Won't happen unfortunately. Rumours are that the candidate for the replacement of 339's is the M.345, formerly known as M.311. That is, if they ever get the money to do so...
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IRIS Yak-130
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Won't happen unfortunately. Rumours are that the candidate for the replacement of 339's is the M.345, formerly known as M.311. That is, if they ever get the money to do so...
.........AKA SIAI Marchetti S.211, only differences are EFIS instruments and oxigen sys. It's NOT an AerMacchi product, as is not the SF.260 they're selling nowWon't happen unfortunately. Rumours are that the candidate for the replacement of 339's is the M.345, formerly known as M.311. That is, if they ever get the money to do so...
Of course, but SIAI Marchetti doesn't exist anymore. It's the same as for F/A-18E/F/G's for example, they're now Boeing, not McDonnell Douglas or Northrop.:mixedsmi:
CORRECT!..................if you are a sales manager
not so much if you are an aviation enthusiast.........or are we going to have BOEING f-4 Phantoms and\or Hornets, Buccaneers from British Aerospace............maybe AerMacchi S.79 Sparviero? and how's about Grumman? the fact that an aircraft company doesn't exist anymore doesn't mean that us enthusiasts shouldn't give the right credits for the projects\aeroplanes developed.
I hope for AerMacchi to sell thousands of M345, but that doesn't mean that the plane they're now trying to sell is just the 1.01 version of the S.211 JPATS program made in partnership with Grumman.
Moreover the "way" SIAI was closed and the projects given away........rather "funny" or "strange"...enough said..................................................
If they plan to go to Le Bouget for showing\selling planes, then it is business, and they have the right to put all the names\stuff they want, but since this is a forum re. historical\vintage plane can't we be more honest? When a plane is made by one company becomes part of an historic heritage which can't be honestly denied.
I used to fly the 260 when the hourly cost was still "human".....never occurred to me to say "type AerMacchi 260" in frequency, everybody has always understood, couldn't say the contrary..........
In fact all credit goes to SIAI-Marchetti for the 211 AND the 260, but the M-345, while based on the 211, is a substantially new machine. New engine, like you said EFIS, OBOGS, revised structure with vastly increased use of composite materials, landing gear. Not counting all those aerodynamic changes such as new air intakes, wing fences, wingtip redesign, ventral fins, horizontal tail plane. All in all, it may very well be a new plane, even more so when you compare the flight envelopes and the maintainability of the two aircrafts. In all honesty, that alone, justifies its new brand name. Maybe Stelio Frati would disagree, but I would never call the 311/345 just another SIAI-Marchetti product. Just my 2 € cents.
Getting back on topic, I hope work is still continuing on the IRIS Yak-130! I'm eagerly waiting for new screenies!
vonstroheim
Charter Member
More Yaks and Migs
Yes, that's the spirit!
Did you know that there is a FSX freeware Yak-130 by Hadi Tahir? (FSX_Yak130.zip @ Simviation) Ok it's a bit on the simple side, but it's FSX native, so you can swap your favorite VC in, if you don't like the one made by Hadi... while waiting for the Iris version...
Hadi Tahir, with Harri Thaha (both from Indonesia I suppose), are also responsible for a nice MiG-25 PD (ht_mig25pd_0.13.zip @ Avsim), also FSX native! VC swap advice: Ivan's Mig-21MF?
And Hadi Tahir also made the VTOL Yakovlev Yak-141 (1y141muv1.zip @ Simviation). Rob made a VTOL gauge for it.
Did you know Lockheed bought the VTOL design from Yakovlev when they worked on the F-35B? The similarity shows quite a lot... Sometimes collaboration is the way to go...
Scenery: Koszalin by Pawel Aziukiewicz (Avsim), SSN Kirov by Hadi Tahir? and Mark Harper? (can't remember where I found it: KIROV_CGN.zip).
And now back to the topic, the Iris Yak-130...
Yes, that's the spirit!
Did you know that there is a FSX freeware Yak-130 by Hadi Tahir? (FSX_Yak130.zip @ Simviation) Ok it's a bit on the simple side, but it's FSX native, so you can swap your favorite VC in, if you don't like the one made by Hadi... while waiting for the Iris version...
Hadi Tahir, with Harri Thaha (both from Indonesia I suppose), are also responsible for a nice MiG-25 PD (ht_mig25pd_0.13.zip @ Avsim), also FSX native! VC swap advice: Ivan's Mig-21MF?
And Hadi Tahir also made the VTOL Yakovlev Yak-141 (1y141muv1.zip @ Simviation). Rob made a VTOL gauge for it.
Did you know Lockheed bought the VTOL design from Yakovlev when they worked on the F-35B? The similarity shows quite a lot... Sometimes collaboration is the way to go...
Scenery: Koszalin by Pawel Aziukiewicz (Avsim), SSN Kirov by Hadi Tahir? and Mark Harper? (can't remember where I found it: KIROV_CGN.zip).
And now back to the topic, the Iris Yak-130...
Not a fan of this here attitude one bit, and I'm going to be as nice as possible as I'm not looking to upset anyone, but I feel this is quite a cheeky comment. If you want an aircraft made that hasn't been made already then why don't you learn how to make an aircraft yourself instead of writing up here about how these people with high caliber skills make obscurities. At the end of the day there is something new for you to go fly about in that hasn't been made before so if you look at this in another perspective there's a chance for you to get introduced to an aircraft you may never have considered before, I know because there are a few airplanes where I wouldn't have looked twice at but I fly them more regularly than others.
I'm on a few other forums about real life and not simulator life but this kind of cheek easily gets people banned and a lot of people get called a sourbake because of it, so I'm not having a go at you but throwing my pennies worth into the discussion, as it disgusts me that some people like to think that because they feel an aircraft being made by a developer is not to their liking doesn't mean that they feel it's their divine gift to have it made. At the end of the day a child would not be allowed to behave in such a spoilt manner.
Maybe it's not your or anyone elses problem but the fact that we're spoilt for choice on the amount of aircraft being made for fs and the amount of transparency developers give the general public into development by taking opinions of the user into consideration and I also appreciate a lot of people would agree with yourself but it's just not the attitude to have and I am sure there are a lot of other aircraft in your hangar which you could go fly. We certainly don't lack for choices in this day and age now fsx is 6 or 7 years old, and it seems a shame to me that people can be so demanding and have such a want for nothing. I'm not saying I'm perfect because no one is. Maybe there is a more constructive means of getting your point across than having a yap on here.
Rubberlegs
Charter Member
My bit of Coin..!
Just my little "Klink of the Coin"
...Only to happy to pay out a few 'bob' for a YAK-130..Nice looking bit of machinery and it has a little touch of 'Italian Design' to boot. Now if IRIS could only see their way clear to throw a YAK-28 at us, (think of all the repaints!)I for one would visit the local pawn shop to acquire the funds to buy it!!
Sorry!..just don't need another 'Tanger' in the hanger.
"Fly High..Punch Holes in the Sky"
Walt
Just my little "Klink of the Coin"
...Only to happy to pay out a few 'bob' for a YAK-130..Nice looking bit of machinery and it has a little touch of 'Italian Design' to boot. Now if IRIS could only see their way clear to throw a YAK-28 at us, (think of all the repaints!)I for one would visit the local pawn shop to acquire the funds to buy it!!
Sorry!..just don't need another 'Tanger' in the hanger.
"Fly High..Punch Holes in the Sky"
Walt