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Great picture--do we have a Breguet 19 A2 for CFS2?
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gaucho_59
Charter Member
Waiting for you on Skype...
Dear Nick, re: your email of this morning....
I think I used the word "clone" wrongly... what I meant was simply "copy and paste"
in other words... you create the shaded portion between two ribs... vary the transparency to suit you, and then paste it successively
to cover the wing area needed... Also, though I have Photoshop (latest, courtesy of my son)... I very seldom use it... so
your email explanation of your difficutlties sizing the clone tool... I can't really help...
copy and paste... is far easier... again, you can make the transparency with the first shade... or put them all together ... and then vary
the transparency... In PSP.. at least... there is one thing to be wary off...
To wit: if you merge a tenuous light layer to one below that is more luminous... it changes to match the lower one... so I usually place a more transparent layer
under the less translucent layer... and merge the latter onto the lighter one...
And the composite layer has both characteristics preserved... otherwise the lighter become heavier again (i.e. darker) and the effect of the two layer is lost...
sometimes I forget... and have to backtrack... I have set PSP to 500 undo operations... so it isn't a big deal to go back...
Dear Nick, re: your email of this morning....
I think I used the word "clone" wrongly... what I meant was simply "copy and paste"
in other words... you create the shaded portion between two ribs... vary the transparency to suit you, and then paste it successively
to cover the wing area needed... Also, though I have Photoshop (latest, courtesy of my son)... I very seldom use it... so
your email explanation of your difficutlties sizing the clone tool... I can't really help...
copy and paste... is far easier... again, you can make the transparency with the first shade... or put them all together ... and then vary
the transparency... In PSP.. at least... there is one thing to be wary off...
To wit: if you merge a tenuous light layer to one below that is more luminous... it changes to match the lower one... so I usually place a more transparent layer
under the less translucent layer... and merge the latter onto the lighter one...
And the composite layer has both characteristics preserved... otherwise the lighter become heavier again (i.e. darker) and the effect of the two layer is lost...
sometimes I forget... and have to backtrack... I have set PSP to 500 undo operations... so it isn't a big deal to go back...
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Not very much...
What PSP do you have ... if it is less than PSP x3 it probably does not do a lot...
The terms are practically synonymous.... trans through or across
plus either appear trans-apparent or luscent bright or light transluscent...
the former speaks to more of physical appearance (like almost invisible) and the latter
to how relative luminosity... not really important... for our purposes are more or less
the same...
A lot of folks in our community use PSP 7 or 10.... Jasc... and quite primitive by present
standards... After PSP10... when Corel bought Jasc out... PSP became more in line
with the then prime mover Photoshop.... concentrating more and more in Photographic
Design applications...
PSP X4 is at the level of Photoshop and IMHO... far more user friendly...
a lot of procedures in Photoshop that require a bunch of technical steps... are very easy
to follow in PSP in a more simplified environment... of course it depends on your background..
my son Alessandro, who used Photoshop for 4 year in college at the Art Institute of Fr. Lauderdale
thinks it is extremely easy to use...
for myself.. who now barely scratch the surface when it comes to using CAD, etc. I find Photoshop
hard to master...
I sent a request to have you as a contact in Skype... so we can discuss things like I do wth Gius...
face-to-face so to speak... with quick questions and answers... here it is somewhat cumbersome
because we make fatal omissions.... LIKE MY USE OF THE WORD CLONE instead of COPY AND PASTE...
that made my explanation misleading to you...
Cheers,
G.
What PSP do you have ... if it is less than PSP x3 it probably does not do a lot...
The terms are practically synonymous.... trans through or across
plus either appear trans-apparent or luscent bright or light transluscent...
the former speaks to more of physical appearance (like almost invisible) and the latter
to how relative luminosity... not really important... for our purposes are more or less
the same...
A lot of folks in our community use PSP 7 or 10.... Jasc... and quite primitive by present
standards... After PSP10... when Corel bought Jasc out... PSP became more in line
with the then prime mover Photoshop.... concentrating more and more in Photographic
Design applications...
PSP X4 is at the level of Photoshop and IMHO... far more user friendly...
a lot of procedures in Photoshop that require a bunch of technical steps... are very easy
to follow in PSP in a more simplified environment... of course it depends on your background..
my son Alessandro, who used Photoshop for 4 year in college at the Art Institute of Fr. Lauderdale
thinks it is extremely easy to use...
for myself.. who now barely scratch the surface when it comes to using CAD, etc. I find Photoshop
hard to master...
I sent a request to have you as a contact in Skype... so we can discuss things like I do wth Gius...
face-to-face so to speak... with quick questions and answers... here it is somewhat cumbersome
because we make fatal omissions.... LIKE MY USE OF THE WORD CLONE instead of COPY AND PASTE...
that made my explanation misleading to you...
Cheers,
G.
Gaucho,
Over the years I have used and installed the following in various PC setups:
Corel Painter v8.0
Photoshop 7
Adobe\Photoshop CS
Photoshop CS 8.0 and Image Ready
Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20 (This one is the one used by Evan G. Butterbrodt, who has done hundreds if not over a thousand of CFS2 skins, aka Rev Evans, a friend of mine. If you type his name in the flightsim.search window, you will see his repaints..He lives in Arkansas half of the year, Texas and Florida at other times.)
Paint Shop Pro 7
Photoshop CS2 v.9.0 and Image Ready CS2 and Adobe Bridge
Photoshop CS3 Extended
At the moment I ma running:Adobe Photoshop CS5
DXTBmp (always there, in all previous PC setups and now also)
Rev's program Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20 is a weird one to use, and he had said book printers use it...
By the way I managed to do the ribs--it is very easy.
I am used to Photoshop and find it easy. I had not liked the floating winodws of PSP, as I now recall.
More soon...I shall check you out on Skype.
Nick
Over the years I have used and installed the following in various PC setups:
Corel Painter v8.0
Photoshop 7
Adobe\Photoshop CS
Photoshop CS 8.0 and Image Ready
Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20 (This one is the one used by Evan G. Butterbrodt, who has done hundreds if not over a thousand of CFS2 skins, aka Rev Evans, a friend of mine. If you type his name in the flightsim.search window, you will see his repaints..He lives in Arkansas half of the year, Texas and Florida at other times.)
Paint Shop Pro 7
Photoshop CS2 v.9.0 and Image Ready CS2 and Adobe Bridge
Photoshop CS3 Extended
At the moment I ma running:Adobe Photoshop CS5
DXTBmp (always there, in all previous PC setups and now also)
Rev's program Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20 is a weird one to use, and he had said book printers use it...
By the way I managed to do the ribs--it is very easy.
I am used to Photoshop and find it easy. I had not liked the floating winodws of PSP, as I now recall.
More soon...I shall check you out on Skype.
Nick
Gaucho.
I have used all these over the years:
Corel Painter v8.0
Photoshop 7
Adobe\Photoshop CS
Photoshop CS 8.0 and Image Ready
Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20
Paint Shop Pro 7
Photoshop CS2 v.9.0 and Image Ready CS2 and Adobe Bridge
Photoshop CS3 Extended
Adobe Photoshop CS5 (current)
DXTBmp (always there)
The last 2 is what I have now.
The program Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20 is what Butterbrodt has used to make close to one thousan CFS2 skins. It is used by printers he said, I tried it, it is weird. If you use his name at flightsim.com's search window you will see all his skins....Just type "Butterbrodt".
I do not like PSP as I cannot get used to its floating windows in the workspace. I find Photoshop much easier.
I managed the ribs tutorial. It was very easy....
I will check you out on Skype...
Nick
I have used all these over the years:
Corel Painter v8.0
Photoshop 7
Adobe\Photoshop CS
Photoshop CS 8.0 and Image Ready
Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20
Paint Shop Pro 7
Photoshop CS2 v.9.0 and Image Ready CS2 and Adobe Bridge
Photoshop CS3 Extended
Adobe Photoshop CS5 (current)
DXTBmp (always there)
The last 2 is what I have now.
The program Broderbund The Print Shop Deluxe V20 is what Butterbrodt has used to make close to one thousan CFS2 skins. It is used by printers he said, I tried it, it is weird. If you use his name at flightsim.com's search window you will see all his skins....Just type "Butterbrodt".
I do not like PSP as I cannot get used to its floating windows in the workspace. I find Photoshop much easier.
I managed the ribs tutorial. It was very easy....
I will check you out on Skype...
Nick
The B24 Guy
SOH-CM-2022
Hi Guys,
I took a look, but it is an FSDS1 model and I am unable to do much with them.
Regards,
B24Guy
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Thanks Father Time....
So you don't think there is any way to "add" just a couple of inboards to that
single outboard texture... I mean the elevators...
Thanks so much for answering.... I always says.... The Lord hears one's prayers
but sometimes there is no answer... it is not because he does not listen....lol
Pitty... for it is an intriguing and quaint aircraft ... with great possibilities for
"lively" liveries... I guess still is... provided there are no numbers or letters
on the fins....
Thanks again,
G.
So you don't think there is any way to "add" just a couple of inboards to that
single outboard texture... I mean the elevators...
Thanks so much for answering.... I always says.... The Lord hears one's prayers
but sometimes there is no answer... it is not because he does not listen....lol
Pitty... for it is an intriguing and quaint aircraft ... with great possibilities for
"lively" liveries... I guess still is... provided there are no numbers or letters
on the fins....
Thanks again,
G.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
By the way...
Would you be amenable to explain the procedure for "de-mirroring" beyond what textures to add...
when the model is amenable to such a change -I mean the technical part for those of us less fortunate
in technical knowledge"... like the stock CFS2 models...
thanks in advance...
G.
Would you be amenable to explain the procedure for "de-mirroring" beyond what textures to add...
when the model is amenable to such a change -I mean the technical part for those of us less fortunate
in technical knowledge"... like the stock CFS2 models...
thanks in advance...
G.
Gaucho.
Roger found the unit and the insignia colors.
I am sending you a whole folder with stuff you can use for the repaint-via email or filesend--will depend on the size.
Meanwhile see attached images.
The insignia is a head of a "bougnat"
Bougnat (pronounced [boonia] with the stress on the last syllable --a-- means:
bougnat
nom masculin (masculine)
(de charbougna, mot pseudo-auvergnat) ---from charbogna, a pseudo-Auvergnat word)
Définitions
Difficultés
Familier. Débitant de boissons et marchand de charbon, souvent d'origine auvergnate. (slang term: selller of drinks and charcoal merchant).
==========
bougnat
[buɲa]
nom masculin
in Paris, owner of a small café who also sold coal
The fellow certainly looks the part, doesn't he? A COAL MERCHANT of old times...
Nick
Roger found the unit and the insignia colors.
I am sending you a whole folder with stuff you can use for the repaint-via email or filesend--will depend on the size.
Meanwhile see attached images.
The insignia is a head of a "bougnat"
Bougnat (pronounced [boonia] with the stress on the last syllable --a-- means:
bougnat
nom masculin (masculine)
(de charbougna, mot pseudo-auvergnat) ---from charbogna, a pseudo-Auvergnat word)
Définitions
Difficultés
Familier. Débitant de boissons et marchand de charbon, souvent d'origine auvergnate. (slang term: selller of drinks and charcoal merchant).
==========
bougnat
[buɲa]
nom masculin
in Paris, owner of a small café who also sold coal
The fellow certainly looks the part, doesn't he? A COAL MERCHANT of old times...
Nick
Attachments
Gaucho.
Roger found the unit and the insignia colors.
I am sending you a whole folder with stuff you can use for the repaint-via email or filesend--will depend on the size.
Meanwhile see attached images.
The insignia is a head of a "bougnat"
Bougnat (pronounced [boonia] with the stress on the last syllable --a-- means:
bougnat
nom masculin (masculine)
(de charbougna, mot pseudo-auvergnat) ---from charbogna, a pseudo-Auvergnat word)
Définitions
Difficultés
Familier. Débitant de boissons et marchand de charbon, souvent d'origine auvergnate. (slang term: selller of drinks and charcoal merchant).
==========
bougnat
[buɲa]
nom masculin
in Paris, owner of a small café who also sold coal
The fellow certainly looks the part, doesn't he? A COAL MERCHANT of old times...
I also discovered that modern French aircraft still fly with this unit... Some four-engine jobs....
Nick
Roger found the unit and the insignia colors.
I am sending you a whole folder with stuff you can use for the repaint-via email or filesend--will depend on the size.
Meanwhile see attached images.
The insignia is a head of a "bougnat"
Bougnat (pronounced [boonia] with the stress on the last syllable --a-- means:
bougnat
nom masculin (masculine)
(de charbougna, mot pseudo-auvergnat) ---from charbogna, a pseudo-Auvergnat word)
Définitions
Difficultés
Familier. Débitant de boissons et marchand de charbon, souvent d'origine auvergnate. (slang term: selller of drinks and charcoal merchant).
==========
bougnat
[buɲa]
nom masculin
in Paris, owner of a small café who also sold coal
The fellow certainly looks the part, doesn't he? A COAL MERCHANT of old times...
I also discovered that modern French aircraft still fly with this unit... Some four-engine jobs....
Nick
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
de-mirror textures
to do that, we would either need permission to alter the model or get the source file. if either can be done then we could de-mirror them. but its ALOT of work.
without the source file the model has to be extracted. which means all of the LODs as well (if it had them) then each model has to be cut, re mapped and then all of the animations have to be fixed. as well as the breaking parts. once that is done then it can be re assembled and tested.
its not impossible to do. Its just not easy either.
to do that, we would either need permission to alter the model or get the source file. if either can be done then we could de-mirror them. but its ALOT of work.
without the source file the model has to be extracted. which means all of the LODs as well (if it had them) then each model has to be cut, re mapped and then all of the animations have to be fixed. as well as the breaking parts. once that is done then it can be re assembled and tested.
its not impossible to do. Its just not easy either.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
Like I said... out of my league...
I wish I had the know-how to do this... unfortunately... I am ZERO on CAD -type work...
as is... the only repaint possible is a natural metal overall... with no writing whatsoever...
or a numbe like 8... that is the same mirrored... it is really a pity because this
plane would merit a righteous repaint....
I wish I had the know-how to do this... unfortunately... I am ZERO on CAD -type work...
as is... the only repaint possible is a natural metal overall... with no writing whatsoever...
or a numbe like 8... that is the same mirrored... it is really a pity because this
plane would merit a righteous repaint....
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
If you can get the permission from the auther to do it. I'd give it a go. but it will take time. I haven't worked less then 48 hours a week since I've gone back to work. It could be done in a few weeks if someone has the time. Allen might beable to do it in a week. If he has the time.
gaucho_59
Charter Member
You talk like you know this stuff...
Am I to understand that you know how to do this type of work? Because getting permission probably would not
be a problem... I think Baldy is the one who made the model... I may be wrong... but perhaps he might not have the time to
do it... but certainly would give his permission as it would make the model more popular...
we'll see....maye Jynx might come out with some idea...
Ciao for now...
PS... I can see the vogue with all these payware models... most of them are "repainter friendly" because they are done right...
However... if one has to look to that... it could be prohibitive in terms of "sheckles".... lol
Am I to understand that you know how to do this type of work? Because getting permission probably would not
be a problem... I think Baldy is the one who made the model... I may be wrong... but perhaps he might not have the time to
do it... but certainly would give his permission as it would make the model more popular...
we'll see....maye Jynx might come out with some idea...
Ciao for now...
PS... I can see the vogue with all these payware models... most of them are "repainter friendly" because they are done right...
However... if one has to look to that... it could be prohibitive in terms of "sheckles".... lol
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
if you can get the perms and the model can be extrated into Gmax then yes I'd be willing. If the model can't be extracted then we'd need the source files to work from.
Do you have a link to the download?
I could test it and see what would be needed.
Do you have a link to the download?
I could test it and see what would be needed.
beepee
SOH-CM-2023
I founded informations on the net about the Breguet BR A2 with the insigna "tête de bougnat" (see http://www.traditions-air.fr/texte/Saga_des_bougnats.htm)
Cheers
bepee
Cheers
bepee
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
I have a WIP of a CFS1 BR 14 A2. I've been working on it for sometime now. but if we could get a better model then I could use it for the LODs. Eventhough the BR 19 was a little different, Smoother lines. It would save a few steps.
gaucho_59,
If you can get the Perms and help me get a model to work from then this could be a reality. I can't promise a master piece but it would work nicely. I'll grab Allen if it gets too big. (Oooh Allen, I need to talk to you. Now where is my club...)
I'll PM you my email.
gaucho_59,
If you can get the Perms and help me get a model to work from then this could be a reality. I can't promise a master piece but it would work nicely. I'll grab Allen if it gets too big. (Oooh Allen, I need to talk to you. Now where is my club...)
I'll PM you my email.
Blood_Hawk23
Charter Member
Well I may have to Shanghai him. Hence the club. Until we have a model to work with, its just an Idea.