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CIA and NSA Sprays chemichals over Sweden :-D

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Peter SWE

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In the News today a smalltown politician from the Green party (enviromentalists) says that the contrails from tubeliners over Sweden are actually "chemtrails" filled with chemicals and viruses designed to controll the weather.
We have had the coldest and wettest summer here for a couple of hundred years and now Pernilla Hagberg goes out in the media and states that it is because of the chemicals that get sprayed from us aircrafts that pass our airspace.
According to her this is ok:ed with the Swedish goverment so they are also in on it.

She says: "To stop this we first have to get the aircraft mekanics to stop mounting these cannisters on the planes."

The full article is here: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article15478012.ab
:salute:

Conspiracy theory anyone?
 
I live in Salto, Uruguay (SUSO). As an early fan of aviation i know very well what a contrail is, but 3 years ago i started to notice that big contrails started and finished at the norht-south limits of my city. They got bigger in ours and almost covered the sky, something was not well with that. Now there's about two months without chemtrails and now it rains. They seemed to disolve clouds.
 
And remember that the world ends on December 21, 2012, at least according to the completely mis-interpreted Mayan calander.
 
Oh yeah, I cant count the times I've had to Code-3 one my jets for the chem trail makers being inop.

-Jeff
 
I must say, at least ones, I have seen the sky over Phoenix go overcast from jet fly-overs. From the morning, many many jet trails, and by noon, the sky was totally overcast. It was a bit odd since it was all from jets. Nothing blowing over from the west or east.



Bill
 
Its long been know that the jet engine has a higher fuel consumption rate at low altitudes than at higher altitudes. At the current cost of fuel this is a considerable expense to the airlines.

Effectively once you take off there is no way to reduce the fuel costs of the flight without reducing weight. For years its been considered poor form to jettison passengers, baggage or crew in the attempt to reduce weight. But the major aircraft manufacturers have found out that your can reduce the overall weight of the aircraft and save fuel expense in the process. This is done by a modification know as the "BLUE water Injector". Jet engines with the modification inject "BLUE water" into the exhaust much like an afterburner functions.

The "BLUE water" becomes steam once it hits the engine exhaust. The steam vapor hits the air and freezes into ice crystals. The ice crystals are denser because they contain more solid matter than the pure water that would normally come out a jet engine. These denser ice crystals take a much longer time to disperse in the atmosphere.

This is the reason why contrails seem to take much longer to disperse in the air.

So you see this whole theory of Chemtrails is just a load of S**T.
 
It's bad enough when average nut cases go on the air with these kind of conspiracy theories, but it's worse when politicians do it because the more gullible in their audience automatically give them added credibility because their status as government officials supposedly gives them access to information witheld from the rest of us.
 
Reply...

Good afternoon,

I guess the midnight sun makes you a little crazy after a while...
 
Persistent Contrails

The authors of the quoted news report were quite mis-informed about the subject they were reporting on. The idea of airline captains running out on the tarmac and strapping on the gas canisters prior to rollback is quite amusing but entirely misleading.

Dave's blue water injection model certainly explains a persistent contrail to some degree, however it does not address the presence of aluminum oxides and barium salts found in samples gathered in high traffic areas.

Persistent contrails have been researched and well documented for many years now. The results of hundreds of studies have been published and are readily available for anyone seriously interested in understanding this phenomenon. One such study found 1500 times the allowable safe level of aluminum oxides (at a micron level only achievable in the laboratory) in the snow pack on Mt. Shasta in Northern California. These samples were taken at an elevation of almost 14,000 ft. The only way for this material to get into the snow pack was to come from the sky.

The US Government acknowledges that they have been practicing "Geoengineering" in the atmosphere for years to slow the effects of "Global Warming". This is done without consent of the general population or local governments in the fallout path of the ongoing ops.

I live at 7,000 ft. 90 NM due west of the Tonopah beacon in Northern California. I know the low and high altitude jetways in my area intimately. The typical traffic vectors off the beacon to any number of high traffic waypoints to the west. I have documented the "chemtrail" activitiy in my area in depth since 1999. I can say as a certainty that there is an un-explainable phenomenon occuring in the grid like contrailing and the atmospheric changes following these patterns. The grid contrails are not consistent with the wind patterns at those altitudes. Downwind drift does not account for the mathematical geometry in the patterns. I have also personally witnessed a formation of four large aircraft, approx 20-25,000 ft. approx airspeed 250 knots, producing a group of parallel contrails that persisted for over one hour before they dispersed into a whitish haze. These aircraft maintained this formation South to North direction from horizon to horizon.

I have ammassed a very large archive of material on this subject (and many others) including numerous patents for delivery systems, including internal engine mods to accomodate the new generation fuels that apparently contribute to the persistent contrail phehomenon.

One very simple way to verify recent changes in the ambient atmosphere is to go out on a day when cumulus clouds are present in your area. As the clouds pass across the sun, you often will see a rainbow tinge at the edges of the clouds in the area around the sun. Polarized sun glasses work very well for this. Take a close look...these colors are not in the spectrum of light refracted through water vapor. The colors are closer to those seen in an oil slick on water. The only rational explanation is that there is a significant amount of ambient polutant in the atmosphere contributing to this effect.

I can assure everyone on this forum that I am completely sane, quite rational and only respond to verifiable data...no tin hats.
All of my information has been thoroughly verified, vetted and is readily available in the public domain.
If anyone is seriously interested in additional information on this subject please feel free to contact me on this forum. I will be happy to direct you to any information you may require.

I have the highest respect for everyone on this forum and I fervently defend their right to express their opinions. Please respect mine and refrain from reactionary comments.
 
Allow me to offer an opinion. I recently retired from 25+ years on the production line of a well-known airliner manufacturer. In that time I worked on several popular airliners currently flown the world over. I have been in the wings, engine pylons, and all through the fuselages. I can catagorically state that there are no factory installed systems to pump anything but fuel into the engines (sorry Dave). Anyone who suggests that CIA operatives secretly installed something in the planes doesn't know how modern airliners are put together and inspected. The tanks, plumbing, pumps, valves, and switches could hardly go un-noticed, not to mention the fact that the FAA would have to buy into this in order to allow these systems to be certified, serviced, and maintained. I can't speak for what may happen to the aircraft after they leave the factory, but these schemes seem far-fetched to me.
 
It's ok that they inject blue water in the exhaust cam of the engines, but the case is that these ''contrails'' seem to be turned ON just over big population centers. They really get the skyes overcast and they cover the sun and even lower the air temparute. It's normal to see a rainbow-cloud in a sunny day just after a jet left it's ''contrail'' over the city? i know that the jets leave contrails when the weather is bad, but even in good or bad weather they spray on of over the cities. That's not a conspiracy, is a reality that most of us can see every week in our skyes. Some are skeptical to the conspiracy topic, but it is IN YOUR EYES, they are spraying over your head and they want you to believe that are vapour contrails. Or it's a cassuatlity that the jets fly for miles with the engines off and just over the cities they turn them on and after they pass the turn on again and the trail leaves and start to spread over the citie to almost cover the skyes?
 
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