TeiscoDelRay
Life Time CM
Thanks, I was under impression that DSR only works in true full screen but if you guys have it working in P3D's version of full screen than that is good enough for me.
Reasons FSX Users Don't Move to P3D
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odourboy
SOH-CM-2020
I like this thread! 
Regarding the 'full screen mode' aspect of P3D, let me ask in a different way. I'm using FSX in Full Screen with 1/2 refresh rate set in NI (otherwise I do get screen tearing), DSR and DX10 Fixer. Good looking screen, pretty smooth, not hitting any VAS issues with my add-ons (basically a happy camper). Will P3D2v5 offer me an equivalent image quality experience? Would I give up anything? Would I gain anything?
Regarding the 'full screen mode' aspect of P3D, let me ask in a different way. I'm using FSX in Full Screen with 1/2 refresh rate set in NI (otherwise I do get screen tearing), DSR and DX10 Fixer. Good looking screen, pretty smooth, not hitting any VAS issues with my add-ons (basically a happy camper). Will P3D2v5 offer me an equivalent image quality experience? Would I give up anything? Would I gain anything?
Daube
SOH-CM-2025
I have no VSync issues in P3D, despite the "fake" full-screen. I also use the DSR to improve the quality of the antialiasing, and that works quite well. Additionally, I'm using Sweetfx to improve the colors. The HDR effect coupled with the new "fog" effect and the cloud shadows give a very enjoyable rendering.
As I wrote earlier, the only thing I'm missing is the special colors from the ENB bloom, but that doesn't work in FSX DX10 either, so it's off-topic for your question.
As I wrote earlier, the only thing I'm missing is the special colors from the ENB bloom, but that doesn't work in FSX DX10 either, so it's off-topic for your question.
Tim-HH
SOH-CM-2023
Could you maybe be a bit more specific? From what I know LM has not touched the flightdynamics or the weather system. All they have done in this area it to make it easier for developers to use a own custom flight model. But if you have other informations, I would be interested to know them.
Of course it is! While developers like A2A or PMDG program all aircraft systems from scratch, most other developers do rely on the FSX/P3D default aircraft systems. Unfortunately these systems are only very basic (e.g. the autopilot) and/or full of shortcomings (e.g. the bad simulation of the turboprop turbine). So an improvement of the core aircraft systems would have a positive impact on almost every addon aircraft.
All I wanted to say is that LM so far has mainly focused on improving the visual side of the simulation. The rest is more or less identically to FSX. Which is not bad as it means that we can use most of our addons in both simulators. But some new features to the core of the simulation like a weather system with moving fronts or a realistic helicopter flight model would make it much more appealing to switch to P3D.
Greetings
Tim
Allow me to make two point here:
1. How is having to license a new 'full' version any different than the case of FS8, FS9, FSX, etc.? The next major version v3.x is not likely to be released for many, many months, so that's not too much to worry about.
2. Beginning with the current v2.5, 'full installs' will no longer be required. L-M have promised a more traditional, incremental patch update from now on.
AnotherOneJustGreat
Charter Member
My reasons:
- If I'm honest about the license I need to buy, its simply too expensive for me, especially considering that
- I'd need to almost re-buy the A2A aircraft and some others I like with appropriate P3D licensing
- In addition, Flight1 is stubbornly refusing so support the sim last time I checked, and I really like their KingAir and C182 a lot
If P3D goes 64bit, and a majority of the addons I like will support that, that might be the incentive I need to spend all that additional money.
- If I'm honest about the license I need to buy, its simply too expensive for me, especially considering that
- I'd need to almost re-buy the A2A aircraft and some others I like with appropriate P3D licensing
- In addition, Flight1 is stubbornly refusing so support the sim last time I checked, and I really like their KingAir and C182 a lot
If P3D goes 64bit, and a majority of the addons I like will support that, that might be the incentive I need to spend all that additional money.
LM's position on "Weather" in general has been (and I think it remains so at this point) that they are staying out of the weather generating business and instead leaving that for the various weather programs available within the community.
DaveB
Charter Member
Quite easy to respond to both really. You use FS8, FS9, FSX as examples. With these.. you got a whole new sim.. for better or worse. With P3D (thus far as far as I can see).. LM run incremental updates for a given period (I don't know what that is) then release a 'new' version. The new version is (again, as far as I can see) more of the same.. some things broken.. others fixed. It could be considered another update to all intents and it is. Don't get me wrong.. I've nothing against a sim growing and being improved. I'm more against less and less of what I currently use no longer working. Money IS an object here. In the grand scale of things.. I've only recently moved to FSX and am not yet ready to start forking out for things that are P3D compatible. When P3D becomes more 'final release' (if it will ever reach that point) and importantly.. WHEN I have a system capable of running it, I'll reconsider.
As for the second point.. all well and good
ATB
DaveB
Tim-HH
SOH-CM-2023
Thanks for the info! But that are two different things as the FSX/P3D weather system sets the boundaries for all these weather tools. The weather tools are injecting their weather into the FSX/P3D weather system and therefore they can't overcome its deficits.
Greetings
Tim
Its a matter of cost-fun analysis for me, my current rig is about at it's limits with FSX, P3D would require a new system, so figure about ~ 1000USD + P3D and addon licenses. Being that I hold FAA pilot certificates, I would be 'obligated' to buy pro licences not only for P3D but any corresponding addon.
I don't see the need to invest that kind of money into what would be a marginal increase in 'fun'. With A2A/RealAir/PMDG/F1...etc addons, ASN, REX, Orbx Scenery, DX10 fixer, most FSX deficiencies are well covered. I don't see going from FSX to the current form of P3D to be the same as going from say FS9 to FSX. FSX still has plenty of life left in it. The day A2A announces they stop supporting FSX products, then I will consider it. Perhaps then P3Dv3 or 4 will be on the shelf, and the jump will be much more worthwhile.
This is coming from someone who still uses a flip phone. I see no need to pay $$ for a smartphone when the dumbphone is fine for making phonecalls and the occasional text message.
Cheers
TJ
I don't see the need to invest that kind of money into what would be a marginal increase in 'fun'. With A2A/RealAir/PMDG/F1...etc addons, ASN, REX, Orbx Scenery, DX10 fixer, most FSX deficiencies are well covered. I don't see going from FSX to the current form of P3D to be the same as going from say FS9 to FSX. FSX still has plenty of life left in it. The day A2A announces they stop supporting FSX products, then I will consider it. Perhaps then P3Dv3 or 4 will be on the shelf, and the jump will be much more worthwhile.
This is coming from someone who still uses a flip phone. I see no need to pay $$ for a smartphone when the dumbphone is fine for making phonecalls and the occasional text message.Cheers
TJ
Jafo
SOH-CM-2024
FSX is a 32bit program whose core has not been improved in about a decade.
When hardware [and its OS] is very much going 64bit by the minute FSX will always be a dinosaur [and only become more so as time progresses]
Nothing will make FSX multi-core aware or capable of addressing ram beyond the 32bit threshold. Getting it to be 'high memory aware' is a bandaid fix...sort of wet, soggy bandaid that slips off...
If MS were to rewrite it in 64bit I think people might then realise just how clunky it is/was ...
Johan although it is only a 13" screen, it runs fsx pretty well. I was flying around (through) the las vegas strip tonight at about 30fps with dx10. Other than it is a laptop, is there any reason to think P3D v2.5 would not run about as well as fsx with dx10?
fsxar177
Long-Time Enthusiast
"...While developers like A2A or PMDG program all aircraft systems from scratch..."
I cannot speak for PMDG, however A2A hardly develops the aircraft systems from scratch... Their Flight Models are based nearly entirely on stock FSX code, and a build-up of that code. Probably less that 5% rely on some genius 'outside' program.
- Joseph
I cannot speak for PMDG, however A2A hardly develops the aircraft systems from scratch... Their Flight Models are based nearly entirely on stock FSX code, and a build-up of that code. Probably less that 5% rely on some genius 'outside' program.
- Joseph
Dumonceau
Banned
Well, that is pretty amazing! If your run FSX with DX10, and your GFX card is DX11 capable, you could (I say COULD) run P3D.
I'm actually pretty curious about the results!
Johan
harrybasset
Charter Member
Reading these for and against threads I am not sure of the point of the discussion. Is it that P3D is superior to FSX or that the users of P3D see themselves as superior to users of FSX?
Why I havnt moved to P3d.
1. FSX in DX10 is fine. Still same install for 5 years.
2. I have too much money invested.
3. FSX doesnt change so developers have a fixed playing field.
4. P3D is just FSX rebooted. Just like steam version, when they change things , some things break and developers have to go back to drawing board.
5. Some developers charge same price for FSX and P3D others charge more, still havnt figured out why. If it is a licence issue, than all developers would be / should be charging more.
6 Its stll 32 bit, when it goes to 64 bit, we will start the circle all over again.
7. P3D has cloud shadow, yes they look nice but i have being without them for this long I can wait.
8. Am considering Xplane 10, but that too has its problems. need CD etc etc. Every time a major revision need to repurchase unless im wrong.
Is P3D better, looks that way, I have no arguements with that. But im happy with FSX.
Smile and have a lovely day
1. FSX in DX10 is fine. Still same install for 5 years.
2. I have too much money invested.
3. FSX doesnt change so developers have a fixed playing field.
4. P3D is just FSX rebooted. Just like steam version, when they change things , some things break and developers have to go back to drawing board.
5. Some developers charge same price for FSX and P3D others charge more, still havnt figured out why. If it is a licence issue, than all developers would be / should be charging more.
6 Its stll 32 bit, when it goes to 64 bit, we will start the circle all over again.
7. P3D has cloud shadow, yes they look nice but i have being without them for this long I can wait.
8. Am considering Xplane 10, but that too has its problems. need CD etc etc. Every time a major revision need to repurchase unless im wrong.
Is P3D better, looks that way, I have no arguements with that. But im happy with FSX.
Smile and have a lovely day
dhazelgrove
Charter Member
I note that both of these for/against 'discussions' are taking place in the FSX forum.
Have we nothing better to do?
Dave
Have we nothing better to do?
Dave
FSX is a 32bit program whose core has not been improved in about a decade.
When hardware [and its OS] is very much going 64bit by the minute FSX will always be a dinosaur [and only become more so as time progresses]
Nothing will make FSX multi-core aware or capable of addressing ram beyond the 32bit threshold. Getting it to be 'high memory aware' is a bandaid fix...sort of wet, soggy bandaid that slips off...
If MS were to rewrite it in 64bit I think people might then realise just how clunky it is/was ...
Well, we know that MS will not rewrite it in 64bit, as the license for FSX is with Dovetail.
Why I havnt moved to P3d.
1. FSX in DX10 is fine. Still same install for 5 years. - You have compared your install with?
2. I have too much money invested. - You spend money for a game, you do not 'invest'.
3. FSX doesnt change so developers have a fixed playing field. - a few inovations, TacPac etc
4. P3D is just FSX rebooted. Just like steam version, when they change things , some things break and developers have to go back to drawing board. - You MUST be aware of the 10x upgrades & versions?
5. Some developers charge same price for FSX and P3D others charge more, still havnt figured out why. If it is a licence issue, than all developers would be / should be charging more. - Some do charge a professional/traing price for a professional/training add-on.
6 Its stll 32 bit, when it goes to 64 bit, we will start the circle all over again. - YUP, as it will be a different sim. We will all start from scratch again.
7. P3D has cloud shadow, yes they look nice but i have being without them for this long I can wait. - It has a lot more than just cloud shadow. Have you seen that, or any other differences?
8. Am considering Xplane 10, but that too has its problems. need CD etc etc. Every time a major revision need to repurchase unless im wrong. ?? re the needing CD etc? FSX also needs the DVD in to play, unless it has been illegally patched. X-plane comes with 10 DVD's & costs a lot more. Your reasons for considering X-Plane? & Yes, it IS a 64bit program.
Is P3D better, looks that way, I have no arguements with that. But im happy with FSX.
Smile and have a lovely day You too
1. FSX in DX10 is fine. Still same install for 5 years. - You have compared your install with?
2. I have too much money invested. - You spend money for a game, you do not 'invest'.
3. FSX doesnt change so developers have a fixed playing field. - a few inovations, TacPac etc
4. P3D is just FSX rebooted. Just like steam version, when they change things , some things break and developers have to go back to drawing board. - You MUST be aware of the 10x upgrades & versions?
5. Some developers charge same price for FSX and P3D others charge more, still havnt figured out why. If it is a licence issue, than all developers would be / should be charging more. - Some do charge a professional/traing price for a professional/training add-on.
6 Its stll 32 bit, when it goes to 64 bit, we will start the circle all over again. - YUP, as it will be a different sim. We will all start from scratch again.
7. P3D has cloud shadow, yes they look nice but i have being without them for this long I can wait. - It has a lot more than just cloud shadow. Have you seen that, or any other differences?
8. Am considering Xplane 10, but that too has its problems. need CD etc etc. Every time a major revision need to repurchase unless im wrong. ?? re the needing CD etc? FSX also needs the DVD in to play, unless it has been illegally patched. X-plane comes with 10 DVD's & costs a lot more. Your reasons for considering X-Plane? & Yes, it IS a 64bit program.
Is P3D better, looks that way, I have no arguements with that. But im happy with FSX.
Smile and have a lovely day
You too