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TSA head says flying is a "privilege" not a right?

Daveroo

Daveroo

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since when have they provided anything to a passenger to make it a "privlage"?...the "PAYING" passenger makes it a right to fly..there is no privlage involved...sorry this rant has to do with the head of the TSA saying that flying is a privlage not a right yesterday about the new invasive screening,what BS......that guy should be fired ...this particular situation is in the USA which last i saw was a free country...we do infact have rights which we pay fee's for and the right to fly is one of them...this man is trying to take that away...as it is..i wont fly commercail because of the TSA rules....but this reminds me of the DMV here..they tell you is a privlage to drive..not a right...well if that was true..then they should not charge us lic fees for our vehicals or taxes on roads ect...once they started charging fees and taxes...by ooour own rules and laws..it made it the right of those paying...

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrg
 
Of course it's a privelege! I can't turn up at the desk and demand to be put on the next flight to Cancun because it's my right to fly - I would expect to have to pay for the privelege to be flown there just as if I was to turn up drunk I would expect to forfeit that privelege whether I had paid for a ticket or not.
The same goes for driving. Owning a car, paying the taxes and buying the fuel would give me privelege of being able to use the public roads to drive myself wherever I wanted to go, not the right.

That's one of the problems with the world today - everyone has 'rights'. When did that happen?
 
see i disagree...like with the car...once i PAY for my lic fees and taxes for road repare..that gives me the right to drive there...it would be a privlage if i owned the roads and fixed them at my cost to me and allowed YOU the privlage to drive on MY roads free of charge...that woould be a privlage...but once i charge you to pay for the use and repair of MY roads....then that gives you the RIGHT to drive on MY roads...
 
Daveroo said:
see i disagree...like with the car...once i PAY for my lic fees and taxes for road repare..that gives me the right to drive there...it would be a privlage if i owned the roads and fixed them at my cost to me and allowed YOU the privlage to drive on MY roads free of charge...that woould be a privlage...but once i charge you to pay for the use and repair of MY roads....then that gives you the RIGHT to drive on MY roads...
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No it would be your right if you owned the roads outright but you don't own them, you merely pay for privilege of using them. That's like saying I'm a charter member of this forum, I helped to pay for Ickies new computer - that gives me the right to say whatever I like here. It doesn't. The administrators of these forums just like the real owners of the roads have afforded you the privilege of using them. Privileges can be taken away, rights can't.
 
Flying, like driving or boating, is a privilege. There is no "right to fly", you have a choice of paying for a ticket or not flying at all, but it is not a "right".

I am not in favor of TSA agents feeling me up. Running the magnetometer wand over me or a basic pat down looking for weapons I don't mind. Taking images of me that can be pornographic in nature (why anyone would want those of me is beyond comprehension) or groping my genitals crosses the line of decency. In this country, if a police officer did that to someone as they entered a courthouse, that officer would likely end up being fired for assault, but if a TSA agent does it, then it is just part of the job? No, there are better ways, it's just the U.S. government that does not want to take a stand, so it merely subjects its citizens to dehumanizing acts. What comes next? Strip and let them shove a camera up your rectum?

Now, speaking of rights, in the U.S. citizens do have certain rights and they are enumerated in our Bill of Rights. I think the bigger question would be does TSA's search policy violate the 4th amendment?

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
 
If you don't want to be subjected to a full body scan before you are given the privilege of boarding the airplane then you have the right to cancel your ticket. (Except it's probably too late by then)

I was selected for one of those scans recently - as a lone male traveller I am usually singled out for special treatment and I have no problem with it at all. I've never had my genitals groped though :icon_eek:
 
It is a privilege, pure and simple. You can buy a ticket, but when you go through security you're in a secure area. When you pass from the Gate area and through the Jetway door, you're in a secure AND restricted area...a privilege. The Gate agents, Ramp agents, and Flight Crews are your escorts and security coordinators. We've been vetted and trained out the ying-yang, and have to remain within a fairly tight behavior standard. Passengers are supposed to behave themselves, too, but many don't. In fact, there are those who have made it clear that they are the customer and are always right, then procede to do things that are all wrong for a non-vetted person to do in a secure and restricted area...that, in some cases, gets them taken off of the plane and a conversation with airport security. Airport security is different than the TSA, they can arrest you.

Most people are pretty well behaved, and understand that the face of todays aviation world is a direct result of the misdeeds from passengers of days past. But, there are still those that that run around saying "Do you know who I am. I'm an important person! I'm the customer, and I'm right!". My friend who is an FBI agent likes to say that in his business, the customer is always wrong. We all have to follow the federal rules and regs, and being a customer doesn't change that, or give you special rights.

The 911 hijackers bought tickets, the ShoeBomber bought a ticket, and every other jackhole who tried to kill or maim their fellow passengers had a ticket in their hand. Having a ticket in your hand doesn't give you rights, it gives you a seat in a very controlled environment. It's not a restaurant, it's not a movie theatre, it's not Disneyland, it's not an all inclusive resort...
 
Aviator32 said:
I've never had my genitals groped though :icon_eek:
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If you had told me when I was a small child that one day when I was an adult I was going to write that sentence and put it up for the whole world to see, I wonder how I would have pictured 2010 :icon_lol:
 
I gress a privelege, is better then nothing..
At least we are not limited at this time to travel as we see fit..

It is a lot more difficult to travel by air then only a few years ago..
But since the acts of 9/11 our country has changed a great deal..

It seems to me the bad guys have won..
They managed to change the entire social fabric in America..

And give somehow to our Goverment the Right to "feel up" anyone they wish in the name of safety..

Perhaps we are learning when we give up our "Liberties" for safety..
We may find we have neither liberty or safety..

Ben Franklin warned of this over two hundred years ago..
I wonder why no one hears his words of wisdom now..
 
This screening is nothing but a trick to make you all feel better.

I got 5$ on the next bomb won't be in the airplane with 200 or so people but in the screening line with 200 to 500 people all trapped by the TSA waiting to to be groped and have there nude body posted all over the web....

The only thing worst whan TSA screening is whan I look to Shatsa Dam. You have to have permit to drive across it do to the fear of car bombs. Homeland Security don't know about the dambuster and that no car or truck bomb stands a chance.

You all are being tricked...
 
HouseHobbit and Allen are both correct. We are trading freedom and liberty for security and safety and the security and safety we are being given is a joke. Any terrorist who is sufficiently motivated is going to make his or her statement and there is no stopping it with the fondling of a persons private parts. I'm curious as to how other nations are handling their security. I know the Israelis don't grope, but seem to be quite effective at deterring the terrorists.
 
Allen said:
I got 5$ on the next bomb won't be in the airplane with 200 or so people but in the screening line with 200 to 500 people all trapped by the TSA
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agreed, its a big laugh really, all the hassel of airport security to stop bombs getting on etc and at the end of the day the reason it was brought in was because some people hijacked a plane (nothing at all new, even in the states) then crashed said planes into buildings, they didnt blow the planes up, or indeed had any intention to ... they didnt even have bombs on them (at least no evidence of explosives where found). Also as said above, if they wanted to cause the highest death rate possible .. couple of people with vests in the lobby would be far more effective (and eaiser) than risking getting caught at security. Its not rocket science people.

Also flying isnt a right or a privilage, its a chore :monkies:
 
Even breathing is a priviledge. You think you're guaranteed to live tomorrow? The good Lord could take you in a moment... every day we have here is a gift, not a right.

And that goes to most things in this life. The only thing I'm entitled to is my paycheck after working 60 hours a week for it. ;)
 
stansdds said:
HouseHobbit and Allen are both correct. We are trading freedom and liberty for security and safety and the security and safety we are being given is a joke. Any terrorist who is sufficiently motivated is going to make his or her statement and there is no stopping it with the fondling of a persons private parts. I'm curious as to how other nations are handling their security. I know the Israelis don't grope, but seem to be quite effective at deterring the terrorists.
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That's because the Israelis don't have an ACLU. Try the stuff they do overhere and people's heads would explode. And that is why our freedoms will always be used against us. I wish we would play things smart like the Israelis, but we can't. We're too busy making ourselves easier to kill.
 
i dont have a problem with the screening..safe is safe..but no one is going to tell me...give me 100 bucks and ill give you the "privlage" to ride in my plane...bs...MY 100 bucks to that person gives me the right to it...the privlage would be if it were given free and then the whole point to this...its NOT for a government offical to tell us its not within our rights as a group to fly on his airplanes....last i looked the USA was still free and open to its rights...and not just granted "privlages"...
 
stiz said:
agreed, its a big laugh really, all the hassel of airport security to stop bombs getting on etc and at the end of the day the reason it was brought in was because some people hijacked a plane (nothing at all new, even in the states) then crashed said planes into buildings, they didnt blow the planes up, or indeed had any intention to ... they didnt even have bombs on them (at least no evidence of explosives where found). Also as said above, if they wanted to cause the highest death rate possible .. couple of people with vests in the lobby would be far more effective (and eaiser) than risking getting caught at security. Its not rocket science people.

Also flying isnt a right or a privilage, its a chore :monkies:
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yup
it is a chore
but what are the alternatives?
no screening that would open up a big door
i do not believe we can stop future problems 100%
but it is a deterrent
one week from today i will be going through all that process
i will post a comment when i get back
lookout London henrys comin home
maybe ill go up narth:salute: stiz i know where your at:ernae:
LOL
H
 
Daveroo said:
i dont have a problem with the screening..safe is safe..but no one is going to tell me...give me 100 bucks and ill give you the "privlage" to ride in my plane...bs...MY 100 bucks to that person gives me the right to it...the privlage would be if it were given free and then the whole point to this...its NOT for a government offical to tell us its not within our rights as a group to fly on his airplanes....last i looked the USA was still free and open to its rights...and not just granted "privlages"...
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I think you're missing who you're paying the money to... The guy that owns the planes isn't the one telling you it's a priviledge... just like Chevrolet, Ford and all the other car manufacturers aren't telling you driving is a priviledge, the DMV is (been in the CA DMV Driver's Handbook for decades calling driving a priviledge by the way) ;)

Point is, nobody has to let you fly. Find the amendment to the US Constitution where it says you have the right to air travel and let me know when you find it. ;)
 
Daveroo said:
i dont have a problem with the screening..safe is safe..but no one is going to tell me...give me 100 bucks and ill give you the "privlage" to ride in my plane...bs...MY 100 bucks to that person gives me the right to it...the privlage would be if it were given free and then the whole point to this...its NOT for a government offical to tell us its not within our rights as a group to fly on his airplanes....last i looked the USA was still free and open to its rights...and not just granted "privlages"...
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the usa does not own the plane
the airline does so thats not a right
even if you have paid for a ticket
they can still deny you a seat
you would get reimbursed but its not a right
my two pence
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