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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

    Post 16 Update

    Post 17 Warning

Would you Pre-Order to get a specific aircraft?

Would you pre-order an aircraft in order to get it built?

  • Yes, I'd pre-order and pay upfront

    Votes: 26 25.2%

  • Yes, I'd pre-orderassuming I wasn't charged until delivery

    Votes: 26 25.2%

  • No, I wouldn't pre-order

    Votes: 51 49.5%
  • Total voters
    103
A

AndyE1976

Charter Member 2011
Often when a developer announces they're working on a new aircraft it's accompanied by posts asking why they didn't build X and often the answer is simple economics, so I was wondering how many of us would pre-order an aircraft if that meant that the aircraft would get built?

It could work like it does with Amazon, where the pre-order includes payment details, but nothing is charged until the product releases.

The point would be to give developers some indicator of the financial viability of a product and tackle aircraft that they might otherwise not consider feasible.

Maybe this is an overly simplistic view and it would be great to hear ideas from the developers on here.
 
I think that doesn't work in our very small family-like market where the dev knows quite a prominent percentage of his customers in person from the few dedicated forums.
The number of pre-orders would probably not be an indication for anything and the customers would be p****d off when project X doesn't materialize as expected or promised.
 
Hi Depending on the information and a sure delivery time(An bigger issue with FS planes) I would(and have) preordered and prepaid-->would do again

Information I need a screenshots including panel(s) and a frame rate indication.Of course of some known deveopers(Carenado,Classic Hangar,Skyunlimited,Lionhart to name a few)

The on order thing of a specific plane I doubt it would work as maybe just 2 pals (me an Huub) pay for a new FSX Ju-88 A4

Roland
 
Only from a dev I knew would do a good job and promises a sustained high standard like A2A, Carenado, Capt Sim, Flight Replicas, Vstudios, Cera, Lotus, FS addons and Classic Hangar (no particular order of pref)
 
Hi Andy,

AndyE1976 said:
The point would be to give developers some indicator of the financial viability of a product and tackle aircraft that they might otherwise not consider feasible.
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You can accomplish the same thing by running a poll either through a couple of forums or on the developers website.

Regards,
Stratobat
 
Depends on the model (of course) and the developer, but there are a few I'd most certainly pay for and to in advance.

Make that three for the Ju-88 btw!
 
Stratobat said:
Hi Andy,



You can accomplish the same thing by running a poll either through a couple of forums or on the developers website.

Regards,
Stratobat
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The difference is that there's no commitment with a poll to actually purchase the aircraft when it's completed.

I think Mathias has a valid point about the number of people who would pre-order as an indication of total sales, but on the other hand a lot of add-ons get their publicity through the web it seems and if you pre-ordered from the developers own website then the potential for pre-orders would not necessarily be too different than the potential for a normal order. What you wouldn't get is the people that get their 'new release' info from online stores and from what they see in their local games shop.

Oh and make that 4 for the Ju88 :)
 
Sure would depending on developer of course. But how would they come up with a price before development cost is known? One developer had a 1/2 off for pre-orders and I did purchase that aircraft - Course it was only a month before release...

David
 
AndyE1976 said:
The difference is that there's no commitment with a poll to actually purchase the aircraft when it's completed.
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I would agree with you but the problem, as I see it, is that there is no commitment to purchase the product even if one does place a pre-order as pre-orders may be cancelled.

A lot can happen during a twelve to eighteen month development cycle of a product.

Regards,
Stratobat
 
Pepere said:
Sure would depending on developer of course. But how would they come up with a price before development cost is known? One developer had a 1/2 off for pre-orders and I did purchase that aircraft - Course it was only a month before release...

David
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All software development starts off with some sort of estimate, even if it is just a ball park figure. All aircraft have similar development in the sense that they each have a mesh, textures, flight model etc, the variation is in complexity and the degree of systems modelling that goes into it. A company like Aerosoft or IRIS would have a good idea of the development costs and necessary sales to make a project viable.

I agree that it would totally depend on the developer, there are some that I wouldn't consider even if they gave away their offerings, and others that the price is almost irrelevant due to the quality of work.

This was just one idea to try and overcome the 'issue' of some aircraft being produced at the expense of others due to the economic reality of running a development house. It probably isn't viable, but I thought it was worth posting.
 
Andy I think its an awesome idea. I just wish that a group of professional people would get together and donate time to develope these planes. I would be more than will to donate time to join a group like this as long as it was a quality aircraft in the end that I could enjoy.

sadly it seems, many have gotten away from the fun of this sim to trying to develope the real deal and sadly...its ruining the fun for me.


If someone would like to start a venture like this...count me in. I tried to join the P-61 venture but it seems my help was not needed so.....time to look for something else to help with......all I ask is for a quality plane, and a copy of it.....
 
Only with a developer that offers a full money back guarantee for any reason whatsoever.

Who's to say the world class developer get's run over by a bus, and the project is finished by some 11 year old who's never been near a plane in its life, much less developed worthy payware for flight simulation?

Mind you, if you would, I have a bridge you'd be interested in...:jump:
 
I've thought about this. If it's for something a bit more esoteric, I would say yes. If it's going to be mainstream, then I think a poll would be fine.

Add me to the camp that would love a good Ju-88.
 
Only if

I would pay upfront only if there was some sort of Guarantee that The Product would be Delivered at a Set time, Kinda hard to do it would seem in the World of Flightsim, But It would Really have to be a Plane I am Really Wanting....:salute::salute::salute:
 
Snave said:
Only with a developer that offers a full money back guarantee for any reason whatsoever.

Who's to say the world class developer get's run over by a bus, and the project is finished by some 11 year old who's never been near a plane in its life, much less developed worthy payware for flight simulation?

Mind you, if you would, I have a bridge you'd be interested in...:jump:
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Firstly, there would be no money changing hands unless you chose to pre-pay - which personally I wouldn't favour and secondly I envisaged this being offered by the sort of companies that consistently produce first rate products such as Aerosoft and IRIS - the sort of company that irrespective of who works on the product will ensure a quality outcome.

If the product never arrives you never pay (as is the case with Amazon) and you'd be able to cancel the pre-order at any time.

I would only see this being worth while for the aircraft that aren't mainstream and that wouldn't get made unless there was a viable financial case for it.

Obviously this is all theoretical, but I think the underlying question of how to make a non-mainstream aircraft financially viable is valid.
 
AndyE1976 said:
Firstly, there would be no money changing hands unless you chose to pre-pay - which personally I wouldn't favour and secondly I envisaged this being offered by the sort of companies that consistently produce first rate products such as Aerosoft and IRIS - the sort of company that irrespective of who works on the product will ensure a quality outcome.

If the product never arrives you never pay (as is the case with Amazon) and you'd be able to cancel the pre-order at any time.

I would only see this being worth while for the aircraft that aren't mainstream and that wouldn't get made unless there was a viable financial case for it.

Obviously this is all theoretical, but I think the underlying question of how to make a non-mainstream aircraft financially viable is valid.
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I think the answer is: First you make it, you make it GOOD, you support it RIGHT. Then they will come...

Lionhearts Skylark, Ants P2002, Aerosofts Hughes H-1 all epitomise the: "quality will ALWAYS find a market" ethos... and are all products which I didn't know I wanted, much less missed in flight sim! :wiggle:

It is no coincidence, nor is there any need for pre-payment. If the developer has confidence in the product, and the customer confidence in the developer, then money will change hands.

I have no use for military jets, but even I bought the Albatros..!
 
You know I have sort of did this . I emailed several Dev's and said I would defiantly by a F-22 Raptor ...I got a email from what was Alphasim saying they were about 80% done with theres...
 
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