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How to get bombers to dogfight

BeauBrummie

BeauBrummie

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Why should I want to do this? Well to recreate the large number of instances where Coastal Command heavies fought the Luftwaffe Sea Eagles. I have read many accounts where Libs, Sunderlands, Halifax's, Fortress's, Wellingtons etc took on attacking Fw 200's, He 177's, He 111's, Ju88A's (you get the picture). I need AI versions to attack player formations. Is it a simple case of changing the XDP to re-classify the aircraft as 'fighter bomber' and include bomber intercept in the mission types?

Here's the latest example I've come across:

"...another equally-remarkable battle was being fought out in the vicinity of the main body of ships. Pilot Officer A. Wilson and his crew, on board Consolidated Liberator 'K' of No. 224 Squadron, Royal Air Force Coastal Command, had been engaged in providing anti-submarine cover. Since their duty was to do everything possible to ensure the 'safe and timely arrival of the convoy', they decided this could include air-to-air combat. As the heavily-laden Heinkels started on their straight-and-level attack runs with the glider-bombs, the British crew was able to cause consternation. The first He 177 they attacked broke away, trailing smoke. The second jettisoned its glider-bombs and made off. Pilot Officer Wilson followed and his front gunner managed to get in a good burst which caused the enemy's starboard engine to smoke. In the event, the German bomber escaped into a patch of low cloud. The Liberator then returned to the convoy, where two more He 177s were engaged.

All-in-all, it had been a remarkable series of combats, the large heavy bombers cavorting across the sky in lumbering imitation of their single-engined counterparts. Wilson's aggressiveness undoubtedly contributed to the fact that the German bombers did not succeed in scoring any hits with their glider-bombs on ships in the main body of the convoy; nor did his Liberator suffer any damage from the return fire."
 
...dunno 'bout mission building, but in quick combat I've had some crazy/fun battles with ai (the infamous) --I think I pitted a Wimpy against a Heiny -Lanc vs. Italian P-108... -try it its a riot :icon_lol:
 
BeauBrummie said:
Why should I want to do this? Well to recreate the large number of instances where Coastal Command heavies fought the Luftwaffe Sea Eagles. I have read many accounts where Libs, Sunderlands, Halifax's, Fortress's, Wellingtons etc took on attacking Fw 200's, He 177's, He 111's, Ju88A's (you get the picture). I need AI versions to attack player formations. Is it a simple case of changing the XDP to re-classify the aircraft as 'fighter bomber' and include bomber intercept in the mission types?

Here's the latest example I've come across:

"...another equally-remarkable battle was being fought out in the vicinity of the main body of ships. Pilot Officer A. Wilson and his crew, on board Consolidated Liberator 'K' of No. 224 Squadron, Royal Air Force Coastal Command, had been engaged in providing anti-submarine cover. Since their duty was to do everything possible to ensure the 'safe and timely arrival of the convoy', they decided this could include air-to-air combat. As the heavily-laden Heinkels started on their straight-and-level attack runs with the glider-bombs, the British crew was able to cause consternation. The first He 177 they attacked broke away, trailing smoke. The second jettisoned its glider-bombs and made off. Pilot Officer Wilson followed and his front gunner managed to get in a good burst which caused the enemy's starboard engine to smoke. In the event, the German bomber escaped into a patch of low cloud. The Liberator then returned to the convoy, where two more He 177s were engaged.

All-in-all, it had been a remarkable series of combats, the large heavy bombers cavorting across the sky in lumbering imitation of their single-engined counterparts. Wilson's aggressiveness undoubtedly contributed to the fact that the German bombers did not succeed in scoring any hits with their glider-bombs on ships in the main body of the convoy; nor did his Liberator suffer any damage from the return fire."
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Jeff,

I think that will work for missions. Experiment a bit to check.

What Pops said, I have set some things up in QC myself that turned out to be very interesting, not to mention downright weird to observe.

I have also witnessed ai bombers in online missions acting very strangely, maneuvering and fighting like winged devils.

So, yeah, try it and see what happens.
 
don't know if it will work. CFS3 is setup for singleseat fighters dogfights, it's behaviour is rubish with heavy twin engine fighters so I can imagine it's a disaster with 4 engines heavy bombers.

while flying in the bay of biscay, I use to engage enemy bombers and it's quite immersive. It's a very diffcult task because you have to be close enough for your gunners to fire without being hit by return fire. Some of Germans aircrafts are fitted with 20mm guns, ut's nearly suicide!! :icon_lol:
 
...Its a funny thing but ''now that you've mentioned it'' Whilst ferrying Wimpys from Gibralter to Egypt, on the second leg, coming out from Malta at dawn, We spotted a group of 'Sparrows' on their way to attack the island. Well, its prolly less than wonderful to have a maniac for a flight leader, but I turned our group right into them -(8 of us and approx. 6 SM-79's) and our gunners were hot! I heard at least 3 of the Italians explode into flames from our lead plane alone and could tell there was more fighting further back in the group. We were flying in circles -some to the right and the rest anti-clockwise. (like a besieged wagon train from the early American wild west) I'm sure at least 3 Sparrows wound up in the drink! Their escorts (3 or 4 CR-42's) also took a beating... As the rest of our group were busy dispatching their lot, we (in the lead plane) managed to chase one of the Fiats back towards Malta, and closed in close enough for our forward turret marksman to set him ablaze!!! At that point I decided to regroup and return to our Easterly course with out a loss, and with nary a scratch. We didn't shoot down that last CR-42, but the poor blighter got away from us as fast as his lone Fiat would carry him. Well I must go back and releave the co-pilot, bye for now. Capt P.aka

Justin's ''JW Wimpys to the Med'' are a beautifully written set of missions!

...and yer dang right bombers can dogfight!
 
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