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RE: DAS for the F-35

As the performance data above indicates, Canada could easily suffice with the Super Hornets. The 18E/F's do have some Low Observable features to reduce RCS and they are certainly cheaper. As I mentioned before, from my discussions with reps who are in the project, there are components (such as what began this thread) which could be fitted to the Super Hornet. That coupled with other Standoff technologies & weapons could easily fulfill Canada's requirements in my opinion for a lower fly-away and long term cost. Added to that, you can be assured you're getting a rugged airframe as the Superhornet was designed from the ground up for the rigors of Sea & Carrier Ops. But my guess is that planners in Ottawa are looking further down the road and have concerns about which aircraft is best to deal with future scenarios. I would further submit that the criteria they are going on isn't as simple or short sited as it may appear.

Yes, Canada's airspace is much larger than the locations where F-16's and Gripens patrol but current CF-18 patrol routes are most likely restricted to much smaller airspace segments and bordering areas not that bigger than where the F-16's and J-39's patrol. It's a matter of what you can patrol from a practical. Current CF-18's are very short legged and trust me, if you lose an F404 engine at weight, you're going to play hell making an airfield if you're way up in remote areas hours away from a base. I wouldn't want to eject deep into the frozen tundra of the Great White North! My time in Arctic Survival Training in Alaska and Norway taught me a lot but that environment is deadly for a lightly dressed pilot even if he or she is only a short distance from civilization. I have a stack of old AFM issues which always had accident/loss reports in the back. Seeing F/A-18 losses due to powerplant failure was just as common as F-16 losses. Having two engines that close together and suffering a fire or thrown blade will bring the show to a screeching halt.
 
Probably the most aggressive threat to Arctic Sovereignty is China. Those devils are bold and cocky jocks. Russian incursions are the typical Cold War style. These two are the biggest threats to our Sovereignty and Alaska. The F-22's are very remarkable Arctic Interceptor except when it comes to Phase 1 Snow Blow, then its haul arse back to base. Of course it boils down to the Pilot and his or her training and there gut instinct knowledge of the Arctic. That is something no computer system can overtake.
 
They haven't changed that much, Bjoern. Russians may be our new friends, but they are still poking at our borders, especially since the melting arctic ice cap is opening new perspectives.

Old habits die hard. Let 'em poke, send a CF-188 up and give the pilots a wave. Nothing is going to happen as long as there's no tension between the heads of states.




I'm trying to think about what airspace J-39s can patrol...or if they patrol at all.
After all, Sweden is surrounded by nothing but friendly territory.

Unless those Finns are up to something, lol.



Probably the most aggressive threat to Arctic Sovereignty is China. Those devils are bold and cocky jocks. Russian incursions are the typical Cold War style. These two are the biggest threats to our Sovereignty and Alaska.

China is more interested in Africa at the moment and as I've said, the Russians are merely exercising old habits.
 
"China is more interested in Africa at the moment and as I've said, the Russians are merely exercising old habits."

Oh indeed for sure, but never under estimate a excellent game of smoke and mirrors. China is a very seasoned player of that tactic. As for waving, I prefer to flip the birdie finger lol at China's AF.
 
An interesting point was mentioned in the first post about CF-18's - if Canada buys 60 CF-35's, at some point a certain percentage will be in maintenance, especially since it's a fairly complicated design.

So the mission capable percentage would probably be less than a 100 Super Hornets, and with 100 Super Hornets a larger physical number would be mission capable at any one time.

If you take the F-22 as a benchmark:

"Official USAF responses say that maintenance and readiness targets must be met only when the aircraft reaches 1000,000 flight hours, but adds that F-22 readiness has improved from 62% to 70% from 2004 to the present day, while mean time between maintenance rose to 3.22 hours in Lot 6 (FY 2007) aircraft, which is better than the KPP (Key Performance Parameter) goal of 3 hours. Direct maintenance man-hours per flying hour have dropped from 18.1 in 2008 to 10.46 in 2009, which is better than the target rate of 12 hours. According to the Washington Post, however:
“The Air Force says the F-22 cost $44,259 per flying hour in 2008; the Office of the Secretary of Defense said the figure was $49,808. The F-15, the F-22’s predecessor, has a fleet average cost of $30,818.”

So out of 60 CF-35 only 35 might be mission ready given that the F-35 may have been built on the foundation of what has been learned from F-22 operations and started out at 70% readiness.

Interestingly, the article I'm reading at Defenseindustrydaily.com says:

"Numbers: Sprey and Stevenson’s sharpest criticism notes that the F-22’s small production run of under 200 planes make it the Me-262 Sturmvogel of its time. The Me-262 was the world’s first production jet fighter, with performance that could dominate any allied propeller plane. Yet the 200 or so Me-262s produced were swept from the World War 2 skies, by 2,000+ P-51 Mustangs, P-47 Thunderbolts, etc."

I noted these articles as a topic for discussion and it's not intended to be provocative except for discussion purposes.
 
Oh indeed for sure, but never under estimate a excellent game of smoke and mirrors. China is a very seasoned player of that tactic. As for waving, I prefer to flip the birdie finger lol at China's AF.

Not very diplomatic.

Remember me to cancel Germany's NATO membership if Cananda decides to start a war with China. ;P

You'd still get the occasional lend-lease Leopard 2 though...
 
Not very diplomatic.

Remember me to cancel Germany's NATO membership if Cananda decides to start a war with China. ;P

You'd still get the occasional lend-lease Leopard 2 though...


Lol that is true, but the birdie is universal lol I already got a few from them. Russian's are more diplomatic so no birdie, just a fun chase and a few signs at each other and salute. That's why I say China is the real aggressive threat and down right dangerous when there resources are threatened or running low or high cost. I'll just eat my popcorn and watch the US-China take shots at each other's currency's. Leopard 2's are very nice tanks, would love to have a column of them in the Arctic.
 
Chances are the F-35B will be cancelled. It seems to be dragging the otherwise successful program down due to technical problems according to this months AFM.
 
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