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kelticheart

Charter Member
Hi everybody!

This 2015 seems to be dedicated to Regia Aeronautica airplanes for me. The need for new Italian WWII gauges and improved old ones generated a whole new project.

Using as a base Alphasim's old Veltro 2d panel I am developing 2d panels for all Italian close-cockpit fighters, namely M.C. 202 and 205, Fiat G-55, Reggiane Re2001, 2002 and 2005. I am also working on Fiat G-50 and M.C. 200 open cockpit ones, using Morton's beautiful wide 2d reduced to 4:3 for all still using pc monitors with this format. All Italian WWII close-cockpit fighters shared the same type of cockpit canopy, inspired by the Bf109, therefore the same bitmap can be used for all of them.

From Morton's impeccable work I picked up the San Giorgio gunsight and then moved around the gauge layouts according to the historical pictures, taken from these aircraft pilot's manuals.

For the magnetic compass, which was mounted on a stand in front of the panel, I had the idea to use a popup window, controlled by the Concorde set compass icon, which gives the visual effect of the instrument laying in front of the panel.
There are also new, improved historical-looking gauges and a completely new attitude gauge used when this gauge become standard equipment (you can see it below, mounted in the M.C. 202 panel). Up to the M.C. 200, no attitude gauge was included.

Attached below are samples of what I am doing, starting from the M.C.202 with the popup compass switched on, the M.C.205 and G-55, both with the compass off. I have completed the Re2001-2002 and working on the 2005.

This is by no means an attempt to provide 2d panels precise down to the last screw of their WWII real-life counterparts. I am no painter, so I had to use somebody else's paintworks, trying to improve them.
Good 2d panels for Italian fighters are hard to come in CFS2, this Alphasim's creation offers a feature that I like a lot: a good forward visibility. I hate stock MS panels and their likes, covering 2/3 of the screen!

For the sake of realism factor, I don't like landing or taking off in HUD view either. Thus, this ongoing effort to strike the best compromise between history, realism and a flight sim limitations.

The new pack will include updates of my previous uploads.

Cheers!
KH
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Kelti,
Thank you for your excellent and hard work. The panels "look marvelous". I can see some Italian aircraft in the stable very soon.
Cheers,
Bub
 
Kelti! Bravo Bravo.

Congrats very much a part the japanese panel i start make the SM79 and BR20 panels so with yours the italian

most important planes is almost complete.

Really a good works.


Bestregards.
 
In case you are interested...

Hi there, :applause:

Very nice additions... I redid the G55 in base of the line drawing you provided here... Changed the bracing and tableau de vol, etc. to
more closely match the drawing you enclosed. If you are interested... it is available...

To wit:
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G.
 
Hi there,

Very nice additions... I redid the G55 in base of the line drawing you provided here... Changed the bracing and tableau de vol, etc. to
more closely match the drawing you enclosed. If you are interested... it is available...

Gaucho,

your work is indeed beautiful. :applause:

I did not use only the drawing for the G-55. The two attached b/w WWII shots, I found on Google pictures, show my gauge layout a little better. Evidently, the pilot's manual drawing belongs to the project stage of the G-55. During production runs instruments were arranged slightly different.
The left and right side pictures show how the G-55 cockpit was organised. It looked almost like the French Dewoitine, with the two side sections angled and two big oil and coolant temp gauges laying one on top of the other one, placed on the right section.

The entire cockpit switched to the left, giving the illusion of a gunsight offset to the right, is a nice touch. Alphasim designers choose to draw it centred, while all Italian closed-cockpit 2d panels should be like this. Paul Rebuffat's Bf109 series 2d panels, have the same nice touch, Bruno Duffort and Philippe Méhard drew them.
I always wondered how Italian and Luftwaffe fighter pilots' aim could be precise, having to lean to their right side to fire at the opponents....

Why don't you upload your G-55 panel?

UPDATE:

Using Morton's wide panel for his last December Macchi C.200 skin pack upload, I developed a 1024x768 4:3 2d panel for both the M.C. 200 and the Fiat G-50. Morton's instrument layout belongs to the G-50 rather than the M.C.200, but I moved around the gauge frames and now it looks closely to the real one, while in the G-50 I only had to remove the lateral open cockpit frame bars to get a good Freccia 2d panel.

Morton's 2d texture follows my line of preference as well, in terms of taking the minimum possible room away from the pilot's forward view. We should all remember WWII pilot seats were height-adjustable and pilots used to raise/lower theirs according to individual preferences.

I have been working around this 'raised seat' concept since my first 2d panel tweak attempts. A tall reflector sight texture, coupled with a low instrument panel behind, allows dramatic improvements in forward view during landings, where the stock 2d panel MS approach obscure runway view entirely, unless adopting dive bomber diving angles during finals, which often result into :pop4: landings, particularly on carrier decks.....

Tomorrow I'll post pictures of my latest efforts and I'll send an e-mail to Morton asking him permission to re-upload his modified M.C.200/Fiat G-50 texture.

Cheers!
KH
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Great picture resources...

One reason why I seldom upload is because there is always something to add on or
sometimes, like in this case, a need for a totally new approach....
With these two pictures I can do a much better attempt... more 3D like perspective... etc.

Thanks for the info...:wavey::applause:

G.
 
For Kelti and Gaucho, thanks a lot for your effert.

This is a real panel of Mc.202 that has been restoration with original color and insrtuments, it will be usefull to you.

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Good job.

Best regards.
 

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Update

For Kelti and Gaucho, thanks a lot for your effert.

This is a real panel of Mc.202 that has been restoration with original color and insrtuments, it will be usefull to you.

Good job.

Best regards.

Stockplane....:jawdrop:

where on earth did you find this picture? It is splendid but now... :dejection: I see that I was close but no cigar. Especially with the attitude gauge, since the one I reworked does not work the way it's pictured here. It's the first time I see one so well detailed!
Here the horizon line is fixed and the plane shape reproduces the aircraft movements. Mine works the opposite way, fixed plane shape and mobile horizon.

The gauges in the upper part of my panel are all correct, the lower sides can only be simulated in CFS2 as I did, but I have to do the attitude once more and stop Manuele Villa/Peperez from uploading their conversion of F.Giuli's S.M.82 Marsupiale (Cangaroo)!!! Manuele is using this attitude gauge that I have to modify!

Gaucho, I hear what you say about uploading. In fact, now I have to do a new attitude gauge. Fortunately, I hadn't uploaded anything yet. Great care has to be taken before uploading incorrect stuff, sometimes some overlook slips by the strictest controls.

Attached below the 2d panels of, left to right:


  1. Fiat G-50 without popup compass,
  2. Fiat G-50 with popup compass,
  3. Fiat G-50 panel WWII picture (as comparison),
  4. Macchi C.200,
  5. M.C. 200 WWII left panel picture (as comparison),
  6. M.C. 200 WWII right panel picture (as comparison).

Both 2d 4:3 panels obtained by cutting a 1024x768 section of Morton's M.C. 200 wide panel. With different windshield frame shapes.

I will upload them as soon as I rework the attitude gauge and do VC entries for:


  • IS4G/Corrado La Posta (FS9)/William Dickens' Fiat G-50;
  • IS4G/Quai-D'Attomo (FS9)'s Macchi C.200,
  • IS4G/Corrado La Posta (FS9)'s Macchi C.202,
  • IS4G/Corrado La Posta (FS9)/MVGrd's Macchi C.205.

Then I'll move on to bombers. The last picture attached is my version for the S.M.79 Sparviero (bitmap by Kerry Livgren).

Have a nice weekend!:wavey:

Cheers!
KH
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Also the SM.79 sound beautifull!

Here two images of it, i don't remember were i find them but sure over internet.

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Best regards.
 

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Bad news.....

I am sorry to report that, after going berserk over the weekend to find an attitude gauge which would work like the O.M.I.-Cerini pictured in the M.C. 202 restored panel, posted above by Stockplane, I had to give up. :sorrow:

Unless I missed some obscure addon that has it, all of the attitude gauges I have in my archives, covering over 13 years of addon downloads, work in the opposite way as this one.

The standard attitude gauge, of any nationality, has a fixed aircraft-shape up front with a mobile horizon line behind, keeping the horizon orientation following our plane movements in the air.
The O.M.I.-Cerini, a very common attitude gauge in Regia Aeronautica fleet, works exactly in the opposite way. It has a fixed horizon line up front in the middle, with a mobile aircraft shape behind.

When I took any of the attitude gauges I have in my collection and changed the bitmaps to make it look like the Italian counterpart, I obtained an attitude which places the plane over the horizon when I dive and under the horizon when I climb.
Exactly the opposite of what it should be.....:banghead:

I anyone here has an attitude gauge that works like the O.M.I.-Cerini, that I can take and camouflage to get the Italian counterpart, please post it here.

If not, I'll just upload it 'as is', blaming the incorrect historical behaviour on yet another CFS2 limitation. The one I did works correctly as an attitude gauge, looks like the O.M.I.-Cerini but does not work like it.

Cheers!
KH
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Kelti! I think it is not a great problem, is possible that who had make the restoration had used a mod. instruments or more modern. Aniway your projects are really good and more usefull!

If i find a similar gauge i sent it to you.

I am preparing cockpit for Ba.88 and Ba.65 but for Ba.88 i have only two photos really bad not clear, there is the possibility post some detail for the Ba.88 cockpit ( also only the disposition and the names of the instrumrents ).

The bmp is almost complete but for the instruments i have serious dubs, for the moment.

Thanks for all.

Cheers.
 
......I am preparing cockpit for Ba.88 and Ba.65 but for Ba.88 i have only two photos really bad not clear, there is the possibility post some detail for the Ba.88 cockpit ( also only the disposition and the names of the instrumrents ).....
Cheers.

Hi Stockplane,
Directly from "Breda 88 1939 MM3962-4042 4594-4617 4246-4264 5286-5509 - Manuale Istruzioni (CA508)" :

88_1.jpg 88_2.jpg

88_3.jpg 88_4.JPG
 
And these :

Always from "Breda 88 1939 MM3962-4042 4594-4617 4246-4264 5286-5509 - Manuale Istruzioni (CA508)" :

88_5.JPG 88_6.jpg

From "Breda 88 1939 MM3962-4042-4246 4264-4594-4617-5486-5509 - Catalogo Nomenclatore (CA500)"

88_7.jpg

I have also the Ba.65 K14 & A.80 manuals, but all the images are almost unusable....

This pic is from "Breda 65 1939 (Fiat A80RC41) MM75163-75281 - Catalogo Nomenclatore (CA426)"

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Otherwise You can download my Ba.65 A.80 for FS9 and use a VC view as base....
 
Thanks a lot, really usefull!

In the next day i probably upload these panels, if you and your group want you can for them make a more appropiate background bmp.

I am not a great painter.

Thanks again.


Cheers
 
Dear mvg3d , i have a problem. THe images are too little i have download them but is impossible read

the datas.

Please re post if possible.

Best regards.
 
Dear mvg3d , i have a problem. THe images are too little i have download them but is impossible read

the datas.

Please re post if possible.

Best regards.

Hi Stockplane,
Have You clicked on the thumbnails ? If not do it and, when You'll see a bigger pic, right click and save the pic as You want, ALL the pics are perfectly readable....
A question : are You Italian ?

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Ah, la citta' dei grandi vialoni...!

Oh yes i have directly download the images without open them before. Thanks.

Yes i am italian of Turin.

Cheers

Welcome... Ci sono stato parecchie volte a Torino quando viaggiavo spesso in Germania... sono figlio adottivo del Veneto...
ma adesso sono diventato un Desert Rat in California a Palm Springs... ho ancora una casa a Vicenza...
Ecco un WIP del panello su di cui sto lavorando...

Still a WIP... will be available as usual...


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G.
 
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