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Maxstuka Ship Improvements

thanks!. I think the same but I can not delete this lifeboat , y try using alpha texture + repaint mdl colors, but it did not work, the lifeboat of the big turret are strange, this 4 boat become glassy trasparent. I try using the mdlc but it can not work with the mdl."message of error not found".

anyone can see what happens painting the small yellow part of the texture in green and creating the alpha chanel.

small boats turrets were removed properly, but I do not know what else to do to disappear the 4 lifeboats of the big turret.
 
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The fluorescens Green are the objets that i can delete, but I do not know a form or metod to delete this trasparent boats, its look like the color of the wáter, and if you put the ship in earth look like earth.
 

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Max,

If you run it through model convert X, You can import it in to Gmax. From there you can edit the model. You can even resize it. You have some great Ideas. Time to learn how to do them. Its easier then it sounds.

'til Later,
John
 
Max,

If you run it through model convert X, You can import it in to Gmax. From there you can edit the model. You can even resize it. You have some great Ideas. Time to learn how to do them. Its easier then it sounds.

'til Later,
John

Thanks but.I am not a simmer!!.I do not have Gmax, and I do not know nothing about it!.This is why, when I can not work, another nice guy help with your knows.

And if you convert in Gmax, the LOD was lost, so It is re make a LOD.This is a work for simmer .

I can delete all the others objets in this ship, but with a construction of the model, I can not go more than its.
 
This is the last that I can do.The laterals boat can be remove. I do not know if exist a posibility to delete the "mold" of the ship, that is "semy-invisible"like a (cristal glassy) using hexaeditor, but I has not idea about what line can be delete to try something.


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MAX....

... did a little more digging and over at wilkipedia they have this 1931 rendition drawing that DOES show some lifeboats on davits. Here is that link;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nelso...ia/File:HMS_Nelson_(1931)_profile_drawing.png

1927 pic: http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail-page-2.asp?ship_id=HMS-Nelson-28

You can zoom in on the pic. for better detail. Neither one shows "boats" on the turret. Maybe the ones already there are supposed to portray cork lifefloats? They were usually dark grey or black.

Here is a site with a bunch of views from different pre-war years and none show anything on the turrets.
http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_nelson.htm

So I guess pick a year and have at it.
 
this is a Nelson that I will add in to my new pack of ships. It was with his friend the Prince of walles.

the improve of Fps with dx1 texture are amazing, I am playing a battle with 40 japans aircraft and 5 HMS big ships. And performance is exelent in my computer.

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about armor of ship

Hi I need help with determinate a damage of big battleships

Stuart set his Rechelieu with belt 60000 and deck 55000 (I think it go better with 63000/65000 of belt and 53000 deck) but I'm not sure
VN Iowa I was setting with belt 70000 and deck 55000, it has 310mm but has better armor in angle, and compartiment tHan south Dakota.
Usio Yamato has belt 100000 and deck 50000, I think it go better with 90000 and 60000
Vn Bismark was setting similar tHan Iowa so Belt 70000 and deck 50000, It is ok, Bismark sopported a fire of 400mm cannons of the rodney and a talboy his sister.
King George V belt 70000? deck 50000?.I found me more vulnerable in spite of his great shield was lost with Bismark and sunk by japans bombardiers relatively easy.It was a Little more bigger than Northcarolina class.
Victorio Venetto belt 65000? deck 51000

Nelson, I found me more vulnerable, it has more armor than others models than they has better structure predisposition, for example Bismark, Bismark has best structure predisposition for his armor cal.


opinions?, what about the other of the list?.



Class
Belt
Deck
Yamato
410 mm (16 in)
230mm
Iowa
310 mm (12.1)
190 mm (7.5 in)
Bismark
320 mm (13 in)
120mm
Rechelieu
343 mm
170 mm
Victorio Venetto
350mm
161mm
King George V
370 mm (14.7 inches)
152 mm (6 inches )
Nelson
356mm (4 in)
171 mm (6,75")
South Dakota
310 mm (12.1)
147 - 154 mm

This page in Spanish speaking about the effectiveness of the shielding.

http://www.historialago.com/av_0425_blindaje.htm
 
Tricky

Hi Max
I only take a guess with regard to these numbers when doing the DP, looking at some of the ships that have been made. I do not really know how to deal with this.
The numbers are 'all over the place'.
JMK Yamato system.0=%system_name.0%,50000,-1
JMK Kongo (revised) system.0=%system_name.0%,40000, -1
VN Tennessee system.0=%system_name.0%,40000,-1
VN North Carolina (revised) system.0=%system_name.0%,30000,-1
VN Iowa (revised) system.0=%system_name.0%,73000,-1
JMK Prince of Wales system.0=%system_name.0%,20000,-1

JMK Kagero system.0=%system_name.0%,8000
Original Kagero system.0=%system_name.0%,1500,-1 (Machine guns can sink this)

Cheers
Stuart
 
I would suggest testing the stock BBs. Both US and Japan. See how much it take to sink them verse what it realy took. Use that as your basis for the rest.

Now ships that didn't sink during WWII we can give them higher values. We can also create the weak spots in the DP. There is a lot that we can do.
 
All that I posted is bad.

Estuve el dia entero investigando sobre cada navío y en resumen hay 3 factores importantísimos en los cuales me estoy basando en configurar los barcos.

1 el belt
2 el deck
3 the size of the ship

Mas haya de los blindajes que tenga el barco, el 3 punto es muy importante a considerar.
Veamos la tabla

CountryClassBeltDeckdamage BeltDamage DecktorpedosBomba500kg

USAPortland146 mm54-64 mm200002000011,81

INGRepulse152mm64mm??1


Estos dos barcos podrían a simple vista considerarse con similar daño (damage), pero la realidad es que el HMS Renown tenia 242 x 27.5 metros
Es decir que es incomparable con la clase Portland americana, el hecho de ser muchísimo mas grande le da más poder de sobrevivencia, esto hace que tenga que crear una categoría de tamaños para catalogar a los barcos.

No podemos ponerle ni en chiste, el mismo damage del portland a este enorme barco pese a que tengan similar blindaje.

Ahora bien, tengo de herramientas además de las corazas protectoras, los damages de las bombas de cfs2.
cookies40000
S.cookies80000
tallboy605005400kg
rocket1000
hs29315000
2500kg28000
2000kg24000
1800kg22000
1000kg15000
torpedo17500-20000
800kg17500-20000
500kg11000
250kg5500
120kg2250

Algunos datos:
El Yamato al 6 torpedo ya estaba lo suficientemente dañado para hundirse lentamente, los otros torpedos fueron recibidos cuando la nave ya estaba hundiéndose en angulo, por la popa ,elevándose la proa, si mal no entendí, uno de los posteriores torpedos dio debajo del casco por la inclinación que la nave ya tenía al ir hundiéndose.
También recibió 5 bombas de 500kg y la nave siguió soportando castigo, hasta que una más logro dar daño y minutos mas tarde de algún modo se incendio uno de los cuartos de municiones causando la catastrófica explosión que lo partió a la mitad
El HMS repulse recibió 2 impactos de torpedo para hundirse
El HMS prince of walles recibió 4 impactos de torpedo para hundirse
El USS Utah recibió 2 impactos para hundirse
la mayoría de los acorazados de Pearl harbor con 2 torpedos ya eran hundidos, mas haya de que recibieran multiples torpedeadas.

Por consiguiente aquí el comienzo del editar, el Yamato para soportar en el juego 6 torpedos requiere un numero mayor que 100000
y para soportar 6 bombas de 1000lbs(500kg) aprox 70000.

CountryClassBeltDeckdamage BeltDamage DecktorpedosBomba500kg
JAPYamato410 mm (16 in)230mm1100007000066,363

los otros siguientes a considerar no están confirmados, pero deberían quedar así.
USAIowa310 mm (12.1)190 mm700005500045
GERBismark320 mm (13 in)120mm700005000044,545
BRIKing George V370 mm (14.7 in)152 mm800005000044,545

No tengo datos, para confirmar si el Iowa con mas de 4 torpedos podría mantenerse a flote.Pero sí es sabido que el POV clase King G.V. no soporto mas de 4, de todas formas el tamaño del Iowa es considerablemente superior al POV,pero no con la misma gruesa coraza. Por lo tanto es algo dudoso que habría que seguir investigando.


Cualquier opinión ayuda.
 
[h=4]Protection[edit][/h]
ShipProtection
(tons)
Protection
(%)
Displacement
(tons)
With fuel
(tons)
Fuel
load
Richelieu16,045
16,045
39.2
42.4
(normal) 40,927
(standard) 37,832
2,905
1/2
Dunkerque11,04035.9(normal) 30,7502,8603/4
Strasbourg11,78537.3(normal) 31,5702,8603/4
Iowa18,70041.6(standard) 45,000
Bismarck17,540
17,258
43.92
41.30
(light) 39,931
(standard) 41,781
King George V12,50034.8(standard) 35,000
Littorio13,60036.03(standard) 37,750
On Richelieu, the armor weight was 16,045 tonnes (15,792 long tons) and corresponded to 39.2% of the total weight, for a 40,927 tonnes (40,281 long tons) normal displacement, with 2,905 tonnes (2,859 long tons) of fuel (half of full load).[SUP][95][/SUP] The Dunkerque had 35.9%, the Strasbourg, 37.3%, with a 30,750 tonnes (30,260 long tons) or 31,570 tonnes (31,070 long tons) normal displacement, with 2,860 tonnes (2,815 long tons) of fuel (¾ of full load).[SUP][96][/SUP]
Comparison with other battleships is more intricate. The figures given for Iowa-class battleships are 18,700 tons for armor weight or 41.6% of 45,000 tons standard displacement,[SUP][97][/SUP] which corresponds for the Richelieu to more than 42% of standard displacement. For the Bismarck, the figures are 17,258 tons or 17,540 tons of armor, and from 43.92% to 41.30%, depending on whether the percentage is calculated with 39,931 tons light displacement or 41,781 tons standard displacement.[SUP][53][/SUP][SUP][98][/SUP] All are higher than for earlier battleships (such as the Dunkerque) or those for the King George V-class battleships, 12500 tons and 34.80%[SUP][99][/SUP] or for the Littorio-class battleships with 13,600 tonnes (13,400 long tons) weight of armor and 36% of 37,750 tonnes (37,150 long tons) standard displacement.[SUP][100][/SUP]
[h=5]Armor[edit][/h]Armor thicknesses were:[SUP][101][/SUP]

  • The armored belt, with a slope of 15°24’, was 327 mm (12.9 in) thick between frame 51.50 and frame 182.95 and from 3.38 meters (11.1 ft) above the waterline to 2.50 meters (8.2 ft) under the water line. The forward bulkhead, at frame 182.95, and the after bulkhead, at frame 51.50, extended from the main deck to the 30 mm (1.2 in) thick floor of the artillery magazines, and were 233 mm (9.2 in) thick. The forward bulkhead thickness increased to 355 mm (14.0 in) between the first and second platform decks.
  • The upper armored deck at main deck level was 150 mm (5.9 in) thick above the machinery plant and was increasing to 170 mm (6.7 in) above the main artillery magazines. The lower armored deck was 40 mm (1.6 in) thick and extended to frame 233, improving the protection of the forward part of the ship, left unprotected on the Dunkerque. Abaft the after transverse bulkhead, (at the first platform deck level) was a 100 mm (3.9 in) armored deck with angled sides in the form of a carapace above the shafts, increasing to 150 mm (5.9 in) above the steering gear.
  • On the conning tower, the armor was 340 mm (13 in) thick on the front and sides, 280 mm (11 in) on the rear' and 170 mm (6.7 in) on the roof.
  • The main turrets were protected with 405 mm (15.9 in) thick armor on the barbette, above the upper armored deck, 430 mm (17 in) armor on the faces, inclined to 30°, from 170 mm (6.7 in) to 195 mm (7.7 in) on the roof, 270 mm (11 in) on the turret I rear wall and 260 mm (10 in) on the turret II rear wall. This thickness on the rear walls, less than the Dunkerque or Strasbourg's approximately 345 mm (13.6 in) thickness, was due to the use of a cemented steel on the Richelieu.
  • The 152 mm (6.0 in) gun turrets were less armored than the Dunkerque quadruple 130 mm (5.1 in) turrets, with a 100 mm (3.9 in) thickness on barbettes, 130 mm (5.1 in) on the faces angled at 45°, 70 mm (2.8 in) on sides and roof, and 60 mm (2.4 in) on the rear.
The British King George V-class battleships and HMS Vanguard had a thicker armored belt than the Richelieu (356 mm (14.0 in)), but their turrets were less protected (330 mm (13 in)), and the horizontal armor (152 mm (6.0 in)) was equivalent,[SUP][102][/SUP] but their command spaces were only protected against shrapnel.[SUP][103][/SUP]
The U.S. Navy battleships had an equivalent armored belt (about 335 mm (13.2 in)) to the Richelieu, on the North Carolina and South Dakota classes, and a little less thick (310 mm (12 in)) on the Iowa class. The main artillery turret protection was less thick (406 mm (16.0 in)) on the North Carolina class, thicker (500 mm (20 in)) on the Iowa class, and thicker (457 mm (18.0 in)) on the South Dakota class. The horizontal armor was a little less thick (104 mm (4.1 in)) on the North Carolina class and equivalent (127 mm (5.0 in) to 165 mm (6.5 in)) on the South Dakota and Iowa classes. The conning tower was better protected, with 406 mm (16.0 in) on the North Carolina and South Dakota classes and with 445 mm (17.5 in) on the Iowa class.[SUP][104][/SUP]
The Italian Littorio had a thicker armored belt (350 mm (14 in)) than the Richelieu, but otherwise they were less protected, with 350 mm (14 in) on the main artillery turrets, 260 mm (10 in) on the conning tower, 50 mm (2.0 in) on the upper armored deck and 100 mm (3.9 in) on the main deck.[SUP][105][/SUP] The German Bismarck-class battleships had a thinner armor than the Richelieu on the main artillery turrets (356 mm (14.0 in)), but thicker on the conning tower (356 mm (14.0 in)), and equivalent for the armored belt (320 mm (13 in)) and horizontal armor (80 mm (3.1 in) to 115 mm (4.5 in)).[SUP][51][/SUP]
 
Max,

This is a hugely complex subject, & not easy to model effectively given CFS 2's limitations. There are wide variations in how easily ships even of the same class sank, with similar variances in total damage absorbed prio to sinking. This illustrates a need for both very complex dp modelling & more complex hit point modelling of weapons. In many cases, a single critical hit was the root cause for the loss of a vessel. This is something that the CFS2 damage model does not do well.

Some examples to illustrate:

HMS Prince of Wales: Actually withstood repeated bomb & torpedo hits, but the critical hit took out the power supply to the 5.25" HAA guns. It was this lack of area AA defence that allowed successive waves to line up accurate attacks unmolested. I don't think this can be modelled in CFS 2.

KMK Bismark: Her fate was sealed by having the rudder jammed by torpedo attack, allowing her to be pounded into submission, unable to escape. Again, not something that can be modelled by CFS 2.

It's even more obvious with the smaller vessels - cruisers that are relatively well protected against horizontal gunfire, but poorly protected against plunging shell & bomb hits. This seems easy to model (strong hull boxes, weak deck boxes), until you add a vulnerability to underwater torpedo damage.

One of the best approaches to ship dp files IMHO was the work carried out by Blue Devil. He created a reasonably sophisticated approach to damage modelling that even included underwater shockwave damage from near-misses. Transferring this across to other ships is time-consuming, but not impossible. I strongly recommend you look at some of his work & see if you can't transfer his approach across to the battleship dp files.
 
identification of cfs2 stock destroyer ship

Hi, I do not have the cfs 1 and I do not remember if the cfs2 stock destroyer does in cfs1.

my question is, if it is based in a German destroyer, or a british.

The U-boat for example is a German U-boat Type IXD, I need help with the identificación, because I search and i do not see similar apariance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_World_War_II_destroyers
 
In CFS1 none of the ships are named and it object name is SHDEST (wake model) or SHDEST_NW (no wake model).
 
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