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Project Tupolev Tu-154B2 for FSX version 1.3 released!!

vl82m said:
What kind of improvements? Many people tried, it's hard somehow but not impossible. However the developer Kirill isn't particularly interested in the KLN90 or any GPS himself so I guess it's up to the community to work on that device. Navigation with I-21 INS or the Soviet NVU system is generally more stable and less prone to CTDs currently.
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I can't promise miracles, but I am an experienced c++ gauge programmer, and what I see in there so far doesn't scare me too bad.

Basically in order of priority:
1. Move the text up so the last line doesn't get chopped off.
2. Make the AP heading actually work by fixing the wrong calculation of DTK.
3. Clean up some of the screen artifacts that get stuck on the divider lines.
4. Get a clearer, cleaner background image of the KLN90B.
5. Make a hidden click spot to load the FS flight plan to page zero and get rid of the add-on menu.
6. Use the FSX NAV/GPS switch/signal to decide whether to drive the AP heading from the KLN90B.
7. Add the ILS frequencies to the airport page 4 list.
8. Implement the ALT button.

And some basic documentation. Does any exist now? Operating this thing is not intuitive. I know we have the real KLN90B manual but that' doesn't say anything about how to turn the knobs on the simulated version, and it's not obvious that right-clicks turn the outer knob while the mouse wheel does the inner one. For the first few weeks I just thought it was hopelessly buggy!

Anything else anyone interested would like to see?

Dutch
 
ceo1944 said:
I can't promise miracles, but I am an experienced c++ gauge programmer, and what I see in there so far doesn't scare me too bad.

Basically in order of priority:
1. Move the text up so the last line doesn't get chopped off.
2. Make the AP heading actually work by fixing the wrong calculation of DTK.
3. Clean up some of the screen artifacts that get stuck on the divider lines.
4. Get a clearer, cleaner background image of the KLN90B.
5. Make a hidden click spot to load the FS flight plan to page zero and get rid of the add-on menu.
6. Use the FSX NAV/GPS switch/signal to decide whether to drive the AP heading from the KLN90B.
7. Add the ILS frequencies to the airport page 4 list.
8. Implement the ALT button.

And some basic documentation. Does any exist now? Operating this thing is not intuitive. I know we have the real KLN90B manual but that' doesn't say anything about how to turn the knobs on the simulated version, and it's not obvious that right-clicks turn the outer knob while the mouse wheel does the inner one. For the first few weeks I just thought it was hopelessly buggy!

Anything else anyone interested would like to see?

Dutch
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In the Tu-154 the NAV/GPS switch is in fact NVU-INS-SNS (of which SNS is the KLN-90B). If you want to couple the AP to the KLN90B, just put the switch on the SNS position and the AP will follow the KLN, then if you want to disconnect the KLN from AP, just set the AP switch to the other navigation systems position. NAV (VOR, ILS) systems are independant, but can also be coupled to the AP. So this small switch was a little bit more complicated in the Tupolev but thankfully the system already implemented.

The dropdown from menu to load a flightplan isn't that much of a trouble, usually problems come from outdated airacs as it may skip waypoints. However it would be a convenience to load flightplans directly from the KLN rather than the menu. And what kind of manual? I have not found a trainer so far. How to turn knobs maybe you could check some youtube videos where you can see how they turn them. Project Tupolev is not the only KLN90 in FSX as I believe Aerosoft also has one. But the aerosoft one has completely different "button clicking" logic it was hard to get used by that one.

One feature I believe would have a huge advantage is the KLN90 as a 3D model that can be used from VC. A 3d open source model of the KLN was also uploaded to avsim.su.
 
vl82m said:
In the Tu-154 the NAV/GPS switch is in fact NVU-INS-SNS (of which SNS is the KLN-90B). If you want to couple the AP to the KLN90B, just put the switch on the SNS position and the AP will follow the KLN, then if you want to disconnect the KLN from AP, just set the AP switch to the other navigation systems position. NAV (VOR, ILS) systems are independant, but can also be coupled to the AP. So this small switch was a little bit more complicated in the Tupolev but thankfully the system already implemented.

The dropdown from menu to load a flightplan isn't that much of a trouble, usually problems come from outdated airacs as it may skip waypoints. However it would be a convenience to load flightplans directly from the KLN rather than the menu. And what kind of manual? I have not found a trainer so far. How to turn knobs maybe you could check some youtube videos where you can see how they turn them. Project Tupolev is not the only KLN90 in FSX as I believe Aerosoft also has one. But the aerosoft one has completely different "button clicking" logic it was hard to get used by that one.

One feature I believe would have a huge advantage is the KLN90 as a 3D model that can be used from VC. A 3d open source model of the KLN was also uploaded to avsim.su.
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I can confirm #1 is fixed as of today. I'm working on #2, but that won't be quite so easy.

My initial goal here is to fix the showstopper bugs in the 2D version, and make some small changes so that it can be a useful device in any airplane.

It just needs a small manual or README that will explain to a new user how to manipulate the controls on it, and how to update the nav data, to reduce frustration. That can point to the official KLN90B manual which will explains pretty clearly how to actually use the device. That's available on the web here: http://www.bendixking.com/HWL/media/Pilot-Guides/006-08773-0000_1.pdf

I will work on that too. As time allows.

I'll also set up a section on the FSCaptain forums devoted to this so that interested parties can take further discussion out of this thread :)

Dutch
 
ceo1944 said:
I can confirm #1 is fixed as of today. I'm working on #2, but that won't be quite so easy.

My initial goal here is to fix the showstopper bugs in the 2D version, and make some small changes so that it can be a useful device in any airplane.

It just needs a small manual or README that will explain to a new user how to manipulate the controls on it, and how to update the nav data, to reduce frustration. That can point to the official KLN90B manual which will explains pretty clearly how to actually use the device. That's available on the web here: http://www.bendixking.com/HWL/media/Pilot-Guides/006-08773-0000_1.pdf

I will work on that too. As time allows.

I'll also set up a section on the FSCaptain forums devoted to this so that interested parties can take further discussion out of this thread :)

Dutch
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It is nice to hear something at least is gone, of course some of them won't be easy. However to catch interesting parties I would recommend creating topics on english section avsim.su (CIS), and the fsdeveloper forums as more likely another programmer will stumble upon in and provide help and work to speed up process. I believe many people on avsim.su are interested because almost the whole Russian community is familiar with this device and is used not only on Tu-154, but also An-24, Il-76, An-12...

On this manual for FS9 there is a section describing the KLN90B use with buttons etc and how to use the device in flight simulator. It's the same KLN that's been exported to FSX.

https://yadi.sk/i/q9G79Ve8dyKQ4
 
Great list Dutch. Thanks for your effort.

About the AP link, the source code contain the code of the KLN link with the Tu-154 AP (ABSU)?
 
SeanTK said:
Getting a message from Avast anti-virus saying it terminated the download and blocked a Trojan virus. Is anyone else getting a message from their AV program, or is this a false positive?
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I got that the first time I downloaded it with AVAST. I tried again and it downloaded OK. Bob.
 
Is this version 1.3 supposed to be a standalone aircraft? There is no .air file and it doesn't show up in the Aircraft Select window at all. Bob.
 
familton said:
Is this version 1.3 supposed to be a standalone aircraft? There is no .air file and it doesn't show up in the Aircraft Select window at all. Bob.
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Version 1.3 is standalone version, but the latter update is not. Are you sure that you didn't install only the update but not the aircraft?
 
ce_zeta said:
Great list Dutch. Thanks for your effort.

About the AP link, the source code contain the code of the KLN link with the Tu-154 AP (ABSU)?
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I have now gotten #2 and #3 done. The gauge looks much better and will even fly the flight plan for you!

Further discussion can be done over on FSDeveloper at : http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/pt-kln90b-thread.432761/

A link to a downloadable version of the fixed gauge (a work in progress and a BETA, you are warned) can be found there.

Dutch

I don't know about the Tu-154 AP link. I will look around for it. Talk to me on FSDeveloper.
 
Familton, if you installed v1.3 try to download again. As vl82m said v1.3 is standalone (I checked few minutes ago, and looks right).

Wow, amazing job Dutch. When the work is done with Passion, barriers don't exist.
 
ceo1944 said:
I have now gotten #2 and #3 done. The gauge looks much better and will even fly the flight plan for you!

Further discussion can be done over on FSDeveloper at : http://www.fsdeveloper.com/forum/threads/pt-kln90b-thread.432761/

A link to a downloadable version of the fixed gauge (a work in progress and a BETA, you are warned) can be found there.

Dutch

I don't know about the Tu-154 AP link. I will look around for it. Talk to me on FSDeveloper.
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Thanks, I will test it on a flight this evening and see how it goes. Updated airac for KLN is available here: http://www.avsim.su/f/dlya-pilotov-19/cikl-1501-dlya-kln90b-ot-project-tupolev-55689.html

As a warning to everyone, despite the Project Tupolev KLN have SID/STARs available I do not suggest anybody to use them! Use radio navigation for these procedures or if RNAV only approaches put waypoint to waypoint manually! The SID/STARs processed automatically for the KLN are buggy and may skip waypoints or display the waypoints too close to each other or in a completely wrong location. Getting lost during a STAR with no charts or frequencies would be really annoying...
 
vl82m said:
Version 1.3 is standalone version, but the latter update is not. Are you sure that you didn't install only the update but not the aircraft?
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The file I downloaded is PT_TU-154B2_1_3_1.exe. The properties are 66,512,427 bytes.

The .air file is not in the download. I don't know if this is supposed to be the complete plane or not. There are missing sub gauges inside of several of the cab files and two gauges that are missing completely. I doubt that a bad download would cause these errors. Bob.
 
You have indeed downloaded the update.
You need the file named PT_Tu-154B2_FSX_1_3.exe.
227 mb.

The clue to the version is in the file name.
Version 1.3 is 1_3, version 2 was 1_2 etc.
If there is a third number, then it's an update,
_1 = first update, _2 = 2nd update etc.

Nick.
 
I have avast (Pay version) here too, but no error message when downloading or installing. Instaled the plane + update and having a hard time trying to proper use it :biggrin-new:
 
Just uninstall these annoying antiviruses... I'm glad I never have run an anti-virus in 5 years now and only had a problem once, removed virus manually. Anti-viruses are nothing but a scam decided to trick people who think it's dangerous to not have one... Uninstall them, less trouble, less false positives, and a faster computer.
 
familton said:
Thanks but AVAST gives me an error and it will not download. I am giving up and deleting the plane. Bob.
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It's probably for the best, there is a lot to learn once you have it.
CTRL+E doesn't work and after having a version of this truly
excellent aircraft model for several years, I can say I have learnt
about 5% of what is needed to operate it correctly.:crushed:

I also agree with vl82m, my experiences with anti virus software
have so far caused me far more problems than a virus would have.

Nick.
 
vl82m said:
Just uninstall these annoying antiviruses... I'm glad I never have run an anti-virus in 5 years now and only had a problem once, removed virus manually. Anti-viruses are nothing but a scam decided to trick people who think it's dangerous to not have one... Uninstall them, less trouble, less false positives, and a faster computer.
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I tend to agree with that, plus the fact that if you're running windows 8/8.1, you already have windows defender, there's no point having another, much less spending money on one.

If you have windows 7 and feel insecure not having an antivirus, just get a free version of AVG or bitdefender and you're set.
 
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