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dmaloof

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Hi, I saw pics recently of the ju-87 D variant in North Afrika colors. Is this addon gonna be in the next ETO update but with Euro skins? this is one bird sorely missing for 1.31. thx.:wiggle:
 
Hi dmaloof,
the Ju 87D is in the model shop having it's pit sorted, we don't have a time frame, all I can say is it will be a while yet before upload, so won't be in the next ETO update!

Yes it will have ETO skins, as well as MTO!:)
 
Between MAW and Justflight Stukas is the D model one that has never been done or just an existing model getting some mods?
 
The D type is the one with the more steeply angled nose, and where the cockpit canopy drops towards the gunner' position. In the B and R types, the canopy roof remains level - that's the easiest feature to look for.

The MAW and Justflight Ju-87s are B-2 types, correct for the Battle of France, Britain, etc up until mid-1942 or so. The D type entered service during mid-1941, but obviously did not completely supplant the B-2 until late 1942.

On this page, you'll find profiles of all the various types, from the A with swept "trousers" to the tank-busting G.

http://www.afwing.com/gallery/ju87.htm
 
Hi, I forot to mention ETO has the b with modofied anti-tank guns to simulate the g. Althouigh Luftwaffe field personnel did modifications on earlier variants to get ant-tank guns on them. its on the second B ju-87 in ETO1.3. packs a punch! We do have the freeware G made by someone before and is available here. But its an earlier model. i am sure in future we;ll get the actual g.
Also, the D has additional armor and the addition of cannon instead of machine guns to hit armor.
 
Thanks Nigel, if anything it seems the Germans were obsessive about changing things, just couldn't leave "good enough" alone.
 
dmaloof where did you see pics of the D model? Maybe someone can post a few screen shots of the progress here! :jump:
 
Actually, the B type was rubbish. It had a very short range, some 375 miles with a 500Kg bomb load, and abysmal defensive armament. Also it was slow, maximum speed of 238 mph at 13,500 ft; cruising speed 210 mph... When it faced any determined defence, it got slaughtered.

The R type was a B type with increased fuel capacity - a good idea until you realise that the more fuel you carry, the smaller the bomb load will have to be... And so on.

The D did address many of these problems; it had twin rear guns, a bigger engine (Jumo 211F/J/P rather than 211A, giving some 400-500 bhp more), more armour plate and... was heavier. And overall slower, despite a slightly higher theoretical top speed. But it did have better survivability, and that was important, especially if you were sitting in it at an inopportune moment...
 
Just to let you sleep at night. It is in my factory. I only need to do the Cockpit and it is finished.
However I need to get my I153 done first. It is 95% done. So It won't be long before I get on to The Ju87D. I have put the Ju87D before the Me323 as I think it will be used much more.
I have been slowed down a bit over the last few weeks as I have to do some traveling.
 
ndicki said:
Actually, the B type was rubbish. It had a very short range, some 375 miles with a 500Kg bomb load, and abysmal defensive armament. Also it was slow, maximum speed of 238 mph at 13,500 ft; cruising speed 210 mph... When it faced any determined defence, it got slaughtered.

The R type was a B type with increased fuel capacity - a good idea until you realise that the more fuel you carry, the smaller the bomb load will have to be... And so on.

The D did address many of these problems; it had twin rear guns, a bigger engine (Jumo 211F/J/P rather than 211A, giving some 400-500 bhp more), more armour plate and... was heavier. And overall slower, despite a slightly higher theoretical top speed. But it did have better survivability, and that was important, especially if you were sitting in it at an inopportune moment...
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Nigel you mentioned that the D model was still slower than the B. However, is there a truly faster version of the ju 87 in the entire series? I mean, how come all were upgraded over time with more powerful engines and were still slower? Airframe perhaps?
 
seacondor said:
Just to let you sleep at night. It is in my factory. I only need to do the Cockpit and it is finished.
However I need to get my I153 done first. It is 95% done. So It won't be long before I get on to The Ju87D. I have put the Ju87D before the Me323 as I think it will be used much more.
I have been slowed down a bit over the last few weeks as I have to do some traveling.
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Who made the I153 we currently have? Dancat?
 
Autothrottle said:
Nigel you mentioned that the D model was still slower than the B. However, is there a truly faster version of the ju 87 in the entire series? I mean, how come all were upgraded over time with more powerful engines and were still slower? Airframe perhaps?
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No, no noticeably faster type at all. Even though the engine gained about 500 bhp by the time the G type came out, the weight of the thing had increased correspondingly. (Interestingly, no two sources of figures seem to agree, and some - the French Histoire et Collections books again, of course - are clearly wrong.)

As far as I can find, the B-1 had an unladen weight of 2710 kg, the B-2 2750, the C (navalised version) 2900, the D from 3900 (D-1) to 3940 (D-5), and the G lost a bit at 3930 (G-2). The G-2 was no longer fitted out as a dive-bomber, but as a gun-armed tank-buster.

So for an unladen weight increase of about 1.2 tonnes, the power increase of 400-500 bhp depending on engine type, did not do much good! Most of the extra weight, as you correctly guessed, came from airframe reinforcements, armour and of course... the engine itself!

Maximum take-off weight went from... wait for it! ... 4250 Kg for the B-1 to 6607 Kg for the D-8. That's a lot for a single engine to drag around! Maximum speed for the B-1 at about 4000 metres was 380-odd kmh, and for the D-5, about 400. That is maximum speed, not cruising speed!

So all in all, the thing went from being a sluggish lump to being a bigger sluggish lump. No wonder the Luftwaffe withdrew them from the Channel Front very quickly!
 
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