The Right P51 Mustang

Absolutely, I like the idea of the whole Accusim feature, because It has a challenge like the plane did. I think alot of people are starting to think, starting a plane now all that requires is the press of a few buttons. It's how pilots get lazy, not like the old days where there was a workout just walking around you plane, bending down to find the fuel pump, had to do all these little things to the engine to get her going. Now what I wonder about Warbird sim is how realistic the procedure is for starting it up, is it simialr to the startup procedures in the Accusim packs, how many sounds does it have, can you hear the buttons as you click them. Anyone could be swept off their feet with the amount of detail put in the Warbird sim's P51's. They however aren't as opened so it's like a surprise package. Im guessing there is a good reason for that. Ahhhh, I am patient to see how the newly refurbished A2A's P51 turns out like but getting more anctions to get the Warbird sims P51 because of the "everything" about it. I don't suppose anyone knows what would roughly be the finish date of the A2A's new P51?

Gabe
 
They however aren't as opened so it's like a surprise package.

Gabe, what questions do you have, pertaining to the Warbirdsim Mustangs? I'm completely open to answering any. I have talked at great length, in the past on this forum, about the various Mustangs covered by Warbirdsim, so-much so, that I feel that if I continue, it will just push people away.

The difference between say sitting in the cockpit of the Warbirdsim Mustangs, and any other Mustang for this simulator, or any other simulator, whether already produced, or in production right now, is that what you see is really what there is/was, with nothing made up, and nothing done without research, using original production drawings, photos, documents, manuals, etc. (from what I have seen on all other P-51D productions, either already made or currently in production, that simply cannot be said, for many reasons). For instance, I dare you to simply find another P-51D with correct fuel gages (correct gage backings, correct gage housings, and correct mounted-positions in the cockpit), and a correct assortment of gages for that matter (no more/no less than what was originally installed, and of the correct types). If as simple of details as these, cannot be reproduced correctly, what does that say for the rest of the aircraft? When you view the windscreen and canopy framing from within a Warbirdsim P-51D cockpit, it is all properly proportioned, with all of the right dimensions - the windscreen isn't vertically or horizontally stretched, as you may very well find on any other example (the FSX Acceleration P-51D is one the of the worst in this regard - though I won't name names of others, almost equally so), leading to a distorted/wrong impression as to what it is to be, seated in the cockpit, with the framing structures correctly modeled per the real thing as well, with no made-up screws/rivets/holes, etc., as you will continue to find in other productions. This same level of care continues to the shaping of the instrument panel shroud, which is also purely of the original form, and thus when you look at the forward view in one of the Warbirdsim P-51D cockpits (they are all accurately different, depending on which variant you fly) the combination of the windscreen design, instrument panel shroud design, instrument panel design and layout, is all strictly accurate and authentic, making it the only flight sim Mustang out there that you can fly, in which the views are all spot on to the real thing. And this carries through to no-matter where you look around the cockpit, either out the left or right sides of the canoppy, or deep down into the cockpit, or even back around and behind the armor plate, to the fuselage fuel tank, radios, battery, fuel gage, etc. The canopy assembly itself was all built and assembled using the original blue-print drawings, like many components throughout the cockpit and exterior models. The smallest details, like the correct type-face for all of the internal stencils and placards, or the inspection stickers and stamps throughout the cockpit on electrical panels, found on all production P-51's - these types of details aren't being reproduced by anyone else, and it is one of those things that feels very much like a responsibility of mine to make sure is incorporated.

On the exterior, the very same holds true. If you take a photo of a real P-51D, and if you are able to recreate the exact angle/zoom in the sim, you will find that every detail and contour lines up...that is why I am completely at ease, posting screenshots like this one below. It wasn't until the release of the Warbirdsim P-51D's that you could find a Mustang, straight from the developer (without my 3rd-party repaints or paintkit being used), with all of the correct panel lines, fasteners, and rivets. The same could be said about correct/authentic stencils, silver-painted wings (as all P-51D's had, leaving the factory), multiple canopy-forms (based on production location, production block, and/or restoration), correctly articulated landing gear (remember when so much attention was given to just getting that right, and almost no one seemed to be able to?), and the first to have a properly animated aerial antenna wire, removeable exhaust shrouds, fully accurate and fully reproduced gunbay, 108 and 110 gallon drop tanks, accurate and fully-modeled P-51D wheels, a total of four different authentic propeller types, correctly recreated landing gear doors, etc...the list goes on, and on, with other firsts, such as small details like the static-wire and relief tube hose along the bottom of the tail - installed on most all P-51D's, but never seen before on any other production. All of these things you simply could not find on a P-51D for flight sim use, until the Warbirdsim P-51D's were released, but you can now start to find 'some' of these being incorporated on another company's P-51D in the making (despite the fact that they insist they do not make decisions based on other's work, though those items were not incorporated on that company's product before Warbirdsim introduced them). Some of the points I am most proud of, however, is being the first to truly capture the correct contours of the nose, belly scoop, and tail, and the first to actually incorporate the original laminar airfoil into the wings, just as they really are - it's any wonder why such an important detail of the Mustang was never reproduced before - based on how others have modeled the Mustang, it simply shouldn't have flown like a Mustang in the sim.

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I have to stop myself short of posting side-by-side comparisons, between my work and other's work, and that of the real thing, and how they stack up, as that would be frowned upon by many, I suspect...that is something that can be done by anyone else, though there seems to continue to be a reluctance to do so... While I have actually read comments by some, along the lines of, "companies only choose to continue to produce the P-51 for flight sim because it sells well", the one and only reason why Warbirdsim and I ever got involved with the P-51, was to finally provide ourselves, and the community, the opportunity to have a flight sim reproduction of the aircraft, that was unlike all the rest, and thus fixed all the problems we saw continuing to be made with other examples. This attitude really took off when we began work on the P-51D's. Some like to use the letters "YAM" to describe any flight sim P-51, as "yet another Mustang", however I don't believe any of the Mustang products released through Warbirdsim could be grouped into that, but if there is little concern for what I have described above, with all that has gone into these aircraft, and how they are so different than all of the rest, it is understandable. The fact that the products are sometimes priced as they are, is simply due to getting returns that allow us to invest the incredible amounts of time on these aircraft, that we otherwise, without compensation for, would not be able to do, as I know from my end, it is very much a full-time commitment.
 
John, being an ole timer, I have flown just about every P-51 Mustang produced for Microsoft Flight Simulator from way back. I still have all the install files on saved discs. After purchasing the Warbirdsim P-51D three pack just offered for winter sale, I have removed all the previous versions from flyable aircraft in FSX. For me there is no reason to have the others because of the fantastic Mustang from Warbirdsim. Even with all the years of flying the P-51 in simulation I am still learning and find the new features you mentioned about really cool.

I for one thank Warbirdsim for producing such a fine product and for the countless hours it takes to do so. I have been a humble painter who got his start with Graham from Australia in the old days. Another friend was the special effects man Hermann Boltz (Krazy) I am sure these guys would appreciate the Warbirdsim Mustang as well.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.
 
John, being an ole timer, I have flown just about every P-51 Mustang produced for Microsoft Flight Simulator from way back. I still have all the install files on saved discs. After purchasing the Warbirdsim P-51D three pack just offered for winter sale, I have removed all the previous versions from flyable aircraft in FSX. For me there is no reason to have the others because of the fantastic Mustang from Warbirdsim. Even with all the years of flying the P-51 in simulation I am still learning and find the new features you mentioned about really cool.

I for one thank Warbirdsim for producing such a fine product and for the countless hours it takes to do so. I have been a humble painter who got his start with Graham from Australia in the old days. Another friend was the special effects man Hermann Boltz (Krazy) I am sure these guys would appreciate the Warbirdsim Mustang as well.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.

Thank you very much for your feedback, Tom, it really means a lot to me!

I still think back, from time to time, to when the most accurate-looking Mustang I could get my hands on, early in FS9 (mid-2003), was the Roger Dial freeware example, and all I could think about was how nice it could be to have a VC with this aircraft, much less concern myself with the most basic of details. : )
 
I think as FSX addon consumers we are very lucky to have such a great choice in ultra quality Warbirds.I can't see how you could go wrong with either Developer.They both share a zealous passion for our hobby and the aircraft
 
Hey, I remember that old mustang too! I must say I never liked that one.
There was another one by someone with a japanese sounding name I forgot that I flew for a while, until I found the A2A/Shockwave version, my very first payware ( and repaints)...and now the wbs ones, lovely stuff.
We've come a long way since then...
 
There was Andrew's as well, but I believe Jan Kees is thinking of Shigeru Tanaka (a name that still easily comes to mind).
 
There was Andrew's as well, but I believe Jan Kees is thinking of Shigeru Tanaka (a name that still easily comes to mind).

That's the one! I had fun with that one for a while, but it was one of those 'no repaints allowed' aircraft, and I wanted to make a paint of a plastic model I'd just found in the attic, so I looked elsewhere, and found the Shockwave Stang...
 
I have both and love both. John did a ton of detail on his P-51s and the price is hard to beat. Bomber did a BEAUTIFUL Bird with so much eye-candy it should be too hard to resist. Just wait till you get her off the ground and in the air and listen! She flies like wild mustang...no pun intended! Get BOTH when A2As new P-51 comes out!

Judging by the A2A's Spitfire the P-51 with the updated Accusim is going to be nothing short of AMAZING!!! I'll say again GET BOTH the P-51 by A2A will not be that far away in the future. The P-40 is next and the upgrade path to P-51 will not that long. By the way study up on Tex Hill's accurate assessment of the P-40 in low-level fighting against the Japanese. It was a better fighter than some modern writers give credit. If you go on the A2A site and read about the P-40 the Brits and Aussies gave it a good thumbs up too! It wasn't a Spit, a P-47, or P-51 but it did the job very well in capable hands. My information on the P-40s ability in low-level combat came first hand. Tex Hill was a neighbor when I was kid and all the kids on the block loved to hear Tex's accounts of the beloved P-40s.
Ted

Ted,

Could you recommend a book title containing Tex Hill's assessment of the P-40?

Many Thanks,

JAMES
 
Ted,

Could you recommend a book title containing Tex Hill's assessment of the P-40?

Many Thanks,

JAMES
Here ya go James:

David Lee Hill and Reagan Schaupp - Tex Hill: Flying Tiger ISBN 1-885354-15-0

http://www.warbirdforum.com/avg.htm

The book is hard to find but it is out there. The forum I listed second suggests that the author romanticized Tex Hill and the P-40 but there many excerpts where Tex and other famous Flying Tigers gave testimony to the agility and ability to absorb great punishment and still secure the objective. The combat record of the P-40 speaks for itself. It was an available lend lease aircraft used by the British, Aussies, Russians etc., those pilots who learned how to best use the P-40 extol it's virtues especially the later models.
 
Here ya go James:

David Lee Hill and Reagan Schaupp - Tex Hill: Flying Tiger ISBN 1-885354-15-0

http://www.warbirdforum.com/avg.htm

The book is hard to find but it is out there. The forum I listed second suggests that the author romanticized Tex Hill and the P-40 but there many excerpts where Tex and other famous Flying Tigers gave testimony to the agility and ability to absorb great punishment and still secure the objective. The combat record of the P-40 speaks for itself. It was an available lend lease aircraft used by the British, Aussies, Russians etc., those pilots who learned how to best use the P-40 extol it's virtues especially the later models.

Outstanding! Thanks again, Ted.

JAMES
 
Here is an interesting series on the P-40 on youtube 1 of 4. While it was rarely a tit for tat match with most of the fighters it came up against in the right hands it earned the reputation as one of the deadliest fighters.

http://youtu.be/xRkdkgmGXx8

I have this documentary on VHS somewhere (when I was really sick, my uncle brought me blank tapes by the 12-pack) buried in the basement. The P-40, flown within its limits, gets my vote for the most underrated fighter in WWII, semi-tied with the Hawker Hurricane. The reason the P-40 edges out the Hurricane in my book is because I trace the Hurri's being underrated largely due to it's operating alongside the Supermarine Spitfire; sort of like a hardworking, industrious daughter, who has a prettier, more outgoing sister.

JAMES
 
When they get the sound right, then I think they will have A2A beat for a mustang sim, But waiting for A2A is...:sleep:
 
I had a bit of money left in my PayPal account from a gift, and I pulled the trigger yesterday on the Warbirdsim P-51D Part 2 on sale at PC Aviator. It is superb. Thank you PilatusTurbo for the heads up. I'm on an austerity budget, and could never have justified the 50 USD+ price tag. After the VRS Superbug, this a/c impresses me for level of detail more than any other, and it was suprisingly easy on the frames. For the sale price, it was definitely worth it. If I had the money, I'd have all the P-51 models. I'm a long time flightsimmer, but only a few months in on FSX, so I feel I have to qualify my recommendation. Still, I'm very impressed with what the people at Warbirdsim have accomplished with this model.

JAMES

PS I think tomorrow midnight is the end of the sale, so the clock is ticking.
 
Alright, I know now that Warbird sim has done it. I will do it, gonna skin the time from Christmas and buy P51 little friends today. Was looking the "the right" P51 for years and I believe I'm looking at it right here. This one will be the flagship of Flight Sim X, cheers guys :icon29::medals:
 
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