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Potential boycott brewing at F1 United States Grand Prix
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wombat666
Administrator
I do agree with the sentiment driving the smaller teams but this type of action is not the way to gain a resolution!
Completely stupid to do so in the US, a great circuit, nice (mostly
) people and increasing support for F1.
Threatening to boycott the race will damage or even destroy what little credibility F1 has in the US and paints the teams involved as venal idiots in the general public's mind.
The financial imbalance is there and we know that it is very unfair, having said that, F1 is outrageously expensive, if people who can't deal with this out of the public eye and in an adult fashion then they should just get out of F1 permanently.
Formula 1 costs, always has and probably always will, suck it up.
Piss or get off the pot!!!
I do understand the timing, with two teams in receivership and four less cars on the grid, this IS a very good time to lean on Bernie and extract some of the US$900M in the slush fund, given that the original budget cap was an epic fail.
That said, it should not be the fans who get short changed!!
I've always thought the financial rewards from the Formula 1 commercial profits should be reversed, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and RBR do not need the fat bonuses, the lesser teams do and to me, it makes sound business sense to bring the little guys on and encourage others to enter. The one strict caveat I would put in place would be a thorough investigation of who invests in these operations, no Russian Mafia (Marussia), Asian Triad (Caterham) or South American Recreational Pharmaceuticals 'Businessmen' need apply.
Completely stupid to do so in the US, a great circuit, nice (mostly
) people and increasing support for F1.Threatening to boycott the race will damage or even destroy what little credibility F1 has in the US and paints the teams involved as venal idiots in the general public's mind.
The financial imbalance is there and we know that it is very unfair, having said that, F1 is outrageously expensive, if people who can't deal with this out of the public eye and in an adult fashion then they should just get out of F1 permanently.
Formula 1 costs, always has and probably always will, suck it up.
Piss or get off the pot!!!
I do understand the timing, with two teams in receivership and four less cars on the grid, this IS a very good time to lean on Bernie and extract some of the US$900M in the slush fund, given that the original budget cap was an epic fail.
That said, it should not be the fans who get short changed!!
I've always thought the financial rewards from the Formula 1 commercial profits should be reversed, Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes and RBR do not need the fat bonuses, the lesser teams do and to me, it makes sound business sense to bring the little guys on and encourage others to enter. The one strict caveat I would put in place would be a thorough investigation of who invests in these operations, no Russian Mafia (Marussia), Asian Triad (Caterham) or South American Recreational Pharmaceuticals 'Businessmen' need apply.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Wombat,
I generally understand what you're saying and let me add something else.
This issue is part of the reason why the Constructor's Championship is more valued than any other form of motorsport.
I generally understand what you're saying and let me add something else.
This issue is part of the reason why the Constructor's Championship is more valued than any other form of motorsport.
Hey All,
I have always thought - something has to be done to "equalize" the teams or the little guys will go home and who can blame them? The alternative may be an 8 car field for only those with money. Other series have certainly faced the same issue.
An add: I'd be curious to see a list of teams that have pulled out of F1 over money - anybody know? Is that the reason behind Toyota, Honda, BMW, others? Has Nissan ever been in F1?
-Ed-
I have always thought - something has to be done to "equalize" the teams or the little guys will go home and who can blame them? The alternative may be an 8 car field for only those with money. Other series have certainly faced the same issue.
An add: I'd be curious to see a list of teams that have pulled out of F1 over money - anybody know? Is that the reason behind Toyota, Honda, BMW, others? Has Nissan ever been in F1?
-Ed-
Daveroo
Members +
but remember this..if they equalize,then youll end up with a nascar version of F1...isnt that one of the things you all complain about with nascar?..cookie cuter cars,everything the same..no manufacture differences?...hmmm..careful for what you beg for...
that said..i didnt read the story...im just going off all of your comments...so dont yell at me...
that said..i didnt read the story...im just going off all of your comments...so dont yell at me...
Ferry_vO
Retired SOH Administrator
Ferrari gets an annual $120 million bonus just for showing up, more than Caterham and Marussia had to spend for this entire season. Things definitely need to change!
Hey All,
Toyota is worth near 200 billion, Honda 60 billion, Nissan 40 billion - Ferrari 7 billion as of the estimate last week since Fiat Chrysler is spinning them off to go on their own. The point I am making is I suspect any of these Japanese car makers could outspend Ferrari on car development pretty easily if they wanted to. But they don't or didn't - even for the two that were in F1. The question I have is why? A lack of willingness to spend or is there something deeper?
I'd be curious to hear what you and others think. I with no evidence think it is deeper but I don't know.
-Ed-
Toyota is worth near 200 billion, Honda 60 billion, Nissan 40 billion - Ferrari 7 billion as of the estimate last week since Fiat Chrysler is spinning them off to go on their own. The point I am making is I suspect any of these Japanese car makers could outspend Ferrari on car development pretty easily if they wanted to. But they don't or didn't - even for the two that were in F1. The question I have is why? A lack of willingness to spend or is there something deeper?
I'd be curious to hear what you and others think. I with no evidence think it is deeper but I don't know.
-Ed-
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
Toyota did spend a huge amount with Ralf Schumacher & Honda spent a huge amount with BAR/Villeneuve.
I don't know if it was more than what Ferrari spent...
wombat666
Administrator
There's always been an odd mindset with Japanese manufacturers, as engine suppliers they do a great job but when it comes to fielding a race team they fail.
No idea why.
Honda and Toyota in F1 are the most obvious, but let's not forget Toyota and Nissan at Le mans and throughout the WSCC, with Mazda being the only really successful Japanese manufacturer to take Le Mans outright.
No idea why.
Honda and Toyota in F1 are the most obvious, but let's not forget Toyota and Nissan at Le mans and throughout the WSCC, with Mazda being the only really successful Japanese manufacturer to take Le Mans outright.
Panther_99FS
Retired SOH Administrator
There's always been an odd mindset with Japanese manufacturers, as engine suppliers they do a great job but when it comes to fielding a race team they fail.
No idea why.
Honda and Toyota in F1 are the most obvious, but let's not forget Toyota and Nissan at Le mans and throughout the WSCC, with Mazda being the only really successful Japanese manufacturer to take Le Mans outright.
Yes and both times, there were wild predictions about BAR and Toyota being "superteams".....