food as cold as it should, did everything Hotpoint told you it would, but then you complained because it didn't have an ice cube dispenser, then you'd look like a bit of a moron, wouldn't you?

 

[michael davies]

Pop corn any one ?.

Sad to see a hostile debate from a closed forum spread elsewhere, but then thats what happens when you close forums, the after taste seeps elsewhere.

 

[falcon409]

. . . . .If you want to get personal, I note that your illegal scenery is still available at the library. You have no right at all to lecture anybody on anything.
Ian P.

Ahhh, so now the gloves are off eh Ian? Fine, I'll follow Jim's lead and remove my scenery from the SOH download site. I don't upload anywhere else, so it should be a simple matter to have the admins take care of that in short order.
Have a great day!

 

[Skittles]

If you bought the fridge, car, meal, or phone and they didn't do any of those things, then they'd be failing to perform the basic functions they're built for. Thus, you'd have reason to complain.

Lets see what the product description for the C-5M is, from FS Pilot Shop:.......

Well I'm not going to slag off the product, because;

1) I don't have it
2) A quick google search tells you what you need to know. In fact just check out the reviews on the FSPilot shop site.

The fact of the matter is, the developers have in the past acknowledged faults, and promised a patch for the aircraft to make them acceptable. They have now broken this promise.

Perhaps you forget that for every person who is rude in an email there are 10 people who have spent their money on this product, been perfectly polite and patient, only for Area51 to leave them in the dark.

It doesn't matter if the aircraft was the best aircraft made except for one gauge which didn't work correctly. If you promise to people who have purchased/are going to purchase the product you can't go back on it.

 

[IanP]

The gloves were never on. I told you that your UK scenery was illegal and, as someone working legally to produce UK photoscenery, I really do know how much it costs and who owns it. It is most certainly not free to use, unlike most of the US imagery. You chose to post it anyway, in full knowledge of what you were doing.

What Jim has done, and why he has done it, has no bearing on the fact that you are breaking the law. If you want to pull the stuff you've done legally as well as illegally, that's up to you. What Jim Dhaenens has done, and the reasons he's done it, are between - well, as per his request, they have nothing to do with this discussion and nothing to do with either you nor I.

Back on topic, I actually agree with both sides. I read promises made about these models, which Area51 didn't keep. I never expected them to, which is why I didn't buy the products.

On the other hand, I actually agree with all those who have posted about people abusing developers for nothing. There are an increasing number of people who want full depth systems, massively detailed textures, every nook, cranny and external aerial modelled, but they want to pay $20 for it. Flight Sims may be more or less important to individuals - some treat it more seriously than others - but I'm really glad I'm not a commercial developer. They take a lot of flak that there is neither cause to give nor receive.

Ian P.

 

[bushpilot]

 

[jmig]

Ian, I don't know anything about illegal scenery posted by Falcon here or elsewhere. However, your use of the term illegal is pretty serious and can lead to all sorts of problems. I suggest we ALL refrain from calling each other crooks and such.

This thread is about a developer and its airplanes. We will not be accusing fellow members of unlawful activities unless we are willing to prove in a court of law.

And, this place ain't no court of law!!!

However, the management do not want to be dragged into a court just because we allow members to say such things.

 

[IanP]

John, you have a PM.

 

[falcon409]

jmig,
Not a problem, IanP was nice enough to mention the illegality, I have taken the steps to remove my sceneries. Nothing else needs to be said. Back on track with the original thread.:salute:

 

[tommieboy]

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The fact of the matter is, the developers have in the past acknowledged faults, and promised a patch for the aircraft to make them acceptable. They have now broken this promise.

Perhaps you forget that for every person who is rude in an email there are 10 people who have spent their money on this product, been perfectly polite and patient, only for Area51 to leave them in the dark.

It doesn't matter if the aircraft was the best aircraft made except for one gauge which didn't work correctly. If you promise to people who have purchased/are going to purchase the product you can't go back on it.

I agree with everything above; Area 51 has to reconsider the impact that it's current stance will have on the "quiet" majority (their bread and butter).


Tommy

 

[deathfromafar]

Personally, I have never had a problem with the staff or service of Area51. The one minor issue I did have they took care of quickly. To me, they have never sold me anything that they didn't deliver on. The product does exactly what I expected it to do, no more, no less. While I agree with some sentiments here that such a public display of anger from a business is not very wise for business, I do understand within context the beating some of these folks are subjected to. It's so easy to judge from the outside looking in when you're not the ant under the sunlit magnifying glass. We all adhere to "buyer beware" and rightfully so when money is spent but we should also observe the rule of "buyer behave" and apply our concerns or criticisms in a manner befitting and becoming.

 

[Major_Spittle]

Unfortunately there are a lot of gray areas selling cyber airplanes, especially for some of the prices I have seen.

Mama always said that FSX add-ons are like a box of chocolates, ya just never know what'll get.

 

[Roger]

It's the spiteful people who will insist on interjecting in threads like this that make me wonder if SOH really needs or wants FS forums?
I was offered the oppertunity to start the Fs forum (Fs2002 then) in 2001, here at the SOH, and saw it grow to be the largest forum on the site by 2004. Maybe I never should have bothered with all the petty bickering and general unpleasantness that seems to insinuate itself into to too many threads these days.
Admin/mods close this pathetic thread please before swords are drawn.

 

[PRB]

I think this one has run its course.

 

[Henry]

It's the spiteful people who will insist on interjecting in threads like this that make me wonder if SOH really needs or wants FS forums?
I was offered the oppertunity to start the Fs forum (Fs2002 then) in 2001, here at the SOH, and saw it grow to be the largest forum on the site by 2004. Maybe I never should have bothered with all the petty bickering and general unpleasantness that seems to insinuate itself into to too many threads these days.
Admin/mods close this pathetic thread please before swords are drawn.

you seem to have similar thoughts to myself
sometimes i just wonder if its actually worth it
confused
H