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"Ina" and "Kitten" Uploaded
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Nice work Bub
Typhoon Willy
Charter Member
Cool! Thanks Bub!
gaucho_59
Charter Member
gaucho_59
Charter Member
bub
Charter Member
Hi All,
There's going to be a slight delay in getting these uploaded. I found some errors on my originals and am in the process of "fixing" them.
Gaucho,
The shine looks great but, these aircraft were delivered with the wings painted in aluminum laquer and the rivets and seams sealed to create better airflow over them. The fuselage, vertical fin and horizontal stabilizers were in natural metal finish along with the ailerons and flaps. Also, these planes sat outside and were subject to the elements. Paint fading in the sun along with oxidation of the aluminum tended to "dull" them. So, factory finish would be "shiny", in the field would tend to be "dull". I'm not being critical, just making an observation. Keep up the good work.
Thanks,
Bub
There's going to be a slight delay in getting these uploaded. I found some errors on my originals and am in the process of "fixing" them.
Gaucho,
The shine looks great but, these aircraft were delivered with the wings painted in aluminum laquer and the rivets and seams sealed to create better airflow over them. The fuselage, vertical fin and horizontal stabilizers were in natural metal finish along with the ailerons and flaps. Also, these planes sat outside and were subject to the elements. Paint fading in the sun along with oxidation of the aluminum tended to "dull" them. So, factory finish would be "shiny", in the field would tend to be "dull". I'm not being critical, just making an observation. Keep up the good work.
Thanks,
Bub
486th Fighter Squadron, 352nd Fighter Group, 1944. Lt. Edwin Heller who scored 5.5 air victories 16.5 ground
kelticheart
Charter Member
Hi Gaucho,
I don't know if you are using a Mustang wearing 99th F.S., 335 F.G., "A-38" code just to work on the pilot figure, or not. In any case, allow me to point out that the "blue diamonds on white" nose pattern shown in your screenshots is not correct for 99th F.S. aircrafts.
Please, refer to Jaxon's and mine joint effort, we uploaded back in 2008, you can get here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=57&id=14130
In this repaint pack quite a bit of research was carried out and Jaxon found out that 99th F.S. Mustangs wore a checkered band around their noses. Reproducing it took quite a while, due to the particular texture mapping of FDGv2's razorback P-51and the shape of the nose decoration, where the blue checkers are painted in slanted pattern, i.e. lozenges, instead of just regular insignia blue and white squares.
In the pack there's a link to a modeller decal website with a decal sheet picture specifically dedicated to A-00 "Topper III" and 99th F.S., 335th F.G. aircrafts.
Besides, in this pack I decided to use as a base the unmarked natural metal skin originally included in FDGv2's ex-donationware P-51B/C upload, which has a nicely balanced, weathered aluminum finish.
Should you wish to copy it from our 2008 pack, I have no problems and I guess neither Jaxon has, providing credits to our work are given in the usual manner.
Great job on the African American pilot figure!
Bub:
the "zoot suit" figure painted on Capt. Archer's #72 Mustang fuselage comes from a Tom & Jerry cartoon of the period. In it Tom wears a makeshift suit, conjured up with the help of mouse Jerry, to attract a female cat Tom was trying to take out on a dance date. It's a rare, beautiful 1940's T&J cartoon that I only saw on tv once, but I had the luck to record it on VHS tape.
I have the historical profile of Capt. Archer's mount on a book and I scanned the "zoot suit" figure, which shows Tom's whiskered cat face under the hat. Do you want me to e-mail you the scanned file?
Cheers!
KH :ernae:
bub
Charter Member
Zoot Suit
Kelti,
Certainly, send along the info. I need all the help I can get. I got the "zoot suit" figure from the P-51C "Ina the Macon Belle" restored and flown by Kermit Weeks. I figured that he got it right. There are a zillion photos of the aircraft on the web. Its not the first time I've been wrong on markings, and I'm sure not the last.
Thanks for "keeping an eye" on me,
Bub
Kelti,
Certainly, send along the info. I need all the help I can get. I got the "zoot suit" figure from the P-51C "Ina the Macon Belle" restored and flown by Kermit Weeks. I figured that he got it right. There are a zillion photos of the aircraft on the web. Its not the first time I've been wrong on markings, and I'm sure not the last.
Thanks for "keeping an eye" on me,
Bub
kelticheart
Charter Member
I'll take that back!
Apparently there were no paint standards in 335th F.G.
I did a little research over at Wings Palette and the attached is what I found. So I was wrong, the only suggestion I have for Lee Archer's #A38 "Apache II" is to clear the first white diamond line (the one towards the tail) as shown in the below detail profile.
Cheers!
KH :ernae:
Apparently there were no paint standards in 335th F.G.
I did a little research over at Wings Palette and the attached is what I found. So I was wrong, the only suggestion I have for Lee Archer's #A38 "Apache II" is to clear the first white diamond line (the one towards the tail) as shown in the below detail profile.
Cheers!
KH :ernae:
Very nice work, INDEED!
Just one small correction guys, Apache II was flown by 1Lieutenant Henry Perry, not Lee Archer.
1Lieutenant Lee Archer flew Ina the Macon Belle. His nose cowling was red and yellow stripes as you have them.
Kitten, down below was flown by 2Lieutenant Leon "Woodie" Spears.
Just one small correction guys, Apache II was flown by 1Lieutenant Henry Perry, not Lee Archer.
1Lieutenant Lee Archer flew Ina the Macon Belle. His nose cowling was red and yellow stripes as you have them.
Kitten, down below was flown by 2Lieutenant Leon "Woodie" Spears.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Thanks a lot... but
Thanks a lot for that diamond band correction... but I must say... the lettering on the repaint you made available is equally incorrect... for
it is way out of scale with the fuselage... the letters and numbers are disproportionately thick... check some actual photos... lettering is much more slender
By the way... the plural of aircraft is AIRCRAFT... not "aircrafts"...
Hi Gaucho,
I don't know if you are using a Mustang wearing 99th F.S., 335 F.G., "A-38" code just to work on the pilot figure, or not. In any case, allow me to point out that the "blue diamonds on white" nose pattern shown in your screenshots is not correct for 99th F.S. aircrafts.
Please, refer to Jaxon's and mine joint effort, we uploaded back in 2008, you can get here:
http://www.sim-outhouse.com/sohforums/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=57&id=14130
In this repaint pack quite a bit of research was carried out and Jaxon found out that 99th F.S. Mustangs wore a checkered band around their noses. Reproducing it took quite a while, due to the particular texture mapping of FDGv2's razorback P-51and the shape of the nose decoration, where the blue checkers are painted in slanted pattern, i.e. lozenges, instead of just regular insignia blue and white squares.
In the pack there's a link to a modeller decal website with a decal sheet picture specifically dedicated to A-00 "Topper III" and 99th F.S., 335th F.G. aircrafts.
Besides, in this pack I decided to use as a base the unmarked natural metal skin originally included in FDGv2's ex-donationware P-51B/C upload, which has a nicely balanced, weathered aluminum finish.
Should you wish to copy it from our 2008 pack, I have no problems and I guess neither Jaxon has, providing credits to our work are given in the usual manner.
Great job on the African American pilot figure!
Bub:
the "zoot suit" figure painted on Capt. Archer's #72 Mustang fuselage comes from a Tom & Jerry cartoon of the period. In it Tom wears a makeshift suit, conjured up with the help of mouse Jerry, to attract a female cat Tom was trying to take out on a dance date. It's a rare, beautiful 1940's T&J cartoon that I only saw on tv once, but I had the luck to record it on VHS tape.
I have the historical profile of Capt. Archer's mount on a book and I scanned the "zoot suit" figure, which shows Tom's whiskered cat face under the hat. Do you want me to e-mail you the scanned file?
Cheers!
KH :ernae:
Thanks a lot for that diamond band correction... but I must say... the lettering on the repaint you made available is equally incorrect... for
it is way out of scale with the fuselage... the letters and numbers are disproportionately thick... check some actual photos... lettering is much more slender
By the way... the plural of aircraft is AIRCRAFT... not "aircrafts"...
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Tried but...
Correcting the aft white rhombi was easy enough... but the way this thing is mapped...
everything stopped until I can figure out the mapping... To wit:
I think it looks better the way it was... inaccuracy and all...
By the way... probably researching for accuracy should only be trusted to actual photographs....
obviously... artist conceptions as the one posted by Stefano... might be as useful as tits on a bull...
i.e: my repaint is a case in point... if someone saw me published somewhere... it cannot be taken
for granted the depiction is accurate.... Research on Wings Palette... probably not good unless it
is a photograph of the actual craft in question...
If anyone knows where the aft area of the nose cone or forwardmost of the fuse is mapped... save
me "searching for it..."
Correcting the aft white rhombi was easy enough... but the way this thing is mapped...
everything stopped until I can figure out the mapping... To wit:
I think it looks better the way it was... inaccuracy and all...
By the way... probably researching for accuracy should only be trusted to actual photographs....
obviously... artist conceptions as the one posted by Stefano... might be as useful as tits on a bull...
i.e: my repaint is a case in point... if someone saw me published somewhere... it cannot be taken
for granted the depiction is accurate.... Research on Wings Palette... probably not good unless it
is a photograph of the actual craft in question...
If anyone knows where the aft area of the nose cone or forwardmost of the fuse is mapped... save
me "searching for it..."
bub
Charter Member
Hi All,
I'm putting this on hold until all the "corrections" can be made. The research I've done will be in the final versions. Besides actual photos, which are rare, I feel the best info is to be found on the modelling sites. These guys do a lot of research to make their models correct and I will trust their judgement. Also, the producers of decals do their homework and I will use their expertise. When these two skins are done to my satisfaction, I'll upload them. After that if anyone wants to change them to suit themselves, be my guest. I'll stand by the final versions as being correct.
"Kitten" was flown by Lt. Charles E. McGee and was named after his wife, his pet name for her.
Bub
I'm putting this on hold until all the "corrections" can be made. The research I've done will be in the final versions. Besides actual photos, which are rare, I feel the best info is to be found on the modelling sites. These guys do a lot of research to make their models correct and I will trust their judgement. Also, the producers of decals do their homework and I will use their expertise. When these two skins are done to my satisfaction, I'll upload them. After that if anyone wants to change them to suit themselves, be my guest. I'll stand by the final versions as being correct.
"Kitten" was flown by Lt. Charles E. McGee and was named after his wife, his pet name for her.
Bub
kelticheart
Charter Member
Hi Bub,
that's exactly what Jaxon did when we set out to do a better "Topper III" repaint than what was available!
I agree, websites dedicated to specialized decal sheet for scale models are the way to go. By the same token, I would not trust aircaft model kit producers, known to have made several errors with plane markings and colours.
As to the mapping of FDGv2 razorback Mustang nose textures, Jaxon and I met the same problems you and Gaucho are facing now. It will not allow specific spinner/nose separation as seen on many Mustangs, sporting squadron colours and such around the spinner and the carb intake area.
GAUCHO: your million $ answer is: mapped to the spinner! Leave your spinner clear metal, or paint it in another colour, and you'll see what happens.
Since it's a *.mdl problem, I don't see how it can be fixed without touching up this aircraft model, thus infringing on FDGv2's copyrights. The attached, from the Tuskegee P-51B/C Hasegawa kit, shows the white-insignia blue lozengue pattern on "TopperIII" with Lee Archer's mount in the background.
Bub, beautiful job on "Kitten"!
Cheers!
KH :ernae:
P.S.: I am re-scanning Lee Archer's "hep-cat" fuselage insignia, trying to squeeze as much resolution with the smallest pixels as possible, since it's a print on an Aerospace book dedicated to the P-51 history. I'll send it out to you shortly, is your e-mail address still the same?
bub
Charter Member
Kelti,
Thank you, I'm giving it my best shot. I'm not that concerned with the mapping around the spinner. With that wonderful prop texture, can't seem to remember who did that...........you don't notice what's behind it. I do find the modelling sites helpful. Most of them use "aftermarket" decals, so things are pretty close. Its always good to double check just to be sure. And I do realize that a lot of the markings were painted in the field, so they're not perfect. We just do the best we can with what's out there.
Yes, the email is still the same. I'm looking forward to seeing the "hep cat".
Thanks again,
Bub
ps. Maybe I'll get Kitten uploaded while I wait for "Tom".
Thank you, I'm giving it my best shot. I'm not that concerned with the mapping around the spinner. With that wonderful prop texture, can't seem to remember who did that...........you don't notice what's behind it. I do find the modelling sites helpful. Most of them use "aftermarket" decals, so things are pretty close. Its always good to double check just to be sure. And I do realize that a lot of the markings were painted in the field, so they're not perfect. We just do the best we can with what's out there.
Yes, the email is still the same. I'm looking forward to seeing the "hep cat".
Thanks again,
Bub
ps. Maybe I'll get Kitten uploaded while I wait for "Tom".