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_486_Col_Wolf

_486_Col_Wolf

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I might get a little long winded in this question since the problem is a little hard to explain so please bear with me. A few days ago all my planes started acting strange. Their know mixture, trim and throttle settings for level flight have all changed. Ex.) my Mustang flew level at 5000ft at 40% throttle, mixture set at max RPM's for 5000ft and 3 clicks down on the elevator trim. Now, the mixture setting for 5000ft has to be set above (richer) where I usually set it and the trim (3 clicks down elevator) noses the plane down. This change has happened with all my planes now. Thier known mixture, throttle and trim settings for level flight at specific altitudes have all changed in the same way. Mixture settings in particular are set richer than normal for given altitudes


Also, in my European install I used to have those 2d clouds that were paper thin as you flew past them. Now they have reverted back to the 3d clouds of the stock install. I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the flight dynamics problem but it appeared at the same time.

As far as I know I have not changed any joystick, scenery, AIR, CFG or any other settings. It just popped up one day after openeing CFS2. Anyone ever see this before or know what has happened?
 
Nope, realism settings are the same as always. Besides that would not affect the known mixture settings at certain altitudes. It's as if either all the AIR files have changed at once or something else in the virtual world has changed universally. That is why I suspect the change in the clouds might have something to do with it. I also discovered that if you lean out the mixture for Max RPM's as you climb, once you go past 5000ft the RPM's drop off and will only go back up by enriching the mixture slightly for about 2000ft altitude (6-8000ft) re-leaning as you climb, then when you reach 8000ft the mixture is back to where it was at 5000ft then you can lean it further as you climb. But once you reach say 10,000ft it has to be set slightly more rich than were it was set when everything was working correctly. Also, I have not D/L and loaded anything new, scenery, planes ect...

I guess I could just relearn the new settings but I have a written page of every plane with it's trim and throttle settings (with max RPM mixture setting) for level flight and every one has changed. Especially the settings for mixture at certain altitudes. So the thought of having to relearn and re-document these settings is not what I really want to do. There has got to be an explanation for this.
 
My guess is the joystick/ throttle controller range has changed? So 4 clicks now is not the same as 4 clicks used to be, 40% power is different etc.
 
That's another thing I considered but if you look at the HUD display it still says 40% throttle. So wherever the throttle is I can see it's real percentage there. Also, my trim controls in my simpit are rocker switches connected to the PC via a modded USB number pad not through the joystick so "clicks" are the same as a keyboard. we'll get this figured out....Keep the suggestions coming guys!!! thanks
 
I think UT's hit the nail on the head with this one.

I would recalibrate your joystick/controller in Windows, and see what happens. Or it could be failing, my AV8R-01 stick was recently playing-up but has seems to have settled down again, a warning maybe?!
Or, have you got installed or using FSUIPC for weather etc, if so, have you updated/changed it recently?

Cheers

Shessi
 
I had the same!

I had the same problem, specially with spitfires, something in air file config, the throtles fell down at 75% , I found the GUILTY : SUITPC
Removing it, the problem is gone.
 
The joystick is a Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar. I have recalibrated it 3 times in it's own program (Foxy) in Windows. Since I use the Range pot for a mixture axis I use the bottom of the mixture knob on screen aligned with the letters in MIXTURE for reference. That way I can look at the real mixture level as opposed to the one on the stick. So even if 45% lean on the stick was mis-calibrated to 50% I'm still going to 45% according to the throttle quadrant on screen. IE, the bottom of the onscreen mixture knob just touching the top of the "R" in "Mixture" was the correct setting for the Mustang at 10,000ft. However now the Max RPM for 10,000ft is with the bottom of the onscreen knob just at the bottom of the "U". Somehow it's acting as if the plane is actually lower in altitude making you set the mixture knob richer than it should be. It's not just the Mustang though, it happens with the mixture settings in all my planes.

As for the weather, I'm using the stock weather in CFS2 with the exception of LW's clouds which as I said have reverted back to the stock CFS2 clouds.

I also tried reloading the DEM Mesh Lod8, turning off all add on scenery in the Scenery Library but none of these has cured this strange effect. :isadizzy: I'm going nuts trying everything to fix this LOL. I hope I don't have to reload the entire program and then add all my ETO scenery back.
 
_486_Col_Wolf said:
The joystick is a Thrustmaster HOTAS Cougar. I have recalibrated it 3 times in it's own program (Foxy) in Windows. Since I use the Range pot for a mixture axis I use the bottom of the mixture knob on screen aligned with the letters in MIXTURE for reference. That way I can look at the real mixture level as opposed to the one on the stick. So even if 45% lean on the stick was mis-calibrated to 50% I'm still going to 45% according to the throttle quadrant on screen. IE, the bottom of the onscreen mixture knob just touching the top of the "R" in "Mixture" was the correct setting for the Mustang at 10,000ft. However now the Max RPM for 10,000ft is with the bottom of the onscreen knob just at the bottom of the "U". Somehow it's acting as if the plane is actually lower in altitude making you set the mixture knob richer than it should be. It's not just the Mustang though, it happens with the mixture settings in all my planes.

As for the weather, I'm using the stock weather in CFS2 with the exception of LW's clouds which as I said have reverted back to the stock CFS2 clouds.

I also tried reloading the DEM Mesh Lod8, turning off all add on scenery in the Scenery Library but none of these has cured this strange effect. :isadizzy: I'm going nuts trying everything to fix this LOL. I hope I don't have to reload the entire program and then add all my ETO scenery back.
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Hi there! :wavey:

I keep an exact, full sized, uncompressed copy of my CFS2 install on a storage USB HDD, actually two, on two different HDDs, which I update together everytime. Anytime I need to do HDD maintenance including periodical full formats and OS re-installs, one just occurred last month, I reinstall the stock CFS2 from its original CDs, then empty out the root folder and copy in one of those two backups.

Weird enough, even if nothing has changed from the previous install, so not even a comma was moved in the joystick settings entries laying at the bottom of the CFS2.cfg file, I always have to reassign joystick and rudder pedals functions/buttons and I always have to recalibrate them afterwards. Nevertheless, a known working copy of CFS2.cfg comes in very handy when any kind of CFS2 setting changes as if it had its own mind.

Which does happen every now and then, I witnessed it several times since I first installed CFS2, back in 2001.

Now my suggestion is: have you tried overwriting your CFS2.cfg with a backup copy, that you are positively sure was making your CFS2 hum when you backed it up?

My other question is: are you sure no viruses are lurking around in your pc? A friend of mine had, a while ago, his CFS2 going nuts, without any other problem occurring. When we ran out of options as to what was going on, since any other application was working fine, I tried a deep virus scan and, sure enough, CFS2.exe resulted infected. Don't ask me how that was possible, that only that file was bad.....:icon_eek: Once the infected executable file was vapourised and replaced with a clean one, everything went back to normal.

Cheers!
KH :ernae:
 
Hi 486,
What I meant, is not the joystick's own calibration prog, but the specific Windows one (if it is available and not greyed out) in 'Settings' - 'Game Controllers'.

The other option is to totally uninstall your stick, and software, re-start your pc and re-install the stick from scratch.

By what you say, and the way you use your stick, it sounds more like it's possible going wrong and this is the early days of it!

Cheers

Shessi
 
Kelti,

I haven't reinstalled my joystick and software. Maybe that should be my next step. I did do the recalibration but maybe that wasn't enough. I did disable the joystick and fly by mouse, moving the mixture with the mouse pointer and had the same effect but at this point I'm willing to try anything. Still don't understand how the cloud textures reverted back to the old ones but maybe this is all in the CFG file.
 
OK,

re-installed joystick and software, ran various virus scans, even re-installed DEM mesh, DEM mesh LOD8, and all other scenery packs dealing with terrain for ETO....still no luck. Mixture levels are still off. I'm still confused about this cloud texture change. I know this has something to do with it. Used to have those 2d clouds that were paper thin as you flew by them, now they are 3d again. Also ran CFS2 from my backup location on an external HD and it's doing it, my WWI instalation which I haven't flown in months now does it too. At my wits end with this LOL. Any other suggestions???
 
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486_Col_Wolf and others,

I'm going to take a complete shot in the dark here, but does anyone reading this wonder if his anti-virus might be "eating" or otherwise modifying one of the .dll modules? I remember I had an issue once with my AV software, and it identified one of the .dll files as "malware" and deleted it. All fourteen of my installs (seven on my laptop, and seven on my desktop) bit the dust at once and I had a major freak-out until I trouble-shooted it.

I also am wondering whether the settings in the CFS2.cfg might have gone wonky somehow.
 
I agree...

Rami said:
486_Col_Wolf and others,

I'm going to take a complete shot in the dark here, but does anyone reading this wonder if his anti-virus might be "eating" or otherwise modifying one of the .dll modules? I remember I had an issue once with my AV software, and it identified one of the .dll files as "malware" and deleted it. All fourteen of my installs (seven on my laptop, and seven on my desktop) bit the dust at once and I had a major freak-out until I trouble-shooted it.
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That's why whatever anti-virus application must be set to place suspicious files in a vault folder before deleting them. I routinely have my AVG setting its sights on some system files that cannot obviously be infected. I am saying this because I resolved my virus paranoia a couple of years ago by assembling a simple pc entirely dedicated to web connection, while I took my older, main pc completely offline.
On top of having my web-dedicated pc equipped with AVG, my main pc has two HDDs installed, both OS bootable, with only the second one having a backup AVG antivirus copy. I only use the second HDD for backups and antivirus checking any of my USB mem pens when I download at the office, where I have wideband connection and another AVG check!
My main HDD with all of my CFS2 installs has no antivirus running, with all the system services dedicated to web connecting turned off. I freed a lot of extra RAM and gained considerable fps with this solution.

In this way, when I boot from my second backup HDD and the backup AVG tells me I have a suspicious file that's part of Windows on my main HDD, I laugh and restore it immediately from the virus vault. This bugger even found viruses in setup files of older applications and/or drivers, saved on backup CDs, I have been using for years with no problems. They probably looked to AVG as if they were viruses, but they are definitely not.

Rami said:
I also am wondering whether the settings in the CFS2.cfg might have gone wonky somehow.
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This is the reson why I suggested above to try rewriting over the current CFS2.cfg with an older copy, coming from a backup that was working fine at the time. I too suspect this file might be somehow responsible.

Yet, understanding this new CFS2 quirk is quite challenging!

Cheers!
KH :ernae:
 
OK, now we have something to really run with. I also use the free AVG virus software. I have had it for about 10 months but this problem only started recently. Maybe a new virus definition D/L'd from the server made the same mistake. But here's the dilemma, if all my installs including the backup on a separate HD are affected how do I get those files back without re-installing CFS2 and going through the whole ETO install again? When I lost it once before I re-installed CFS2 and just copied and pasted the folders already containing the ETO install from my backup copy on the external HD. But since this back up is also corrupted... or can I assume that it's only the CFG or DLL's and still just copy the scenery and all other modified/add on folders as before once I re-install CFS2?
 
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486_Col_Wolf,

If you have the original install disks, you can put the disk in your drive, close the installation window, right click on the disk itself, (in the first "My Computer" screen) then click "explore" and literally rip the files from the disk, without running the installer and just replace your entire "modules" folder that way.

Or, if you really get stuck, contact me via e-mail, and we can explore alternate routes to correcting this.
 
OK, I'll start with replacing the Modules folder directly from the disk. I'll let you know what happens. It might be a a few days though, family and business takes up a lot of time LOL
 
OK, found and copied into Modules folder all .DLL files from disk 1. Still no luck. Can not find FSUIPC Config Settings or FSSCRIPT TBL file on either disk to copy over.
 
_486_Col_Wolf said:
OK, now we have something to really run with. I also use the free AVG virus software. I have had it for about 10 months but this problem only started recently. Maybe a new virus definition D/L'd from the server made the same mistake. But here's the dilemma, if all my installs including the backup on a separate HD are affected how do I get those files back without re-installing CFS2 and going through the whole ETO install again? When I lost it once before I re-installed CFS2 and just copied and pasted the folders already containing the ETO install from my backup copy on the external HD. But since this back up is also corrupted... or can I assume that it's only the CFG or DLL's and still just copy the scenery and all other modified/add on folders as before once I re-install CFS2?
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Are you sure your backups are corrupted as well?

Set your AVG Free 2013, menu Options-Advanced-Scans-Scan Removable Device, ON. In this way AVG will perform a quick scan of your backup USB HDD before hand and tell you if it's indeed infected or not.

Cheers!
KH :ernae:
 
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