• There seems to be an uptick in Political comments in recent months. Those of us who are long time members of the site know that Political and Religious content has been banned for years. Nothing has changed. Please leave all political and religious comments out of the forums.

    If you recently joined the forums you were not presented with this restriction in the terms of service. This was due to a conversion error when we went from vBulletin to Xenforo. We have updated our terms of service to reflect these corrections.

    Please note any post refering to a politician will be considered political even if it is intended to be humor. Our experience is these topics have a way of dividing the forums and causing deep resentment among members. It is a poison to the community. We appreciate compliance with the rules.

    The Staff of SOH

  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

And then there were two (Aerosoft cancels A-10)

krazycolin said:
Michael,

Wow... IF I had known that it would cancel a project close to your heart, I would never have posted...

I'm really sorry about that...

seriously.
Click to expand...

Colin, thats ok, like many of my projects they're long fruition ones, twice I tried to bag the A-10 with Alphasim but got bull dozed by other team players, then when they were old I started and Aerosoft released theres. Once Aerosoft's one was getting a little long in the tooth I approached Aerosoft, actually I just asked on a whim if they needed any data references (see I have quite a lot from the last 10 years LOL) and they said nope, but we need a mesh, and thus the project was born :). I think the A-10 is about parrallel to the Essex for research and duration LOL.

As I said that is the problem with long term projects, but no worry, it'll sit there in cold storage, Aerosoft insist that it does sit at the front of the shelf though and my hunch is that it will come to the fore in the near distant future, just not at this present time.

Kindest

Michael
 
For the record Aerosoft have a mini poll going re the canceled A-10 project.

A-4E-F
U-2C/ER-2
F-5E/T-38C
A-37/T-37
F-84F

Naturally the A-4 has been announced as prime subject for Razbam as their next project last night after the list was posted, so thats a slim chance.

The F-84 could be F or G or both, also near the top of the list was F-104, B-57, F-8 and RA-5.

Kindest

Michael
 
michael davies said:
Hmm difficult repose, how do you define what to do or not to do, worked on ?, until last night there was no official word on a reworked A-4 so fair to say up for grabs, that post preceded Rons announcement by several hours and in truth probably prompted this thread, if it hadn't then the A-4 would have been fair game don't you think ?. How long do you leave a model in situ before you consider a newer version, be it from the original developer or a new developer ?.

Duplication, does it matter ?, we have seen recently several posts saying more is better, if it had just been IRIS in the A-10 scene Aerosoft would not have yielded, one duplicate is acceptable in many books, but three ?, nope afraid not.

U-2 yes done elsewhere, but only the new version, not the original short span from the 60's, lets see if Aerosofts post pokes Area-51 into a repose.

F-5 yes done already but getting thin in the face these days, new modeling techniques, new tricks, does it have 3D gauges ?, etc etc, where do you draw the line at another revamp, hold on for a few more months and then have a situation like the A-10.

F-84, we'll see [wink] not main stream but historically, well it wouldn't be on the list if it wasn't considered viable, same for the A-37.

Popular, well if you pick popular subjects you end up treading on someones toes somewhere, if you pick out of the main stream your criticized for doing just that.

Duplication will always arise, in the end you give up walking around everyone else and just do what you feel is best and hope for the best.

The A-4 has always had the Razbam title close behind, its what they are famous for, I doubt anyone else will attempt an A-4 commercially for some considerable time, but as they say, they hung for technology to get better before they revamped, but much longer and some one would have grabbed the pot and ran with it.

The list isn't set in stone, but an indication of the genre being looked at.
Click to expand...
Carried over from another thread.

Michael,

my post was just expressing my *astonishment* about the types in the list. If you look at Aerosoft's military releases they only had high-profile titles so far... Seahawk, Catalina, Falcon, Huey (in the works)... now A-37 and F-84, types which would fit more in Alphasim's portfolio of endangered species?
Agreed, A-4 and F-5 are high profile, nonetheless Aerosoft is the distributer of Flylogic's F-5 and that Ron is doing the A-4 I took for a given (looking at his portfolio).
Area 51's U-2 is a different version, yes, but I think there is not much room for two versions if you take Mathijs' justified argument of profitability into account.
TBH, I suspect that Aerosoft would even sell more copies of a third A-10 than of an A-37 IMHO.
I personally would love to fly the A-37, I'm just a little *astonished*.

My original question was if it made sense to propose other aircraft than the list and you answered it with your last sentence, so...
Since you seem to be "their" current modeler, and since you are known to be a carrier aficinado:
why not an air-sea-combo like they did with the Seahawk (FS9 and FSX)? Flanker and Kuznetsov, Forger and Kiew, Crusader and Forrestal, Zero and Akagi?
Just food for thought :kilroy:

Regards,
Volker
 
It seems to me that with DCS:A-10 around the corner an FSX A-10 is a waste of time and money for any dev. No one will be able to create the A10 for FSX with the amount of features and realism that they will put into the DCS version. And when you add the fact that within DCS you will be able to use the A-10 for its intended purpose, combat, it seems to be a fairly obvious choice where any buyer would want to invest $50.
 
michael davies said:
For the record Aerosoft have a mini poll going re the canceled A-10 project.

A-4E-F
U-2C/ER-2
F-5E/T-38C
A-37/T-37
F-84F

Naturally the A-4 has been announced as prime subject for Razbam as their next project last night after the list was posted, so thats a slim chance.

The F-84 could be F or G or both, also near the top of the list was F-104, B-57, F-8 and RA-5.

Kindest

Michael
Click to expand...

The two that make the most sense on this list would be the T-38 and T-37, according to my calculations:).
 
vora said:
Carried over from another thread.

Michael,

my post was just expressing my *astonishment* about the types in the list. If you look at Aerosoft's military releases they only had high-profile titles so far... Seahawk, Catalina, Falcon, Huey (in the works)... now A-37 and F-84, types which would fit more in Alphasim's portfolio of endangered species?
Agreed, A-4 and F-5 are high profile, nonetheless Aerosoft is the distributer of Flylogic's F-5 and that Ron is doing the A-4 I took for a given (looking at his portfolio).
Area 51's U-2 is a different version, yes, but I think there is not much room for two versions if you take Mathijs' justified argument of profitability into account.
TBH, I suspect that Aerosoft would even sell more copies of a third A-10 than of an A-37 IMHO.
I personally would love to fly the A-37, I'm just a little *astonished*.

My original question was if it made sense to propose other aircraft than the list and you answered it with your last sentence, so...
Since you seem to be "their" current modeler, and since you are known to be a carrier aficinado:
why not an air-sea-combo like they did with the Seahawk (FS9 and FSX)? Flanker and Kuznetsov, Forger and Kiew, Crusader and Forrestal, Zero and Akagi?
Just food for thought :kilroy:

Regards,
Volker
Click to expand...

Volker, your post was taken as intended :). Aerosoft do aim for the high profile, but given that a lot of high profile aircraft are already taken or psuedo taken your not left with much LOL.

The list has been approved by Mathijs, it would not be posted with out his approval, I am lower down the chain and whilst some are my choice, others are not, but I am happy to proceed with.

Regarding their 'current' modeler, only for this project, after this we will see if the door remains open to further offers. As you well know Aerosoft are a very big concern, the A-10 was just one of many projects in their portfolio.

Each model is there for a reason and yes as you note, some are probably more apt in the old Alphasim range but that is not the target level of fidelity asked nor intended to supply.

The scenery / aircraft combo is a respectable scenario, but to make both to the same level would be prohibative, as you may have seen on the Essex class, I am a firm believer that the ship should compliment and be of the same standard as the aircraft and that takes a lot of time, as much as an aircraft if accuracy is to be ensured.

Soviet and Japanese, always poor market items I'm afraid, very poor in fact, coupled with lack of technical data in many cases.

Tell you what and playing devils advocate just a little :), list all the high interest jets between 1950 and 1980, single seat or side by side maximum, two engines max (B-47 is an exception due to the cockpit layout) and see what you come up with, then cross reference that with other developers and see what your left with LOL.

Best

Michael

PS I think I should rename the thread from canceled to postponed but don't know how to ?. I've been asked to hold on to the mesh for the foreseeable future.
 
jmig said:
T-38C



T-38C


T-38C


T-38C


Did I say T-38C


:d
Click to expand...

Now you know full well why thats in the list ! LOL, all that behind the scenes work you've been doing wasn't for nothing :), in fact it was that 'little' project that kicked all this off, so hats off to you for putting me in contact with the 'relevant' parties :salute:.

Kindest

Michael
 
forgeknight said:
It seems to me that with DCS:A-10 around the corner an FSX A-10 is a waste of time and money for any dev. No one will be able to create the A10 for FSX with the amount of features and realism that they will put into the DCS version. And when you add the fact that within DCS you will be able to use the A-10 for its intended purpose, combat, it seems to be a fairly obvious choice where any buyer would want to invest $50.
Click to expand...

Very good point, and DCS: A-10 is a no brainer choice of purchase for me, and yes I suspect it'll quite easily surpass and FSx rendition, but, and its a big but, DCS will have a scripted environment, I wont be able to fly where I want and thats what makes FSx better, I use FSx to go places that I recall from memories, I'll fly DCS to get my combat kicks :). Two horses, two distinct races.

Kindest

Michael
 
How about adding an EE Lightning to that list? Yes..I know there's one in the works but theirs is an early model iirc. A good Panavia Tornado ,GR1/4 and ADV variants, are notably lacking in FSX. Or how about some Soviet hardware ..MiG-23/27, Su-17/22/24? Lots of potential models out there...or maybe it's just me that wants them? :d
 
kilo delta said:
How about adding an EE Lightning to that list? Yes..I know there's one in the works but theirs is an early model iirc. A good Panavia Tornado ,GR1/4 and ADV variants, are notably lacking in FSX. Or how about some Soviet hardware ..MiG-23/27, Su-17/22/24? Lots of potential models out there...or maybe it's just me that wants them? :d
Click to expand...

Soviets !, they sure have a lot to answer for LOL, no I dont think your the only one interested but for Aerosoft to consider a project (or any one else commercially for that matter) it has to fit specific criteria and sadly Soviet stuff tends to fall short, two thin possiblities are a Mig-21 and a Su-22M. Generally speaking US stock meets most of the critieria most of the time I'm afraid.

EE Lightning, I think there's two in production, one I saw previewed the other day and the other was from one of the AS staff a few months back, I'll be keeping an eye on both for the time being though :).

Best

Michael
 
My choice would be A-4E/F in Aerosoft quality, then the O/A/T-37 variants.


the A-4E/F would be an awesome chice because of all the optiins you could do with it, such as weaponds, and the many paints it has carried, including aggressor paints.
 
Bone said:
*Shock* *Faints Back*...you've never heard of the Tweety Bird?? I didn't see that coming at all.
Click to expand...

Ohh I've heard of a Tweety Bird, even seen a picture, once ! LOL, its an aircraft that does not grab me, not at all, having said that the Citation X didn't and that was the most fun I've ever had modeling for FS 'period'.

Sometimes the chase for info, the learning of something new, is as exciting as the modeling, some times even more so.

So who knows, maybe it'll be the one in the end, right now its important to keep an open mind.

Kindest

Michael
 
A-4 (Any One), A-4M , T-A4, S-3A, S-3B, AS-3B (Just a Dream)

See above for my selections. If anyone does an S-3A, I have the Weapons Systems (Unclassified) NATOPS (for what little worth it is). Since there are potentially 2 A-10s soon to be out, if someone does an S-3, the TF-34 engine will be very well represented! This is like the 'Golden Age' of FSX...great planes, great scenery, great systems to run it. Wow......
icon22.gif
 
skyhawka4m said:
My choice would be A-4E/F in Aerosoft quality, then the O/A/T-37 variants.


the A-4E/F would be an awesome chice because of all the optiins you could do with it, such as weaponds, and the many paints it has carried, including aggressor paints.
Click to expand...

Trust me, the A-4 isn't discarded on a whim, but, you'd have to do some serious milage to out class Razbam, certainly with their new 'busy' cockpit line of models they're now doing.

You'd certainly not be a popular bunny in certain circles if you went down that road, even if it were just one model in one sim, especially as Razbam will offer almost a full suite of variants on several platforms.

It could burn more bridges than the end result would garner.

The A-4 has taken more than its fair share of my waking thinking since last nights announcment by Razbam. Competition does help raise the bar, but sometimes there are lines you just dont cross, not with out seriously thinking about future ramifications, well I don't.

Kindest

Michael
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top