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  • Please see the most recent updates in the "Where did the .com name go?" thread. Posts number 16 and 17.

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New WBS Mustangs....

Finally, some F-51s. I hadn't realized the ANG F-51s ended up having their tail wheels locked extended like the P-51H's did as well. It looks like a great pack, I'm looking forward to it.
 
Although I've been quite happy feeding my Mustang fix with the 'Little Friends" pack, I must say that I really like what's in this one, and will certainly buy it. I didn't buy the A2A 'stang, because, well, how many Mustangs does a guy need...right? Well, dang it, now there's this one! Ka-Ching!
 
Really great looking mustangs :jump: sorry just converted to the dark side, and one of my first buys was a WBS Mustang (Restored Part 2 pack).

Loving it :)

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Although I've been quite happy feeding my Mustang fix with the 'Little Friends" pack, I must say that I really like what's in this one, and will certainly buy it. I didn't buy the A2A 'stang, because, well, how many Mustangs does a guy need...right? Well, dang it, now there's this one! Ka-Ching!

How many mustangs does one need, Bone? A herd! :mixedsmi:
 
Thank you John for posting the link to that album, and thank you to those who have ‘liked’ it, and the compliments, I greatly appreciate it! It has been a marathon project, initially started last summer, and then picking up steam in late October. The product is finally set for release this week.
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Here is some more information and screens, taken from a section of the product user guide, and I’ll add some more additional details shortly, such as the new features, completely new textures, flights, etc.
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With the ever-evolving production of the P-51D, from early 1944 until mid-late 1945, changes and improvements were still making their way into production up until the very end. The last variants to come from the NAA production lines were the P-51D-30-NA from <st1:City w:st="on">Inglewood</st1:City>, and the P-51D-25-NT and P-51D-30-NT from <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Dallas</st1:City></st1:place>. All of these aircraft, built too late to see action in WWII, had some details that were foreign to the Mustangs that had come before. These specific details, while not found on any Mustang that had seen action in WWII, would form the basis for nearly all F-51D’s that would be operating in the late 1940’s and 1950’s.<o:p></o:p>
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One of the aircraft included is P-51D-30-NA 44-75025, the second to last P-51D to roll off the NAA Inglewood production line. This aircraft was ‘given’ to Major Don Gentile, painted in his wartime colors as “Shangri-La”, to be used on a war bonds tour in late 1945. This, near factory fresh, aircraft is one of the purest illustrations of the production details of the last P-51D’s to leave North American’s production facilities. During the production of the P-51D-30-NA, -25-NT, and -30-NT, the SCR-695 IFF radio set became standard. The installation of this radio set was first done on an operational basis only, with the P-51D’s stationed at <st1:place w:st="on">Iwo Jima</st1:place>. The SCR-695 set had to be mounted where the battery had been on all previous P-51D’s, and that required the battery to be repositioned into the engine compartment, just forward of the firewall. This required a new vent scoop for the battery to be added on the port wing elbow fairing, and a battery drain line that exited under the starboard wing shoulder fairing.<o:p></o:p>
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Late-Production and Post-WWII SCR-522 and SCR-695 IFF Set Installation.

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For comparison, the original WWII-era SCR-522 and Battery Installation (as seen on P-51D-5-NA 44-14017, included).

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The final K-14 gun sight (K-14B) and landing gear indicator lights installation and layout became standardized during P-51D-25-NA production. During this time, and on variants that followed, the gun sight mounting bracket was completely redesigned from the old N-9 mounting bracket (that had been, up to that point, only adapted to mounting the K-14 on mid-late production P-51D-20-NA’s, early P-51D-25-NA’s, and other earlier models modified in the field). With the installation of the K-14 gun sight, came the twist-handle ‘bicycle-grip’ throttle lever, which was similar to the types used with any gyro-computing gun sight. The reason for this is that the barrel of the throttle is connected directly to the gun sight range dial via a cable, which allows you to directly control the gun sight range setting by simply rotating the throttle barrel with your hand. Early versions of the P-51D, fitted with the N-9 gun sight (P-51D-5-NA to early P-51D-20-NA), had a standard-issue ball-grip type throttle lever.

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Also during very late production, gone away was the cuffed-Hamilton Standard propeller blades that had been used on all Merlin-powered Mustangs before, and added were easier to manufacture, easier to maintain, non-cuffed ‘square tip’ Hamilton Standard blades. As a result, these blades would be quite prevalent in the post-WWII years (but both types would remain in use).While provisions for rockets had been introduced into mid-late production P-51D-20-NA’s, and all that followed, it wasn’t until late P-51D production, with the P-51D-30-NA, -25-NT, and -30-NT, that rocket stubs were actually mounted to the wings from the factory, rather than just provided in addition to the aircraft, as before. Other, more subtle changes also were introduced during P-51D-30-NA, -25-NT, and -30-NT production. For instance, the fuel drain accumulator scoops on each side of the radiator/belly scoop were deleted. On P-51D-25-NT’s, and D-30-NT’s only, the external power receptacle was also repositioned from the starboard wing shoulder fairing to the starboard aft fuselage. These late production details, which can still be seen on a number of the surviving Mustangs of these production blocks, have unfortunately and mistakenly been often looked upon by modelers and general Mustang admirers as inaccuracies or omissions, only attributed to restorations – where as in reality, they are simply the authentic details of those production block Mustangs (only non-authentic, if showing up on earlier production models). Also on late-production P-51D’s, provisions for g-suits were provided standard, a guard was added around the gun safety switch, and placards were added within the cockpit that had not been seen in earlier Mustangs.<o:p></o:p>
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Following the end of WWII, with the P-51D’s still in active duty, a number of changes and updates continued to happen.<o:p></o:p>
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One of these that took place before the formation of the USAF and the change of name from the P-51D to the F-51D, took place in June 1946. At this time, Technical Order 01-60J-60 was issued for all P-51D and P-51H aircraft in active duty, ordering that an accelerometer was to be installed in each aircraft. As the T.O. states:<o:p></o:p>
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As a standard 3-3/4 inch diameter cutout was already provided on each P-51D instrument panel (in-case a radio compass were to be mounted), there was already a slot thus provided for the accelerometer, unless a P-51D was already fitted with a radio compass, where in which the installation of an accelerometer was not required. The factory-installed cover plate would need to be removed and the hole slightly reshaped.<o:p></o:p>
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In 1947, with the formation of the US Air Force, the old ‘Pursuit’ designation was dropped, and ‘Fighter’ was adopted. At this immediate time, not much changed, other than to re-apply the aircraft’s data block as an F-51D rather than a P-51D, and to change the prefix of the buzz codes from ‘PF’ to ‘FF’.<o:p></o:p>
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In September 1948, Technical Order 01-60JE-40 was issued, which outlined the installation of the ARC-3 radio set and BC-453-B receiver on the F-51D. The ARC-3 radio set allowed for a “more effective fulfillment of existing tactical and joint operational requirements” than was possible with the old SCR-522 radio set originally installed in 1944 and 1945. This radio set was ordered to be installed into every USAF and ANG F-51D operating in the <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:country-region w:st="on">U.S.</st1:country-region></st1:place> at the time (the ARC-3 had been originally introduced into the last couple hundred P-51D-30-NT’s manufactured). During the Korean War, this radio set showed up primarily in Mustangs that were assigned multiple tactical roles, such as fighter-bomber-reconnaissance. Mustangs that had been in storage or serving overseas during the late 1940’s did not have the ARC-3 set when they were called up for active duty in 1950 and beyond, and the amount of modifications those aircraft would received depended on whether they were immediately sent into action in Korea, or were completely overhauled first. When the ARC-3 radio set and BC-453-B receiver were installed, the SCR-522 radio set was removed, as was the APS-13 tail warning radar, BC-1206 beacon receiver, and mostly all associated panels, brackets, and controls that had been mounted along the right-wall of the cockpit. In their place, a large singular panel was installed for the ARC-3 radio, SCR-695 IFF set, and ARA-8 set controls, as well as a tuner control for the BC-453-B receiver, and a new panel that mounted the circuit breakers for all of the radios in-place of the old APS-13 panel.<o:p></o:p>
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In February 1949, Technical Order 01-60J-68 was issued, outlining the required relocation of the gun safety/gun sight switch. The reason for this was that in its original location, it required the pilot to look down into the lower area of the cockpit to operate the switch. The relocation placed the switch up next to the gun sight, so that forward vision outside of the aircraft was never lost. After the switch was relocated, via a small panel extended off the right-side of the gun sight mount, black paint was instructed to be applied over the original switch stencils where the switch had been located previously.<o:p></o:p>
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In the spring of 1949, two placards were ordered, through Technical Orders 01-60J-69 and 01-60J-70, to be added to the cockpits of all F-51D’s in operation, next to the engine controls. The first placard outlined a revised engine stopping procedure that differed from that outlined in the P-51D/F-51D check list. This new Stopping Procedure placard stated the following:<o:p></o:p>
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The second placard was for a new engine Operational Procedure, intended to prevent the malfunctioning of the engine during takeoff and landing using incorrect power settings. This was originally provided in 1949, and then updated twice, with the final revision coming in 1951 – although all were very similar. This placard reads as follows:<o:p></o:p>
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In 1950, with the outbreak of the Korean War, a large number of Mustangs that had been in storage got the call-up to active duty. All of the aircraft pulled from storage came from Kelly Field in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Texas</st1:place></st1:State>, where they had been in outdoor storage following the end of WWII. Even as was noted in an original 1950 magazine article on this very subject, issued by North American Aviation, all of these aircraft pulled from storage had been built too late to see combat, and having been in storage for 2-5 years, each only had an average of about 100 hours on the clock. Four separate companies were contracted to take on the massive task of overhauling all of these aircraft, making them like new again. These companies were; Grand Central Aircraft Co. and Pacific Airmotive Corp., located in <st1:State w:st="on">California</st1:State>, Temco in <st1:City w:st="on">Dallas</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">TX</st1:State>, and Lockheed Aircraft Service in Sayville, <st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City w:st="on">Long Island</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">NY</st1:State></st1:place>. From Kelley Field, they were trucked to the Temco and Lockheed plants, but they were flown out to the Grand Central and Pacific Airmotive plants, having just had the systems checked over and a new battery installed. Once at the overhaul facilities, the aircraft were run through a remanufacturing process that saw them taken apart, down to their center spars, and then put all back together again, going back onto the flight line as good as new. When this process took place, the aircraft would receive new USAF markings and stencils, and all of the Technical Orders that had been issued prior to the overhaul were addressed. In some cases, the cockpits were also painted over-all black at this time (though there is yet to be any evidence why some received it and others did not (even from the same overhaul facility)). When the cockpits were painted black (something that the US military adopted in 1950, as their standard aircraft cockpit color, having previously been interior green), other parts were also repainted, and some cockpit stencils/placards redone, to ensure that there was enough contrast against the black paint, allowing all of the important items to stand out. One of the items I’ve noticed myself, is that when the cockpits were painted black, the canopy release handles always seem to have been painted yellow, where as when the cockpits were left interior green, the same canopy release handles were left red. So, even if you can’t see what the cockpit color is on a particular F-51, if you are able to see what the color of the canopy release handles are, it should be a good way of knowing if it had a black cockpit or a green cockpit (the same goes for many RCAF Mustangs, which were overhauled in the US before being sent to Canada (those that were part of the 1950 order)). Many F-51’s never had their cockpits painted black, and continued to serve on with the old/original interior green finish – while there are at least a couple of preserved 1950’s era Mustangs with black-painted cockpits (one at the USAF Museum, and another in Canada), there are several more, preserved from that same time period, that still retain interior green finishes.<o:p></o:p>
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In May 1951, Technical Order 01-60JE-43 was issued for all F-51D’s that were in operation at the time, and still fitted with the SCR-522 radio set and BC-1206 receiver, to have the BC-1206 receiver replaced with the BC-453-B receiver. The old BC-1206 receiver was removed from the cockpit, and the mounting bracket was used to mount the new tuner control for the BC-453-B receiver. Shelves were manufactured and provided that straddled the SCR-522 transmitter, allowing the BC-453-B receiver to sit on top. <o:p></o:p>
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In January 1953, Technical Order 01-60JE-51 was issued, ordering the inspection and modification of the tail gear on all F-51D aircraft in service. Since there were some incidents reported with the tail gear having problems locking in the down position, resulting in extensive damage to airframes as a result, the USAF ordered that the tail gear be locked in the down position at all times. <o:p></o:p>
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One final Technical Order that is addressed through this product came in April 1953, with T.O. 01-60JE-50. This order required that no personnel were to ever fill the 85 gallon fuselage fuel tank on F-51D’s more than 65 gallons. When the fuselage fuel tank was filled, it created a potentially serious problem with the center of gravity, forcing it fully aft in a stock P-51D/F-51D. With some Mustangs already having additional weight in the back of the fuselage, such as cameras and direction finding equipment, it was essential on these aircraft especially, all along, that the fuselage tank not be filled above 65 gallons. When this T.O. was issued, it simply standardized that practice with all F-51D’s. Next to the fuselage fuel tank cap, it was also required to stencil the following:<o:p></o:p>
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:cool:I really do like the RNZAF paint :icon_lol: .. amazing detail , now were is my screwdriver , id need a need parts to fix my radio here :applause:<input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"><input jscode="leoInternalChangeDone()" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" id="jsProxy" type="hidden">
 
You need to put all of your P-51 posts together at one website as a reference. I've already used screenshots of my own and your posts to help people in my hobby club flush out details they were having trouble finding when building their Mustang models. In fact, some of the screen shots I took were to show the different plumbing for the various types of drop tanks used.

As usual, you're a wealth of information regarding Mustang history. Thanks.
 
In the years immediately following WWII, one of the most common modifications on the P-51D/F-51D was the addition of cooling gills on each side of the radiator, to provide additional cooling when stationary or taxiing long distances. This modification likely was initiated on Mustangs operating in particularly hot climates. Through the variants in this product that have the cooling gills modification, there are as many as three different variations as illustrated below.




Here are some other odds and ends:

I call this one being in a tight spot...




The document holders are now a bit less empty:




All of these items, including the check list, are copied from the original NAA blueprints, and all of these items were provided with every P-51D from the factory, right within the cockpit, where you'll find them.









More supercharger functions now added (with the high blower test, while performing your engine checks before takeoff, you should notice a 50+ RPM drop, as the check list advises - from the low blower setting to the high blower setting the switch is spring-loaded, so it will only stay there as long as you hold it in-place.):




A fully recreated NACA-modified ETF-51D cockpit (the tilted directional gyro working to provide your angle of dive for the dive tests). The valve on the lower right-side of the instrument panel is the g-suit pressure valve, relocated from its stock position.

 
Just a few more. On all of the bare metal paint schemes, one of the new details you'll be able to see up-close, having re-drawn each rivet, is a variety of authentic rivet finishes. As I rediscovered while working on this project, when Mustangs were originally manufactured they used a few different finishes on the rivets - clear anodized (silver) and iridite (yellow), primarily, and in some cases even blue anodized.















 
Wow! The details you have put into it is just astonishing! Nice to see that you have included a SAAF 2Sqn Korean war scheme.
Will we see any operational south american birds? Or are you going them together with the cavalier mustangs?
 
On a side note, my Mom saw that I had 'liked' this page on Facebook, so she PM'd me some info about my Grandfather. Evidently, he worked at the Dallas plant during the 1940's, building Mustangs.

I never knew that. I always knew him as a Rancher with a bulldozer, who, in between razing cattle and growing watermelons, built stock tanks all over the North texas area.

Sorry for the deviation, just wanted to share ;)
 
You need to put all of your P-51 posts together at one website as a reference. I've already used screenshots of my own and your posts to help people in my hobby club flush out details they were having trouble finding when building their Mustang models. In fact, some of the screen shots I took were to show the different plumbing for the various types of drop tanks used.

As usual, you're a wealth of information regarding Mustang history. Thanks.
Sundog, there has been some ideas thrown around about how we might archive and present the information we've gathered through all of these projects, into one illustrated developmental history of the P-51D/K. It's always awesome to hear that our work has been used as reference material for scale modelers, as I always hope that they can be used as an accurate guide for such things - the great thing about flight sim, is that as long as the model is done accurately and true to form, you can have a reference material at any time, where in which you can stick your head into any area that you wish. What's really great to me with this project in particular, is that items like those ARC-3 and BC-453 post-WWII radio modifications, outside of the original technical orders, you are extremely hard-pressed to find any detail on them at all - for me, many aspects were like solving a puzzle (no drawings seem to exist of the shelf that the BC-453 mounts to, over the top of the SCR-522 radio, and there are no photos it seems that shows what this looked like at the base - in the T.O., however, it mentions the hardware required to mount that shelf to the radio rack frame, and the hardware called for would be used if the shelf had four mounting feet, so I modeled it that way and it might as well be correct). Now that they are recreated, in clarity, they could hopefully be used by someone trying to make an accurate scale model of a Korean War era or ANG Mustang.

This project likely marks our last big involvement with the P-51D story for a while, so it was important to try and make it as extensive as we could. There are however many nation's air forces that I would have liked to have included as well, but could not simply because a limit had to be reached at some point (he says, after nearly 1 gb of aircraft). However, when I did choose a model to depict, I generally made sure that it was of a configuration that would offer a base for the largest number of possible repaints that would correctly fit a particular model. For instance, with the models contained, you'll be able to find one to match about 75% or more of the ANG Mustangs from the late 40's and 50's, and the same goes for active duty Korean War examples. Going through the different variants, the RNZAF model, for instance, is the only one I'm aware of that has ever been modeled to specifically match an RNZAF P-51D-30-NT in every detail, and others from this project are in that same category. It was fun for me to learn things I had never known before, having mainly just stuck to WWII and modern restored examples prior to this project, and corrected my own misconceptions. For the ex-Guatemalan AF Mustang, there will be a repaint (with instructions for combing a few models together), so that you can also have an authentic active-duty Guatemalan AF example, before the civilian modifications.
 
On a side note, my Mom saw that I had 'liked' this page on Facebook, so she PM'd me some info about my Grandfather. Evidently, he worked at the Dallas plant during the 1940's, building Mustangs.

I never knew that. I always knew him as a Rancher with a bulldozer, who, in between razing cattle and growing watermelons, built stock tanks all over the North texas area.

Sorry for the deviation, just wanted to share ;)

That's fantastic, Bone! I'm glad to hear that you now know this added detail about your grandfather's past! If she hasn't already sent you one, you might ask her if she has a photo of him standing in front of a P-51. At some point in 1945, it seems all of the Dallas factory employees got their pictures taken, individually, standing in front of their favorite NAA Dallas-produced aircraft. I've found a number of these online (ebay), in which they are all taken in front of the same P-51K.
 
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Haha, I often found myself on 'ham radio' sites and others just devoted to old military radios, hunting down photos of these different radios and the even rarer shock mounts. : )
 
John, your attention to detail and knowledge of the different versions of the bird is mind boggling. I think I need to re-read your posts a few times to get a hold of everything you wrote.

Cheers,
Mark
 
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