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piperarcherpilot
Charter Member
My take on this whole thing - (directed at no one in particular)
I cant believe this issue keeps coming up. Its like, this is the mentality: If its 20 dollars, its a good buy. If its 30 dollars, its okay. If its 40, its insane, and if its 50, its time to throw a fit.
Wait...
Throw a fit? Whats that going to solve? And how do we have a right to throw said fit? No one is mandating we buy this stuff. No one is making us "enjoy" this hobby.
The bottom line remains; IRIS said they're well aware of the concerns about pricing, but they also have to make money with it.
So how much will it cost? It will cost whatever they decide to sell it for. That's really pretty much it; end of story. Frankly, saying "I wont buy it for THAT much!" isnt going to do anything but cause problems. Whether we all figure its too much and no one buys it and IRIS makes no money, or we all complain but still buy it, or we all think its a steal - I dont see why thats our issue. Its up to IRIS.
We just decide to get it, or not get it.
If its worth it to you, buy it. If its not, don't. That's pretty dang simple.
I cant believe this issue keeps coming up. Its like, this is the mentality: If its 20 dollars, its a good buy. If its 30 dollars, its okay. If its 40, its insane, and if its 50, its time to throw a fit.
Wait...
Throw a fit? Whats that going to solve? And how do we have a right to throw said fit? No one is mandating we buy this stuff. No one is making us "enjoy" this hobby.
The bottom line remains; IRIS said they're well aware of the concerns about pricing, but they also have to make money with it.
So how much will it cost? It will cost whatever they decide to sell it for. That's really pretty much it; end of story. Frankly, saying "I wont buy it for THAT much!" isnt going to do anything but cause problems. Whether we all figure its too much and no one buys it and IRIS makes no money, or we all complain but still buy it, or we all think its a steal - I dont see why thats our issue. Its up to IRIS.
We just decide to get it, or not get it.
If its worth it to you, buy it. If its not, don't. That's pretty dang simple.
MenendezDiego
Charter Member
I do not agree.
Letting a company know that their prices are some-what high is the responsibility of the consumer.
I am a consumer. I would like to purchase their product, but for 50 dollars I cannot. I am simply letting the company know that their prices are too high for me.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Diego
Letting a company know that their prices are some-what high is the responsibility of the consumer.
I am a consumer. I would like to purchase their product, but for 50 dollars I cannot. I am simply letting the company know that their prices are too high for me.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Diego
What on earth kind of math are you doing?
This is what I am Talking about
http://www.trueknowledge.com/q/£49.99_to_dollar
piperarcherpilot
Charter Member
Okay, but I'm pretty sure they already know the prices are somewhat high (if thats the case), and that some people cant justify the purchase. They know that.
Lets just see what happens, and get back to discussing the A-10 and not IRIS' pricing decisions.
Has anyone heard how the nightvision is actually implemented? Is it a filter of some sort of more complex?
Lets just see what happens, and get back to discussing the A-10 and not IRIS' pricing decisions.
Has anyone heard how the nightvision is actually implemented? Is it a filter of some sort of more complex?
heywooood
Mayor Emeritus of Taco City
I dunno - I think the argument - or point of view is justifiable.
If I can buy a complete simulator for 50 bucks (or other similar complete program) it does seem like paying the same or more for one 3d model (even an extremely well executed one) is somewhat hard to reconcile
I have limited myself to 30.00 max for an FSX model - this is why Carenado is so appealing, you can pay a 'reasonable' price and still get a tremendous model.
I HAVE paid more for a couple of FSX models - and while they are beautiful and extremely detailed, they also lag on my rig somewhat and that has led me to my decision...
I think people should be able to set their own limits and express those views here - to each their own I guess
If I can buy a complete simulator for 50 bucks (or other similar complete program) it does seem like paying the same or more for one 3d model (even an extremely well executed one) is somewhat hard to reconcile
I have limited myself to 30.00 max for an FSX model - this is why Carenado is so appealing, you can pay a 'reasonable' price and still get a tremendous model.
I HAVE paid more for a couple of FSX models - and while they are beautiful and extremely detailed, they also lag on my rig somewhat and that has led me to my decision...
I think people should be able to set their own limits and express those views here - to each their own I guess
I guess its Not OK to Speak Your Mind here, On a free Forum?
What do you Care what we say, Its Clear that You Intend to buy it, I am Just Trying to Figure out How Much, I did a Conversion to Dollars and it Said 49=62 U.S. If i am Wrong So Be it, But Lets Tone down the I`m Speachless Bit ok?:salute::salute::salute:
deathfromafar
Charter Member
Perhaps it's just best to wait & see how the Milviz version turns out pricewise. It looks quite stunning even though it may lack some of the features found on the Iris model like the gun & ordy. Time will tell how that one turns out and there may be a niche for all sides on this. I'm going to wait for the Milviz version and then compare price,quality, & features then decide. I will say, after seeing Razbam turn out their A-7 at such exceptional quality for $35 and Dino's F-35 at $16, I'm leaning further and further away from higher priced models which I can do without which I have done with quite a few others.
Rattler, you posted before I did but the current conversion rate is 1 Australian Dollar to 0.9719 American Dollars. At 49 AUD it evens out to a little over $47 USD.
Rattler, you posted before I did but the current conversion rate is 1 Australian Dollar to 0.9719 American Dollars. At 49 AUD it evens out to a little over $47 USD.
piperarcherpilot
Charter Member
IRIS referenced AUD, not Pounds...
So....wouldnt this be more accurate in that case?
http://www.trueknowledge.com/q/49.99aud_to_dollar
So....wouldnt this be more accurate in that case?
http://www.trueknowledge.com/q/49.99aud_to_dollar
Indeed
I stand Corrected, However I still dont see people Shelling out almost $50.00, Some will, And I have in the Past, I.E. The Virtavia B-1B, And Swore never to do that Again.... Just my Opinion. Not Saying I wont Get this Bird, but, Why not make this Bird A Bit more Affordable, I`m Sure It would Sell more Units at $40.00 than $49.00, Again just my Opinion
:salute::salute::salute:
I stand Corrected, However I still dont see people Shelling out almost $50.00, Some will, And I have in the Past, I.E. The Virtavia B-1B, And Swore never to do that Again.... Just my Opinion. Not Saying I wont Get this Bird, but, Why not make this Bird A Bit more Affordable, I`m Sure It would Sell more Units at $40.00 than $49.00, Again just my Opinion
:salute::salute::salute:
MenendezDiego
Charter Member
Everyone should go check out the Aerosoft Airbus, F-16, and Catalina prices. That's where I am coming from.
And for those who think I am simply hating, I am not trying to poke at Iris. I love their work! I absolutely adore their work and all the updates they have provided recently. Don't forget that.
Diego
deathfromafar
Charter Member
I agree with what Diego says, those of us who are flinching at the possible price feel that way for good reason. We are not attacking Mr. Brice personally or saying he's waging bad business(gouging). I personally have been a customer of his going back to FS8 but what we're pointing out is simply where some of us MUST draw a line. That does not apply to those willing to buy it at that price nor detract from the said/observed quality of the product.
As noted, we have another option for a high end A-10 coming. With all the other nice products coming along in the meantime, both payware and freeware, we will have plenty to keep happily occupied with until then.
As noted, we have another option for a high end A-10 coming. With all the other nice products coming along in the meantime, both payware and freeware, we will have plenty to keep happily occupied with until then.
piperarcherpilot
Charter Member
Well, lets just see what happens.
I think the sound in their video is superb: http://www.youtube.com/irissimulations#p/a/u/0/OoYczeCOiPI
You can really hear the changes in power. Sounds so smooth.
I think the sound in their video is superb: http://www.youtube.com/irissimulations#p/a/u/0/OoYczeCOiPI
You can really hear the changes in power. Sounds so smooth.
It looks like the prices of PRO series products at flightsimstore just went down to 40 AUD. Maybe this is what we'll pay for the A-10. That would be absolutely wonderful!!! 
EDIT: Now they went back up... lol someone's playing games...
EDIT: The prices are back down again...
EDIT: Now they went back up... lol someone's playing games...
EDIT: The prices are back down again...
warchild
Charter Member
Welll, i flew her tonight for the first time since i did the fde. I'm not really qualified to make a judgement about the price, nor will i pretend to be, but, i will say that this is one of the best models i've seen in fsx and with almost 75 gigs of airplanes, i've seen quite a few.. Frame rates wise I'm gonna ask that i be allowed a day to get fsx fully recovered and tweaked.. even my default aircraft are causing stutters at the moment..
Is It worth 50 dollars?? Welll, when microsoft developed FSX they had a large team and it cost them plenty to make it, but they were also banking on selling massive quantities of the product to flight and sim enthusiasts around the world.. Its easy for them to sell a product for 40 bucks because they know people will buy it and continue buying it for years to come. Thats not true in this part of the industry. We HOPE people will continue buying it, but truth told, after a certain point, the sales which may not even number a thousand drop off completely, leaving nothing but the occasional curious george to buy it..
Now, I'm gonna ask that you all consider how much you make per hour at your jobs. I put in over 150 hours on the A-10 myself. How much did you earn in 150 hours?? That was only part of the cost it takes to produce one of these things.. Good thing i work here for free, but others dont. It can cost anywhere upwards of several thousand dollars to create an addon for fsx. Thats without counting the personal time put into it.. Sound people have to get payed, modelers and painters have to get paid, Gauge and xml programmers have to get paid, the ISP has to get paid.. everyone gets paid.. And theres no gaurantee the plane will even sell the first unit.
We try and put in as much as we possibly can. David went way past that on this plane. Its beyond anything Iris has ever done by a very long way. Is it worth 50 dollars?? I think thats up to each of us to decide personally. Is it really that fantastic?? Yeah, I personally believe it is ( but admit i'm biased ).
I can post screens, but that will only tell you part of the story.. I'm sure others will also express their feelings.. Maybe it would be best to wait and base a decision about the value of the plane when others give their impressions of it??
Pam
Is It worth 50 dollars?? Welll, when microsoft developed FSX they had a large team and it cost them plenty to make it, but they were also banking on selling massive quantities of the product to flight and sim enthusiasts around the world.. Its easy for them to sell a product for 40 bucks because they know people will buy it and continue buying it for years to come. Thats not true in this part of the industry. We HOPE people will continue buying it, but truth told, after a certain point, the sales which may not even number a thousand drop off completely, leaving nothing but the occasional curious george to buy it..
Now, I'm gonna ask that you all consider how much you make per hour at your jobs. I put in over 150 hours on the A-10 myself. How much did you earn in 150 hours?? That was only part of the cost it takes to produce one of these things.. Good thing i work here for free, but others dont. It can cost anywhere upwards of several thousand dollars to create an addon for fsx. Thats without counting the personal time put into it.. Sound people have to get payed, modelers and painters have to get paid, Gauge and xml programmers have to get paid, the ISP has to get paid.. everyone gets paid.. And theres no gaurantee the plane will even sell the first unit.
We try and put in as much as we possibly can. David went way past that on this plane. Its beyond anything Iris has ever done by a very long way. Is it worth 50 dollars?? I think thats up to each of us to decide personally. Is it really that fantastic?? Yeah, I personally believe it is ( but admit i'm biased ).
I can post screens, but that will only tell you part of the story.. I'm sure others will also express their feelings.. Maybe it would be best to wait and base a decision about the value of the plane when others give their impressions of it??
Pam
MenendezDiego
Charter Member
Good words Pam.
I will eventually buy her, at whatever price.
Guess I was just in the moment, not having 50 to spare at this exact time, if that makes sense.
Then again, I am getting paid in a week...so I could spare the cash...I just want her!
Diego
I will eventually buy her, at whatever price.
Guess I was just in the moment, not having 50 to spare at this exact time, if that makes sense.
Then again, I am getting paid in a week...so I could spare the cash...I just want her!
Diego