Montoya - Last Of The Kind?

[Panther_99FS]

Will Juan be the last to do full seasons of F1, Indycar, & NASCAR?
I for one hope not!

Right now, if anyone has a shot, I'd say it's Josef Newgarden....Newgarden has always expressed a wish to drive in F1 and that bodes well with Gene Haas' upcoming F1 team...

Danica was in the window along with Michael Andretti and perhaps Jeff Gordon.

 

[Daveroo]

dunt know about all that,but theres a thing on Jayski's this morning..well its many lines down..prolly 3 or 4 days ago..about Larson doing the 500 someday..soon?..

 

[Panther_99FS]

dunt know about all that,but theres a thing on Jayski's this morning..well its many lines down..prolly 3 or 4 days ago..about Larson doing the 500 someday..soon?..

There was also a blurb (not in Jayski) about Logano doing the 500 too. One, the other, or both would be great for the sport and both drivers have owners that could do it!

 

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

Not likely.

Montoya is not the last once F1 is on an honest ethical basis that is not euro-centric which drove toyota and honda out and made it never worthwhile for Nissan. They all saw the writing on the wall. Honda does supply engines to McLaren today though - how they doin Hmmm?

When it is an honest game I think you will see teams interested and that will provide opportunity for drivers. There will be drivers who can and will cross over to different series. Look at Indy and NASCAR - take Kurt Busch - one open wheel race the 2014 Indy 500 finished sixth and Andretti wanted him to drive this year but Kurt wanted to focus on NASCAR - can't blame him. Point is guys who grew up drivin stick shift stock cars can handle paddle shifts (the reverse apparently not so likely) - Indy or I've no doubt F1 - but why bother? Who can blame em.

Lets look at Juan Pablo Montoya

Only 4 years in CART/Indy and had 4 wins in CART - 10 wins in Indy racing and a two time winner of the Indy 500.
6 years in F1 - 7 wins
7 full years (plus a bit) in Cup level NASCAR - 2 wins and never on an oval.

What series based on a pretty small sample size is tougher to win in?

I think Ganassi and Penske will figure out eventually that open wheel drivers are NOT inherently superior to NASCAR drivers and give some more NASCAR drivers a shot at Indy racing. I hope so. F1 opportunities will depend on where the "sport" goes in terms of equity and honesty in terms of opportunity to win - world based or euro based. The teams and drivers will follow - F1's choice.

No Juan Pablo is not the last of a kind unless the powers that control open wheel - of all kinds - make it so. Maybe NASCAR needs to be more open minded but to be honest I don't see NASCAR as that "closed" - there are drivers who started in open wheel - Hmmm 3 time champion Stewart comes to mind.

Sorry if I offend but that is how I see it

-Ed-

PS And I have no problem with the likes of Hamilton or Power trying to drive a stock car or even the baja 1000 like 6 time NASCAR champion Jimmie did. Maybe they can - maybe they can't.

You see I believe racing should be more wide open like it was in the 60s but that ain't how the world is and like in many ways - we can never (apparently) go back.

 

[Panther_99FS]

Hey All,

Not likely.

Montoya is not the last once F1 is on an honest ethical basis that is not euro-centric which drove toyota and honda out and made it never worthwhile for Nissan. They all saw the writing on the wall. Honda does supply engines to McLaren today though - how they doin Hmmm?

When it is an honest game I think you will see teams interested and that will provide opportunity for drivers. There will be drivers who can and will cross over to different series. Look at Indy and NASCAR - take Kurt Busch - one open wheel race the 2014 Indy 500 finished sixth and Andretti wanted him to drive this year but Kurt wanted to focus on NASCAR - can't blame him. Point is guys who grew up drivin stick shift stock cars can handle paddle shifts (the reverse apparently not so likely) - Indy or I've no doubt F1 - but why bother? Who can blame em.

Lets look at Juan Pablo Montoya

Only 4 years in CART/Indy and had 4 wins in CART - 10 wins in Indy racing and a two time winner of the Indy 500.
6 years in F1 - 7 wins
7 full years (plus a bit) in Cup level NASCAR - 2 wins and never on an oval.

What series based on a pretty small sample size is tougher to win in?

I think Ganassi and Penske will figure out eventually that open wheel drivers are NOT inherently superior to NASCAR drivers and give some more NASCAR drivers a shot at Indy racing. I hope so. F1 opportunities will depend on where the "sport" goes in terms of equity and honesty in terms of opportunity to win - world based or euro based. The teams and drivers will follow - F1's choice.

No Juan Pablo is not the last of a kind unless the powers that control open wheel - of all kinds - make it so. Maybe NASCAR needs to be more open minded but to be honest I don't see NASCAR as that "closed" - there are drivers who started in open wheel - Hmmm 3 time champion Stewart comes to mind.

Sorry if I offend but that is how I see it

-Ed-

PS And I have no problem with the likes of Hamilton or Power trying to drive a stock car or even the baja 1000 like 6 time NASCAR champion Jimmie did. Maybe they can - maybe they can't.

You see I believe racing should be more wide open like it was in the 60s but that ain't how the world is and like in many ways - we can never (apparently) go back.

EasyEd,
You need to READ my post. All I stated was:

Will Juan be the last to do full seasons of F1, Indycar, & NASCAR?

Everything else in your above comment is just you trying to piss me off.

 

[EasyEd]

Hey All,

P I have no desire to "piss you off".

In my opinion the reality is not the drivers and their abilities. It is the closed mindedness of the powers that be in every series although I maintain NASCAR is more open than most. I think there are many drivers who could cross series but can't not because of their abilities but because of the politics and old boy clubs that exist in multiple series. I would like to see that change. That clear?

-Ed-

I'll add a bit. here read this...

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...right-us-based-haas-f1-team-doomed-to-failure

Montoya says Haas is doomed to failure. Name one just one - not based in Europe - team who has ever won a constructor championship. Honda and Toyota certainly had the ability but never did I think because they were not part of the inner circle well connected - fully in tune with F1 developments - of tight knit keep it in Europe Euros. Nissan never tried - wise. Eurocentric - I think so. Is F1 truly legitimately based upon the fundamental idea of making F1 truly a world sport - I doubt it. They will take your money but you don't get no cookies. I think once you take your sport global you better make the competition global and give people from other parts of the world a full chance to win and a full say in what goes on - did F1?